Steve Coburn

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world class piece of shit. not sure why they keep giving this tool a microphone. he is so far out of touch with reality.

just saw his interview with Good Morning America where he compared his horse losing to Tonalist in the Belmont with playing basketball against kids in wheelchairs.
 

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This guy is so off base it's unbelievable. While I do not agree at all with any proposal to change the Triple Crown format, I get why a very casual follower could see it as unfair. But Coburn should know better, and have more respect for the business than this.
 

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This guy is so off base it's unbelievable. While I do not agree at all with any proposal to change the Triple Crown format, I get why a very casual follower could see it as unfair. But Coburn should know better, and have more respect for the business than this.


exactly. the casual fan or follower who has no real idea how the industry and racing works will think hey this guy has a great point. but he couldnt be any further removed from reality. Coburn himself doesnt even fully understand how things work, clearly.
 

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no complaints from him before the Preakness where the majority of the field didnt race in the Derby. no complaining before the Belmont either.

the most ridiculous thing is that this is even being debated now.
 

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no complaints from him before the Preakness where the majority of the field didnt race in the Derby. no complaining before the Belmont either.

the most ridiculous thing is that this is even being debated now.

Said the same thing - he had no issue that so many horses skipped the Preakness and made the path easier.

I could argue the current system is allowing some good but not great horses get to the Belmont with a shot. They win the Detby then beat a watered down Preakness field.
 

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Said the same thing - he had no issue that so many horses skipped the Preakness and made the path easier.

I could argue the current system is allowing some good but not great horses get to the Belmont with a shot. They win the Detby then beat a watered down Preakness field.


he also fails to realise that Medal Count, who ran in the Derby, and arguably had a tougher racing schedule, still finished ahead of him yesterday.

the whole thing is just completely absurd. Tonalist was and is a top 3 year old. he was set to race in the Wood Memorial to earn points for the Derby but had a lung infection. Clemente, who is one of the best and classiest trainers around, took that in stride and set a new goal. He aimed for the Belmont by prepping in the Peter Pan, which is before the Preakness. So the allegation that the Tonalist connections "cheated" is one of the most asinine things i've ever heard.
 

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Help me understand this, because I know zero about Horse Racing.

Have there always been horses that just train for the Belmont and don't run the other 2 legs? (That does seem to make a Triple crown really unlikely) If it has always been this way then he just seems like a sore loser to me, but if it is a newer trend then count me in as the ignorant guy that sees his point.
 

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Help me understand this, because I know zero about Horse Racing.

Have there always been horses that just train for the Belmont and don't run the other 2 legs? (That does seem to make a Triple crown really unlikely) If it has always been this way then he just seems like a sore loser to me, but if it is a newer trend then count me in as the ignorant guy that sees his point.


You train your horse based on its capabilities. Going a mile and a half in the Belmont is something a lot of horses will only do once. That is a very long distance and uncommon, especially on dirt.

The Triple Crown is not a league or any sort of playoffs. It is just 3 races. They are the top races each year restricted to 3 year olds.

You can nominate your horse for any triple crown race prior to the year starting. You can do so later but have to pay a heftier fee.

Paying this fee now makes you eligible to take part in any of the Triple Crown races.

Some trainers will specifically target the Belmont, certainly. It all comes down to the horse. If you have a horse with superior breeding that suggest it would relish the long distance, then you would definitely aim for the Belmont if you don't for whatever reason make the Derby.

A newer trend in the last few years is skipping the Preakness if you ran in the Derby and then aiming for the Belmont.

This is by no way cheating or any sort of bush league tactic. This is actually owners and trainers taking great care of their horses. Horses aren't machines and they need rest especially when putting up big efforts. Too often are horses pushed beyond their limits and end up breaking down on the track. All because the owners just had to enter that stakes race to try and earn another check.


Perfect example is 2 horses in the Triple Crown races this year. In the Preakness, a filly named Ria Antonia ran and ran horribly. This horse had no business being in the race and actually wound up costing the 4th place finisher a shot at 2nd, maybe even 1st. The filly ran in the Kentucky Oaks the day before the Derby and was beaten easily. The owner then wanted to run this horse back in the Preakness 2 weeks later which is asking A LOT, especially for a filly. Again, if you don't really follow racing you wouldn't understand how much that is asking because fillys tend to take longer to recover between races. A run back in 2 weeks or less is asking a lot of any horse really, and is very uncommon. You will see this more with horses that dont use Lasix.


Another example is a horse that ran yesterday, Ride On Curlin. this horse had a big effort in the Derby and the Preakness. Asking it to run again at a mile and a half was not in the cards at all. You could tell this horse had no interest at all in the post parade and he didnt run a lick. He was pulled up and beaten 85 lengths. Yesterday was its 7th race this year already and all the running finally took a toll on him. There was no reason to run him in the Belmont yesterday. Very poor caring and management of a very good horse, IMO.


If you dont get into the Derby you will aim for the Preakness or the Belmont if you think your horse has what it takes. There are plenty of horses every single year who run in the Derby who show soon after that they just do not belong at the top level. An example here is the Sunland Derby. The Sunland Derby is a prep race for the Kentucky Derby that awards points. Winning this race usually assures you a spot in the Kentucky Derby starting gate. This is historically a very weak race and the winners over the years are not at all up to par with the best of the best in the 3 year old crop.

The whole idea of the Triple Crown is proving you are the best by beating all competition in the 3 most grueling races a 3 year old can face. Is it easy? Hell no it isnt easy and it isnt meant to be easy. There have been numerous close calls in the last few years and it isnt at all impossible, just extremely difficult. If what Colburn suggested happened you would see a 4 or 5 horse Belmont field every single year. If that. Is that what we want?


It is absolutely fine the way it is. There have been plenty of near misses a lot closer than Chrome yesterday. We will see one eventually and it will have been earned.





NYRA also changed a rule specifically for this horse so he would be eligible to run. They removed the ban on nasal strips, which is entirely BS, but I wont get into that, just to give this horse a shot at the Triple Crown.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Coburn's next comment on this matter was a drive to change the Belmont to a 6 furlong sprint or change it from the triple crown to the double crown (which by the by for some reason reminds me of Roll Tide).

Reminds me of an old saying my dear departed, granddaddie made up a few decades back, "If it were easy, everybody would do it". Well maybe he didn't make it up but allow me to embellish.

Eddie
 

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You train your horse based on its capabilities. Going a mile and a half in the Belmont is something a lot of horses will only do once. That is a very long distance and uncommon, especially on dirt.

The Triple Crown is not a league or any sort of playoffs. It is just 3 races. They are the top races each year restricted to 3 year olds.

You can nominate your horse for any triple crown race prior to the year starting. You can do so later but have to pay a heftier fee.

Paying this fee now makes you eligible to take part in any of the Triple Crown races.

Some trainers will specifically target the Belmont, certainly. It all comes down to the horse. If you have a horse with superior breeding that suggest it would relish the long distance, then you would definitely aim for the Belmont if you don't for whatever reason make the Derby.

A newer trend in the last few years is skipping the Preakness if you ran in the Derby and then aiming for the Belmont.

This is by no way cheating or any sort of bush league tactic. This is actually owners and trainers taking great care of their horses. Horses aren't machines and they need rest especially when putting up big efforts. Too often are horses pushed beyond their limits and end up breaking down on the track. All because the owners just had to enter that stakes race to try and earn another check.


Perfect example is 2 horses in the Triple Crown races this year. In the Preakness, a filly named Ria Antonia ran and ran horribly. This horse had no business being in the race and actually wound up costing the 4th place finisher a shot at 2nd, maybe even 1st. The filly ran in the Kentucky Oaks the day before the Derby and was beaten easily. The owner then wanted to run this horse back in the Preakness 2 weeks later which is asking A LOT, especially for a filly. Again, if you don't really follow racing you wouldn't understand how much that is asking because fillys tend to take longer to recover between races. A run back in 2 weeks or less is asking a lot of any horse really, and is very uncommon. You will see this more with horses that dont use Lasix.


Another example is a horse that ran yesterday, Ride On Curlin. this horse had a big effort in the Derby and the Preakness. Asking it to run again at a mile and a half was not in the cards at all. You could tell this horse had no interest at all in the post parade and he didnt run a lick. He was pulled up and beaten 85 lengths. Yesterday was its 7th race this year already and all the running finally took a toll on him. There was no reason to run him in the Belmont yesterday. Very poor caring and management of a very good horse, IMO.


If you dont get into the Derby you will aim for the Preakness or the Belmont if you think your horse has what it takes. There are plenty of horses every single year who run in the Derby who show soon after that they just do not belong at the top level. An example here is the Sunland Derby. The Sunland Derby is a prep race for the Kentucky Derby that awards points. Winning this race usually assures you a spot in the Kentucky Derby starting gate. This is historically a very weak race and the winners over the years are not at all up to par with the best of the best in the 3 year old crop.

The whole idea of the Triple Crown is proving you are the best by beating all competition in the 3 most grueling races a 3 year old can face. Is it easy? Hell no it isnt easy and it isnt meant to be easy. There have been numerous close calls in the last few years and it isnt at all impossible, just extremely difficult. If what Colburn suggested happened you would see a 4 or 5 horse Belmont field every single year. If that. Is that what we want?


It is absolutely fine the way it is. There have been plenty of near misses a lot closer than Chrome yesterday. We will see one eventually and it will have been earned.





NYRA also changed a rule specifically for this horse so he would be eligible to run. They removed the ban on nasal strips, which is entirely BS, but I wont get into that, just to give this horse a shot at the Triple Crown.


Learned a lot, thanks. Like I said, unless this is a new trend then he just sounds like a sore loser. Really wasn't looking at it like winning the grand slam in golf, but now they seem a lot alike.
 

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its all about the money, and it always is


stud service for a Triple Crown winner horse makes him maybe 100 million


the greedy fuck
 
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