StevieD: Iraq War hindered Katrina response!!

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STEVIE D QUOTE ---- (I'm not making this up)

"Katrina has proved that this admin has made our defense weaker while fighting that no need war in Iraq and breeding more terrorists."

StevieD.....please elaborate and be specific......if this is true then please share with us what you know.

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I dunno, maybe you want to argue with the General?


General: Guard Deployment in Iraq Hurt Katrina Response
By Robert Burns
The Associated Press

Friday 09 September 2005

Bay St. Louis, MS - The deployment of thousands of National Guard troops from Mississippi and Louisiana in Iraq when Hurricane Katrina struck hindered those states' initial storm response, military and civilian officials said Friday.

Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, said that "arguably" a day or so of response time was lost due to the absence of the Mississippi National Guard's 155th Brigade Combat Team and Louisiana's 256th Infantry Brigade, each with thousands of troops in Iraq.

"Had that brigade been at home and not in Iraq, their expertise and capabilities could have been brought to bear," said Blum.

Blum said that to replace those units' command and control equipment, he dispatched personnel from Guard division headquarters from Kansas and Minnesota shortly after the storm struck.

Rep. Gene Taylor, D-Miss., whose waterfront home here was washed away in the storm, told reporters that the absence of the deployed Mississippi Guard units made it harder for local officials to coordinate their initial response.

"What you lost was a lot of local knowledge," Taylor said, as well as equipment that could have been used in recovery operations.

"The best equipment went with them, for obvious reasons," especially communications equipment, he added.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said this week that the Pentagon has the ability to cope with both Katrina and the Iraq war: "We can and will do both."

Asked on Tuesday about critics who said the commitment of large numbers of troops to the Iraq conflict hindered the military's response to Hurricane Katrina, Rumsfeld said, "Anyone who's saying that doesn't understand the situation."

Blum said that overall, the Iraq mission for Guard units across the nation is not limiting the military's ability to expand and continue the rescue and recovery operations in storm-battered states.

"Iraq and other overseas commitments do not inhibit our ability to sustain this effort here at home," Blum said in an interview with three reporters who flew here with him from Washington on Friday.

Blum and Taylor toured the heavily damaged areas around Bay St. Louis. They also met with Guardsmen and other troops who are helping clean up and provide emergency assistance to those displaced by the wall of water that wiped out many homes and flooded a widespread area miles north of the coastline.

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Lt. Gen. Steven Blum, chief of the National Guard Bureau, said that "arguably" a day or so of response time was lost due to the absence of the Mississippi National Guard's 155th Brigade Combat Team and Louisiana's 256th Infantry Brigade, each with thousands of troops in Iraq.

Of course this assumes that the Governor of the state of Louisiana would have called on the guard in a speedy manner. And we all know that didn't happen.
 

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She declared it a national disaster before the storm even hit! Stop making up facts between your tears.
 

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If she knew BEFORE the storm hit that it would be a disaster, why didn't she IMMEDIATELY implement a plan to evacuate people? Why didn't she dispatch the hundreds of school buses and other methods of transportation she had at her fingertips to evacuate people? Why didn't she call out the state's national guard? I guess that is Bush's fault too.
 

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No it is not Bush's fault why people didn't get out. I don't think anyone blamed him for that. We are blaming him, and he is accepting, the blame for the slow reaction of the feds. Understand?
 

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i was helping one of my children cross the street while back at the house
anotherone spilled a glass of milk in the kitchen. Guess that was my fault
I take responsibility for that.

In general, state and local governments do not want to be told what to do by the federal governments, right? except if something BAD happens. then it's all the federal government's fault. The Mayor says he issued marshall law. how could he????
Why not issue a state of emergency? tsk tsk. way to run your peeps. Wasnt the red cross also turned away initially, too?

Warning: a major hurricane will be hitting the New Orleans area

People that stayed that COULD leave: f you, IM staying!!!

Warning: ok, whatever.

Katrina: splat!

People (not all) that stayed the COULD have left: this is all bushes fault. not mine.

im in earthquake country, i sure wish we'd get warnings. i'd do crazy shit like....tee hee...HEED THEM.

:scared ALERT! ALERT! STEVIE D POSTED WITHOUT LAUNCHING A PERSONAL ATTACK. :scared
 

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Spabs, I am beginning to think you really don't have a clue do you? Who blamed Bush for the hurricane?
 

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Babs, What does any of that have to do with the slow response by the feds? Diud the locals blow it, of course they did but the feds did too. At least that is what your boy says. Your boy Bush, not Manson. He seems to agree with you on everything. Are you guys sisters?
 

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no, however, we seem to be a minority as far as political presence in this forum now, dont we? and if we are indeed, neocons, shouldnt we share the same credos and ideologies? knit that blanket darling! as far as your question (i have referred you back to my immediate previous posts with you five times in one calendar day!) how did the feds blow it? how would you deal with the largest evacuation in american history????? HMM? you see bush "taking the blame" If you were president would it not be good to take the "buck-stops-here stance? hmm?
 

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Bush covered for the incompetent mayor. The official New Orleans evacuation plan called for LOCAL OFFICIALS to use public and school buses to evacuate the city. The mayor FAILED. Those buses were left there, and so were the citizens. That started the dominoes falling. Bush took the blame because nobody had the balls enough to do it. I commend him. If a team has a shitty week then the coach mans up and takes responsibility. Cmon use your head. Why are you so obsessed with the Feds?? Jesus Christ you hate the governement so much but then you want them to solve everything for you. You don't make much sense Miss Sheehan.

Only 13% of Americans blamed Bush....the angry loony left....obviously you are one of them.
 

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Iraq war delayed Katrina relief effort, inquiry finds

By Kim Sengupta

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article316682.ece
Published: 03 October 2005

Relief efforts to combat Hurricane Katrina suffered near catastrophic
failures due to endemic corruption, divisions within the military and
troop shortages caused by the Iraq war, an official American inquiry
into the disaster has revealed.


The confidential report, which has been seen by The Independent,
details how funds for flood control were diverted to other projects,
desperately needed National Guards were stuck in Iraq and how military
personnel had to "sneak off post" to help with relief efforts because
their commander had refused permission.


The shortcomings in dealing with Katrina have rocked George Bush's
administration. Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, has resigned from his post and polls show that a
majority of Americans feel the President showed inadequate leadership.


The report was commissioned by the Office of Secretary of Defence as
an "independent and critical review" of what went so wrong. In a
hard-hitting analysis, it says: "The US military has long planned for
war on two fronts. This is as close as we have come to [that] reality
since the Second World War; the results have been disastrous."


The document was compiled by Stephen Henthorne, a former professor of
the US Army's War College and an adviser to the Pentagon who was a
deputy-director in the Louisiana relief efforts.


It charts how "corruption and mismanagement within the New Orleans
city government" had "diverted money earmarked for improving flood
protection to other, more vote-getting, projects. Past mayors and
governors gambled that the long-expected Big Killer hurricane would
never happen. That bet was lost with Hurricane Katrina."


The report concludes that although the US military did a good job in
carrying out emergency missions, there were some serious shortcomings.


The report states that Brigadier General Michael D Barbero, commander
of the Joint Readiness Training Centre at Fort Polk, Louisiana,
refused permission for special forces units who volunteered to join
relief efforts, to do so. General Barbero also refused to release
other troops.


"The same general did take in some families from Hurricane Katrina,
but only military families living off the base," the report says. "He
has done a similar thing for military families displaced by Hurricane
Rita. However, he declined to share water with the citizens of
Leesville, who are out of water, and his civil affairs staff have to
sneak off post in civilian clothes to help coordinate relief efforts."
The report says deployment in the Iraq war led to serious problems.
"Another major factor in the delayed response to the hurricane
aftermath was that the bulk of the Louisiana and Mississippi National
Guard was deployed in Iraq.


"Even though all the states have 'compacts' with each other, pledging
to come to the aid of other states, it takes time, money and effort to
activate and deploy National Guard troops from other states to fill
in".


Mr Henthorne's report states: "The President has indicated several
times that he wants the US military to take a more active role in
disaster management and humanitarian assistance.


"There are several reasons why that will not happen easily. (1)
Existing laws will not allow the police powers the military will need
to be effective. (2) The military is not trained for such a mission
and (3) the 'warfighter insurgency' within the US military does not
want such a mission and will strongly resist it. Not one civil affairs
unit was deployed for either hurricane."


The report concludes: "The one thing this disaster has demonstrated
[is] the lack of coordinated, in-depth planning and training on all
levels of Government, for any/all types of emergency contingencies.
9/11 was an exception because the geographical area was small and
contained, but these two hurricanes have clearly demonstrated a
national response weakness ... Failure to plan, and train properly has
plagued US efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq and now that failure has come
home to roost in the United States."


Relief efforts to combat Hurricane Katrina suffered near catastrophic
failures due to endemic corruption, divisions within the military and
troop shortages caused by the Iraq war, an official American inquiry
into the disaster has revealed.


The confidential report, which has been seen by The Independent,
details how funds for flood control were diverted to other projects,
desperately needed National Guards were stuck in Iraq and how military
personnel had to "sneak off post" to help with relief efforts because
their commander had refused permission.


The shortcomings in dealing with Katrina have rocked George Bush's
administration. Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, has resigned from his post and polls show that a
majority of Americans feel the President showed inadequate leadership.


The report was commissioned by the Office of Secretary of Defence as
an "independent and critical review" of what went so wrong. In a
hard-hitting analysis, it says: "The US military has long planned for
war on two fronts. This is as close as we have come to [that] reality
since the Second World War; the results have been disastrous."


The document was compiled by Stephen Henthorne, a former professor of
the US Army's War College and an adviser to the Pentagon who was a
deputy-director in the Louisiana relief efforts.


It charts how "corruption and mismanagement within the New Orleans
city government" had "diverted money earmarked for improving flood
protection to other, more vote-getting, projects. Past mayors and
governors gambled that the long-expected Big Killer hurricane would
never happen. That bet was lost with Hurricane Katrina."


The report concludes that although the US military did a good job in
carrying out emergency missions, there were some serious shortcomings.


The report states that Brigadier General Michael D Barbero, commander
of the Joint Readiness Training Centre at Fort Polk, Louisiana,
refused permission for special forces units who volunteered to join
relief efforts, to do so. General Barbero also refused to release
other troops.


"The same general did take in some families from Hurricane Katrina,
but only military families living off the base," the report says. "He
has done a similar thing for military families displaced by Hurricane
Rita. However, he declined to share water with the citizens of
Leesville, who are out of water, and his civil affairs staff have to
sneak off post in civilian clothes to help coordinate relief efforts."
The report says deployment in the Iraq war led to serious problems.
"Another major factor in the delayed response to the hurricane
aftermath was that the bulk of the Louisiana and Mississippi National
Guard was deployed in Iraq.


"Even though all the states have 'compacts' with each other, pledging
to come to the aid of other states, it takes time, money and effort to
activate and deploy National Guard troops from other states to fill
in".


Mr Henthorne's report states: "The President has indicated several
times that he wants the US military to take a more active role in
disaster management and humanitarian assistance.


"There are several reasons why that will not happen easily. (1)
Existing laws will not allow the police powers the military will need
to be effective. (2) The military is not trained for such a mission
and (3) the 'warfighter insurgency' within the US military does not
want such a mission and will strongly resist it. Not one civil affairs
unit was deployed for either hurricane."


The report concludes: "The one thing this disaster has demonstrated
[is] the lack of coordinated, in-depth planning and training on all
levels of Government, for any/all types of emergency contingencies.
9/11 was an exception because the geographical area was small and
contained, but these two hurricanes have clearly demonstrated a
national response weakness ... Failure to plan, and train properly has
plagued US efforts in Afghanistan, Iraq and now that failure has come
home to roost in the United States."
 

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Steve I think more folks blame him for the Brown appointment. And after the storm hit he just went out to Calf and spent day yakking about S/S. I do wish this administration would stop with everything goes wrong because of 9/11 and Iraq war. Fact is all he did was a tax cut that didn't help everyone that much. And he had no way to pay for it. Other then that he has done what. One thing they did show. They learned nothing about being prepared to move fast after practicing for 4 years. And I guess he has never found a bill he does not like to sign. He just keeps charging the bill to all of us. I guess 9/11 made him stupid to?
 

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Really your stupidity is hindering your life ! you best get that striaght before you worry about babble like this .
 

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StevieD said:
She declared it a national disaster before the storm even hit! Stop making up facts between your tears.

Get your head out of your ass !!!! God are you dumb !!! A Gov cannot declare a National Disaster !!!!!!!!!! how stupid can ya get !!! It was Bush that declared that area a National disaster 2 days before the storm I watched him do it , and it was the stupid ass democrat Gov that didnt act on the door that Bush opened for her when he declared the area a Disaster before it even hit . really Moron moveon.org is not news !!!!!!! :cursin:
 

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Well if Bush did that as he did two days before storm hit. Where were the feds and Brownie for two/three days after storm hit. Not just N OR but Mississippi was asking same ???
 

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All you guys on the left do is bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch. Never offering a fvcking solution!!
 

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These guys are so stupid. All they can do is call names.When you prove them wrong they cry all you do is complain. Stupid ass losers. What is your solution Lux? Stay the course?
 
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