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An even easier one to understand. Hopefully you can figure it out by the first paragraph.

Here is a simple question for you: do wet streets cause rain? Or does rain cause wet streets? Everyone knows that rain causes wet streets and not the other way around. Yet, relating that same example to inflation, do rising prices cause inflation? If the price of oil goes up this month, does that cause inflation? If the price of insurance, or health care, or college tuition goes up, does that cause inflation? Do wet streets cause rain?

Unfortunately, the established media present inflation statistics in such a way that suggests that rising prices do indeed cause inflation. Consumers are led to believe that if the price of oil goes up on international markets, it will create a domino effect across our economy causing the prices of many other things to rise, and thus causing inflation to rise. That is pure folly. Wet streets do not cause rain, nor do rising prices cause inflation. Wet streets and rising prices are both symptoms, but not the source of the cause. Let me explain.

In our economy, there is a finite amount of "money". The definition of money nowadays is more than a little confusing. Even Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, testified before Congress that it is hard to understand and define what money actually is. The Federal reserve has some definitions. M1 includes just cash, or currency. M2 includes cash, plus cash equivalents, such as deposits in checking accounts that can be readily spent. M3 includes even more, but the Federal Reserve as of March this year stopped publishing M# statistics. Regardless of what definition of money that you use, there is a fixed amount of it in use in our economy.

The basic cause of inflation, at its very root, is the dilution in the value of money. When the value of money goes down, it has the effect of making prices of everything go up. However, prices going up is not inflation itself, but rather the result of true inflation: the dilution in the value of money. If the value of money wasn't diluted in the first place, prices would not respond by going up. Our economic system is very complex, involving literally trillions of individual transactions every year. But the basic principle of inflation is quite simple. When excess money is put into our economy, it dilutes the value of the existing money, and thus we have inflation.

Think of our economy as one big auction. Lots of things for sale, and lots of buyers actually purchasing those things. To keep our example understandable, we'll use round numbers. If there are one million items for sale in our auction, and one million buyers, each with one dollar to spend, the average price per item will be one dollar, assuming everything sells. If an outside source gives each buyer another dollar (thus doubling the total amount of money in the auction) without an increase in the amount of items available to purchase, then the average price per item would be two dollars. The more money that is introduced into this auction, the more prices will go up. Assume that several buyers were allowed to photocopy currency, and could use this to purchase items in the auction. If these people could use the photocopy machine without limit, isn't it easy to see how prices in the auction would rise in the same fashion as a result of all this "money" competing for the same items? By introducing more "money" into the system, the value of existing "money" gets diluted. That is how inflation works.

Now, the population of this country grows each year by about 1.7%. Realistically, there should be 1.7% more cars, houses, offices, etc. If the money supply increases by 1.7%, it would offset the increase in tangibles, and prices would neither fall nor rise, but remain stable. However, if the supply of money increases by 11.7%, there would be an extra 10% that would dilute the value of the existing money that is already in the system. That would be the source of inflation.

History teaches us that governments and other "powers that be" cannot resist the temptation to print paper money recklessly for their own self-interests. Realistically, the temptation is just too great. If you could photocopy money without penalty of law and jail, wouldn't you? If the only penalty of doing so was that it dilutes the value of everybody else's money, how could you resist? Want a fancy sports car? Just go the the photocopy machine. Want a new waterfront estate? Another trip to the photocopier.....
 

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Thursday the price of oil goes up over $5, and the market stays flat. The good mews in the financial sector made up for the "spike" in oil that day.

Today the price of oil rose by a whole $.52, yet the DJIA dropped more then 240 points due to bad news in the financial sector.

So by using your logic would there not be a better correlation between the financials, and the DJIA? :shrug:

It's like talking to a wall aint it?

But, I've found the flaw in his logic - why he keeps harping on this and thinking he's right. it's a simple mistake that a lot of people make.

StevieD's view:

If A occurs, then B happens.

thus -
If B happened - it had to have been caused by A


Unfortunately, that is not true. I believe the term is "correlation does not imply causation".
Example:

The conventional dictum that "correlation does not imply causation" means that correlation cannot be validly used to infer a causal relationship between the variables. This dictum should not be taken to mean that correlations cannot indicate causal relations. However, the causes underlying the correlation, if any, may be indirect and unknown. Consequently, establishing a correlation between two variables is not a sufficient condition to establish a causal relationship (in either direction).

Here is a simple example: hot weather may cause both a reduction in purchases of warm clothing and an increase in ice-cream purchases. Therefore warm clothing purchases are correlated with ice-cream purchases. But a reduction in warm clothing purchases does not cause ice-cream purchases and ice-cream purchases do not cause a reduction in warm clothing purchases.

A correlation between age and height in children is fairly causally transparent, but a correlation between mood and health in people is less so. Does improved mood lead to improved health; or does good health lead to good mood; or both? Or does some other factor underlie both? Or is it pure coincidence? In other words, a correlation can be taken as evidence for a possible causal relationship, but cannot indicate what the causal relationship, if any, might be.
 

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Dawgball, I thank you for your civil response. I never intended to say that oil was the only driving force behind the market. I did say that when it spikes a buck or two the market goes down. And I did qualify that by saying considering some other outside force like the lowering of interest rates didn't take place that day.

I never said to be an economist. I was simply trying to defuse DTB's statement that Joe Average makes out good when oil goes up because they have oil stocks in their 401 k's and that big oil pays taxes.
In order to defuse that statement I said the overall affct of oil is that high prices bring the market down. Which does not do any favors for Joe Average and his 401 k.

Marine took that to mean that in the history of the world oil has not always had that affect on the stock market so I am wrong.

Well I clarified and said I was only talking during THIS crises. Kind of what you said. And I told him to check his chart for the last 18 months.

Anyway thanks for responding.

Stevie we have quote sources here--why don't you use them. This is about 3rd time in a week you are taking me out of context--if your going to refer to something someone said--use the quote and not your Micheal Moore interpretations.

If you continue I will be force to put a liberal conviction curse on you--ie all female of family serve internship with Billy and all male members a term with Franks. ;)
 
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