strongest play of the last month or so for thursday ........

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ytd....56-51 (+10.76)

makin this one of my stronger plays in the last month or so:

3.5 units......oakland/detroit under 8 (+100)

lots of reasons why i think this one stays under the number:

* bonderman's 4-15 on the year, but he's actually pitched quite well at home in his last 5 comerica starts. he hasn't let up more than 3 runs in any of those starts ( 1 run 7/26 vs. kansas city..... 2 runs on 7/9 vs. white sox ..... 3 runs on 6/28 vs. arizona ..... 3 runs on 6/18 vs. cleveland .... 3 runs on 6/12 vs. dodgers)

* bonderman was very impressive when he outdueled zito in oakland earlier this year. tigers won the game and bonderman's stat line vs this lineup was outstanding:

8 IP .... 3 hits .... 1 run .... 5 strikeouts .... 0 walks


* zito lifetime at comerica : 3-1 with a 2.00 ERA

* run-support for zito his last 6 starts has been virtually non-existent. oakland has generated only 14 runs in his last six starts- and 7 of those runs came in one game. that pretty much explains how a pitcher with one of the best era's in baseball is sub-.500 in the win/loss column.

* tigers offense has been anemic vs the athletics this year. theyre averaging just 2.1 runs a game vs oakland , and have scored 2 or less in 6 of the 8.


gl guys. im not a big "numbers" capper at all, but i dont think they lie in this case. zito not getting any run support, zito lights out at comerica, tigers not scoring at all vs oakland this year, and bonderman (in the 1st meeting) seemed to really have something to prove to the team that dealt him via trade. we'll see how this one goes
 
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GL here

I got a small piece, small because Zito has had some serious problems during days games - this year and career-wise, Bonderman's era is a little higher in his few days games (other #'s maybe a little better during days), and cooperation by ump Joe West may not be there (19-9 over this year, though K% not terrible, and he was 18-11 under last year)
 

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THE UNDER IS A LOCK

I know because I bet the OVER and i decided to think. Hmm? Zito will give up 4, Oak should score 4, I win. I should have just kept betting against Detroit on the runline. They havent lost by one run since JULY 1!!
 

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extrapolater:

good stuff.

to be honest, thats the reason i dont cap with numbers too much. because theres SOOOO many numbers that will support and conflict the exact same game.

i feel like ive got a good set-up here today, but you bring up valid points about each guy's day numbers. just wondering- do you have zito's exact day numbers offhand? how much deviation is there from his ytd overall numbers or career numbers?

gl bud
 
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I use Yahoo a lot for stats, mostly because it is quick for me to zip around to the different pages of information (mlb.com and other are a bit slower).

Go to the scoreboard and you can link to any starters page(s).
There is a DAY/NIGHT split available under SPLIT STATS.
Top line of the page has totals.
Info available by year or 'since 1987.'

I know what you mean about 'numbers that will support and conflict the exact same game,' but there's always gotta be SOME reason why the other side just might win (even the Tigers DO have 'professional' ballplayers on their payroll), othewise I figure I'm not doing my work. Hot to properly weigh (almost) everything, to arrive at some reasonable probabilities, is something I'm continually trying to improve.
No break in sight.
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nole47 said:
THE UNDER IS A LOCK

I know because I bet the OVER and i decided to think. Hmm? Zito will give up 4, Oak should score 4, I win. I should have just kept betting against Detroit on the runline. They havent lost by one run since JULY 1!!

i brought up that same point a few days ago.....

but for value and whatnot, i think it's insane to be playing runlines in THIS series when for oaktown it's been -1.5 (between
-140 and -170) for a team that's consistently had trouble winning on the road ALL season.

gl
 

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i know this is too late to be of any benefit today, but for future reference, i played the tigers today mostly because joe west has a tendency to squeeze lefties. while i haven't done the math, if anyone looks back i'll bet that lefties have an era at least a full run higher than righties in games called by west.
 

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adding: 1 unit......florida (-110) over st.louis

well aware that the fish havent swept st.louis in a series in a long long time (7 years) but still feel like theres a ton of value in beckett tonight. to me, this is a pitching mismatch. tomko has been a bust for the cardinals and beckett is throwing really well for florida (2-1 in his last 3, going a total of 20 innings, and an era of 1.35). his numbers are pretty solid against the cards and florida is hitting the ball real well right now. if florida can push across 4 runs, i feel like beckett gets the win.
 

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nice call and nice job by det bullpen... saw bonderman's performance at comerica against kc he's a stud at home...

florida also way to go
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GL!
 
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