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[EXTRAPOLATER]

yesterjoke: 1-3 -7.8
empiricals: 42-33 +11.7

I DID POST, AFTERALL--PLAYS AT BOTTOM--STOMPED LAST 2/3
WARNING////WARNING///WARNING

Forget the M's not touching super-stud Hampton; had late leads in the other two, but Padres insurance company not the only ones suffering financially from Hoffman shelving. I'd have been thrilled just to bag that one.

I might public-pass today, but using the Force gives me the following inklings (sic?):

Phils@Reds under 10: HP Winters shouldn't hurt; Padilla and Wilson both w/solid outtings lately; HR still preferred method of scoring for Reds, and Padilla can be stingy there; both clubs have had one stinker, offensively, in series; CONTRA: both clubs have smoked opposition once in series; Wilson started Reds 7-6 win (vs Myers) in 1st meeting of season @Cinergy

Cards@NYY under 9: starters ... ump don't help, and latest outtings not encouraging. Need one starter, at least, to do some solid work, or see-ya

Cubs@Jays under 10: +money, Cubs bats maybe cool, Jays not so hot vs lefties; CONTRA: ump, Estes underachieving, Lidle not as sharp as early season, Jays BP capable of blowing anything

Jays: -135 looks like a gift ... Saddam Hussein looks like a nice guy ...

Rockies: Jennings over Knotts any day; Rocks bats over T's bats any day; CONTRA: Tigers pen better, Rocks a joke on road, Tigers on 1-game winning streak

Dodgers@Tigers under 9: Nomo sharp and Traber has potential to join "sharp" ranks, both clubs offensive jugger-NOTS; BP's solid; CONTRA: ump "just says no" to unders, LA does "best" bat work vs lefties

Brewers: Sheets is not as sheet as he has shown, pitching better lately; Brews with more pop; Lopez bad lately - not done much all season, Quevedo start and O's score 3; CONTRA: O's bats still going (19 in prev. 3 before yesterday), this is the Brewers

Twins: Radke maybe solving troubles, based on last start; Twins off. edge, and bounce back well from poor showing; Dessens is overpaid (whatever he makes); CONTRA: Dessens likely to may me look silly, one hot start by Radke not enough evidence, Twins better on road this year, pricey

Astros: Miller over Kim, lately for sure; Astros bats capable of keeping up, monster BP edge; CONTRA: Kim not crap, Bosox bats WAY-not crap

Chisox: this Perez worse; Chi hitting lefties; Garland occasionally surprises w/beauty start; Padres BP a Padres-backer nightmare; CONTRA: Chisox scoring yesterday via HR's, not their strong suit on season; Pads hitting better lately; Perez a slight X-factor

Expos@A's under 8: both O's can be very comedic, Expos in particular, lately, without key man Vlady G.; both starters capable of posting zero-age; both pens solid; ump not factor; CONTRA: both have off-days tomorrow so may let it all hang out here; not much else ... # is low, but solid start by both SP's not a longshot

Expos: Vazquez at +170 probably never insane; CONTRA: Hudson; A's 22-10 at home; A's bats better, probably BP slightly

Angels: Trashsel returning to the expected (NOT particularly sharp); Angels 18-14 at home while Mets 14-20 away; large offensive edge; Mets a joke, especially lately (.173 past 10) vs leties; Washburn a very sharp lefty - having career season, despite W-L (6-6) not showing so; CONTRA: Mets bats swinging much better lately; Angels bats unpredictable this year
--this one tempting me most; would have to be run-line

Marlins: Redman more appealing than Thomson; Rangers have had troubles vs lefties; CONTRA: Marlins have had more trouble vs righties lately (.227 p10) than Rangers have had w/leties (.270 p10); looks like a coin-toss


Hope it works out for you

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[RAYMOND]

BLUEJAYS SCORE MORE RUNS VS LEFTIES

TOR VS LHP AVG 6.7 RUNS VS LEFTES
TOR AVG 6.1 RUNS VS RIGHTIES

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

Appreciate the input, RAY

Been watching these guys for ages, and they always seem to produce less vs lefties - certainly the past few seasons.

I'm curious, though ... where are those #'s from?

I presume they are for games in which lefty starters have gone,
as I currently see (via MLB.com)
that

Jays score 0.18 runs/AB vs righties, and
Jays score 0.17 runs/AB vs lefties

OPS is 813 vs lefties, and
OPS is 855 vs righties

Not much of a difference, but moving more towards the righties, lately (.205 past 10 vs L, .315 past 10 vs R - only .004 points better vs R on season, though, .294 to .290)

Not trying to contradict, or otherwise be an a-hole...
Just wondering where the info is from, and what it considers.
--I saw you make the same comment elsewhere

Please straighten me out some more, though, be it warranted (inevitably)

 

[RAYMOND]

Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

ANA -30 230 -155 -490 385 -375 -115 -240 80 -100 ANA

10-9 2-0 4-4 0-4 4-1 23-22 2-2 9-8 3-2 9-10

4.6 7.5 4.8 1.3 5.8 5.4 6.3 4.7 6.6 5.6

BAL -350 -30 -195 100 -225 +325 30 -25 415 -95 BAL

7-9 2-2 2-3 2-1 1-3 24-25 3-3 9-8 5-2 7-12

4.9 4.5 3.6 6.0 6.0 5.4 4.3 5.0 7.9 5.1

BOS -480 -180 400 95 -795 -105 125 -100 -215 85 BOS

12-11 1-2 5-1 2-1 4-7 25-17 5-2 9-6 3-3 8-6

5.6 6.0 5.7 10.0 4.3 6.6 5.6 7.1 7.2 6.4

CHW -675 300 -140 -430 -405 -1075 -15 -545 -550 35 CHW

9-13 3-0 4-4 1-4 1-5 21-23 4-2 7-8 2-5 8-8

4.4 9.0 3.4 4.6 3.2 3.8 5.3 3.7 3.3 3.6

AMERICAN LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road
Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

CLE -85 -20 -10 320 -375 -700 55 70 -740 -85 CLE

9-13 2-2 3-4 3-2 1-5 17-26 2-2 9-8 1-9 5-7

3.7 4.5 3.7 5.4 1.8 4.3 4.0 4.4 4.6 4.0

DET -1000 -115 -400 -335 -150 -925 -480 -655 -500 710 DET

3-17 1-3 0-4 1-5 1-5 13-31 3-9 1-9 1-6 8-7

2.6 4.3 1.3 3.2 1.7 3.3 3.6 1.5 4.0 3.9

KC +425 60 -215 555 25 +565 285 440 -195 35 KC

11-10 3-3 1-3 5-1 2-3 21-21 5-3 7-4 3-6 6-8

4.5 3.7 2.3 5.7 5.8 5.2 6.3 6.0 5.1 4.0

MIN +800 0 195 305 300 +485 -435 350 -80 650 MIN

13-7 1-1 4-2 5-3 3-1 25-20 2-5 11-7 2-3 10-5

5.7 3.5 7.8 4.4 6.3 4.4 3.4 4.5 3.6 5.1

AMERICAN LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road
Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

NYY +125 -15 300 15 -175 -1480 -1160 -865 65 480 NYY

10-6 3-2 3-0 1-1 3-3 28-22 2-6 8-8 6-3 12-5

5.7 3.6 8.0 3.5 7.0 5.4 2.8 4.2 7.7 6.7

OAK +260 200 80 200 -220 -965 -390 395 -350 -620 OAK

12-7 4-1 2-1 3-1 3-4 24-22 4-5 11-3 2-5 7-9

4.5 4.0 6.7 6.0 3.0 4.7 4.9 5.1 3.1 4.8

SEA +1485 300 295 790 100 +215 300 -1010 410 515 SEA

20-5 3-0 7-3 7-0 3-2 24-16 3-0 6-10 4-0 11-6

6.8 5.3 5.6 7.7 8.6 4.6 4.3 3.2 7.0 5.3

AMERICAN LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road
Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

TB +465 -100 295 185 85 -1225 -505 180 -205 -695 TB

8-7 0-1 4-2 2-1 2-3 15-35 0-5 9-11 3-8 3-11

4.6 5.0 3.5 6.3 4.8 4.1 3.6 4.8 3.9 3.6

TEX -525 130 -445 -180 -30 -110 165 -50 80 -305 TEX

6-13 1-0 2-6 1-4 2-3 20-26 5-4 7-7 2-3 6-12

3.7 5.0 3.9 3.0 4.0 5.7 9.3 4.9 4.4 4.9

TOR +410 -180 45 205 340 +765 105 185 580 -105 TOR

11-8 1-2 3-2 2-1 5-3 27-22 4-3 10-7 6-2 7-10

6.7 5.3 7.2 4.7 7.6 6.1 7.3 6.4 5.4 5.7

NATIONAL LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road

Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

ARI -625 300 -555 -200 -170 -1100 -50 -930 245 -365 ARI

7-9 3-0 2-4 1-2 1-3 24-26 4-3 9-11 6-3 5-9

4.6 7.7 4.7 4.3 2.5 4.3 6.6 4.1 4.0 3.6

ATL +1155 200 400 360 195 +545 410 -145 160 120 ATL

13-2 2-0 4-0 3-0 4-2 31-19 8-2 10-7 3-1 10-9

6.9 8.5 6.5 8.7 5.7 5.4 6.8 4.2 7.3 5.3

CHC -780 -605 -450 75 200 +75 470 -335 -30 -30 CHC

7-8 1-4 1-2 2-1 3-1 29-21 14-6 2-3 5-5 8-7

5.1 2.6 5.7 7.7 5.8 4.5 4.8 3.8 4.2 4.6

CIN -270 -155 230 -140 -205 +1400 -100 560 40 900 CIN

7-10 1-2 4-2 1-3 1-3 27-22 4-5 10-7 4-5 9-5

4.3 3.3 6.2 3.8 2.8 5.2 5.0 5.1 5.8 5.2

NATIONAL LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road

Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

COL +555 575 515 -245 -290 -80 710 -200 -335 -255 COL

13-9 6-1 5-0 1-4 1-4 21-25 9-3 5-6 1-5 6-11

6.1 8.9 8.0 3.4 3.2 5.1 5.3 7.1 3.8 4.1

FLA +345 105 340 -200 100 -495 -255 -65 25 -200 FLA

10-7 1-0 6-3 0-2 3-2 22-29 3-5 8-8 3-4 8-12

4.8 4.0 4.7 4.0 5.6 4.5 5.4 3.9 3.9 4.9

HOU +25 100 5 150 -230 +285 -470 865 85 -195 HOU

7-6 1-0 3-2 2-1 1-3 30-24 2-4 16-6 5-5 7-9

5.5 5.0 5.8 7.3 3.8 4.9 4.7 5.5 4.6 4.6

LA +765 -180 500 230 215 -595 105 -460 15 -255 LA

10-3 0-1 6-1 1-0 3-1 28-25 4-2 10-10 4-3 10-10

4.3 3.0 3.9 8.0 4.5 3.3 3.5 3.3 4.3 3.0

NATIONAL LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road

Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

MIL -210 -85 -505 70 310 +455 -305 50 -355 1065 MIL

5-11 1-2 1-6 1-1 2-2 21-28 4-8 6-7 2-6 9-7

4.2 2.7 4.9 2.5 5.0 4.5 3.8 5.0 4.3 4.7

MON +150 25 165 5 -45 +1130 190 615 -165 490 MON

9-8 1-1 4-2 2-2 2-3 30-20 6-3 12-5 4-7 8-5

4.2 2.5 6.2 4.0 2.8 4.5 5.1 5.8 3.3 3.6

NYM +430 30 160 -20 260 -665 -435 115 -320 -25 NYM

10-7 2-2 4-2 1-2 3-1 20-28 4-7 6-5 2-5 8-11

4.4 2.8 4.8 4.7 5.0 4.3 3.9 3.7 3.3 5.1

PHI -395 100 -290 -140 -65 -225 65 -95 275 -470 PHI

4-7 1-0 1-3 0-1 2-3 30-25 7-4 10-8 6-3 7-10

3.1 7.0 2.8 3.0 2.6 4.9 5.4 4.9 5.9 3.9

NATIONAL LEAGUE

vs. LEFTIES vs. RIGHTIES

at Home on Road at Home on Road

Total Day/Night Day/Night Total Day/Night Day/Night

PIT -185 -100 -480 110 285 -625 40 -680 145 -130 PIT

5-7 1-2 0-4 1-0 3-1 20-32 2-2 6-13 7-9 5-8

4.3 3.7 2.3 7.0 6.3 4.2 3.5 3.3 4.4 5.6

SD -1110 -260 -535 -200 -115 -1030 -145 -265 -480 -140 SD

4-16 1-4 2-7 0-2 1-3 16-32 3-4 6-9 2-9 5-10

3.5 3.6 3.8 1.0 4.0 4.3 4.4 3.6 4.6 4.6

SF +230 60 400 -135 -95 +605 -105 -255 295 670 SF

9-5 2-1 4-0 1-2 2-2 32-20 5-4 10-8 5-2 12-6

5.1 5.0 7.0 3.0 5.0 4.7 5.7 3.8 4.7 5.2

STL +130 100 150 100 -220 -495 110 -70 -65 -470 STL

5-3 1-0 3-1 1-0 0-2 30-27 10-6 8-5 3-4 9-12

7.9 6.0 9.3 15.0 2.5 5.3 4.7 6.0 6.4 5.0

 

[RAYMOND]

SKYDOME AVG 14 RUNS IN DAY GAMES




D/N D/N D/N D/N D/N

ANA Edison Field 6/25 61/229 10.2/9.2 ARI Bank One Ballpark 10/26 115/238 11.5/9.2

BAL Camden Yards 10/22 98/186 9.8/8.5 ATL Turner Field 12/21 131/198 10.9/9.4

BOS Fenway Park 10/21 103/242 10.3/11.5 CHC Wrigley Field 25/8 197/86 7.9/10.8

CHW Comiskey Park 9/23 90/195 10/8.5 CIN Great American Bal 12/23 139/249 11.6/10.8

CLE Jacobs Field 8/24 66/218 8.3/9.1 COL Coors Field 19/16 215/213 11.3/13.3

DET Comerica Park 16/14 144/94 9/6.7 FLA Pro-Players Park 9/25 95/197 10.6/7.9

KC Kaufman Stadium 14/15 140/164 10/10.9 HOU Astros Park 7/27 75/260 10.7/9.6

MIN HHH Metrodome 9/24 97/223 10.8/9.3 LA Dodger Stadium 7/27 52/172 7.4/6.4

NYY Yankee Stadium 13/19 89/185 6.8/9.7 MIL Miller Park 15/20 138/226 9.2/11.3

OAK Oakland Coliseum 14/17 113/147 8.1/8.6 MON Olympic Stadium 11/23 105/243 9.5/10.6

SEA Safeco Field 6/26 41/224 6.8/8.6 NYM Shea Stadium 15/17 144/135 9.6/7.9

TB Tropicana Field 6/26 76/246 12.7/9.5 PHI Veterans Stadium 12/22 108/185 9/8.4

TEX Ballpark Arlington 10/22 168/237 16.8/10.8 PIT PNC Park 7/23 52/191 7.4/8.3

TOR Skydome 10/22 140/273 14/12.4 SD Qualcomm Stadium 12/24 108/220 9/9.2

SF Pac Bell Park 12/22 128/175 10.7/8

STL Busch Stadium 17/17 148/190 8.7/11.2

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

I hate to ask somebody to reveal their sources,
but these #s are tough to decipher.
Not sure what each represents.

Jays, I know, are 11-8 vs lefty starters
(faced a number of poor ones this year),
but I believe they will have more success vs righties, just based on what I've collected.

Estes is not very sharp this year, though.

If you're suggesting the under is a poor play, then I am tempted to agree. # is high, and no Prior today, but Cubs bats may be anxious for their off-day tomorrow.

I'm not too confident in anything today.
Angels, maybe.

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

the second set of number I understand

the first set is making my head swim

I could probably figure it out with some effort

Thanks for the Input,
Hope You Kick Arse Today

 

[RAYMOND]

NOT SAYING THE UNDER A POOR PLAY AT ALL, WHAT I AM SAYING IS AT THE SKYDOME IN DAY GAME THERE IS A AVG OF 14 RUNS SCORE IN DAY GAMES AND 12 RUNS IN NITE GAME , TRYING TO BE HELPFUL THAT ALL

 

[RAYMOND]

BULLPEN STRENGTH THE TOR IS THE WORST IN MAJORS

 

[Spock]

Toronto has a bullpen

good luck boys
Spock

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

This is what I was talking about (elsewhere) regarding
facts vs interpretations.

I guess one point I'm trying to make is that the Jays offense is LESS productive vs lefties, regardless of a piece of data that shows they have averaged more runs (6.7 to 6.1) in games that lefties have started.

I mean no disrespect.
I probably presently need help that transcends the boundaries of this forum, so
take me with a grain of salt.

Let Us Be Stomping Some Foreign Economies Today.

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you say why
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[RAYMOND]

LOL GOOD LUCK TODAY

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

No more silliness, from me, just PLAYZ:

Rockies -145 -+- 1.45/1
Jays -140 -+- 2.1/1.5
Brewers +120 -+- 2/2.4
Twins -1.5 +130 -+- 1/1.3
Expos@A's under 8 -120 -+- 1.2/1 (7.5 a bit tougher ... )
Angels -1.5 -110 -+- 2.75/2.5 (my POD)

Playin' 'em, so may as well admit it...
Haven't had 2 losing days in a row since re-joining the forum (this will be day 12), but I have been gunned down 2 of the past 3.


Happy Father's Day!

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and I try ... and I TRY ... AND I TRY!!!
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[ajoytoy]

gl today EP


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