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Just some thoughts for now. Feel free to chime in.

There is a rumor that Marshawn Lynch has come out of retirement, and Seattle WILL give him the ball in goal line situations.

Much has been made of NE's weak schedule this year, and understandably so. BUT... there's so much parity in the NFL these days, that there's really not much difference between a 6-11 team and an 11-6 team. Honestly, I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

I'd say NE's run through the playoffs has been FAR more impressive that what Seattle has done. First of all, let's not forget NE had the 3rd-highest percentage of snaps by rookies in the league this year. That's not normally a recipe for success in the playoffs. And yet they have done what they needed to do to keep advancing.

They absolutely shut down the Chargers (207 total yards, 1-of-10 on 3rd down), then beat one of the best defenses in the NFL, then went on the road to beat maybe an even better defense. They held Justin Herbert to 159 yards and 3 points before playing 2 incompetent QBs their last 2. Now they get Sam Darnold. Think about it... Seattle wasn't trailing in many games. Darnold had the luxury of playing with the lead most of the time. So he rarely had to force throws. And yet only 2 QBs threw more INTs... Tua and Gino Smith.

Ok, back to the teams' respective playoff runs. While NE beat 3 solid teams, Seattle first beat an absolutely depleted SF team (even that game wasn't really that dominant of a performance, despite the deceptive final score. Seattle only had 45 more total yards than SF. And they only had one drive over 50 yards the entire game. Even that one drive would have been a 3-and-out if not for a defensive holding call on a run play.). Then Seattle beat the Rams. The Rams were playing their 3rd straight road game. And their defense was TERRIBLE. They gave up 31 points to Bryce Young, for fuck's sake.

Injuries... Maye isn't even listed on the Injury Report, so maybe his shoulder is ok. We'll see. Darnold is listed as Questionable with an oblique injury. Both defenses have a key defender listed as Questionable with ankle injuries. LB Spillane missed practice yesterday. That would be a big loss for the Pats. For Seattle, Hybrid Nickel/LB Emmanwori was limited in practice yesterday. They are insisting he'll be ready to go.

Coaching staffs... the NE staff, primarily with Vrabel (as a player) and McDaniels, has plenty of Super Bowl experience. The Seattle staff... no Super Bowl experience between the HC, OC, and DC. One note here... the NE DC, Terrell Williams, missed almost the entire season as he fought prostate cancer. Happily, he's doing well and has rejoined the team. I don't know how active his role will be for this game. I assume they wouldn't have him just step right back into calling defenses at this stage. I mean, the only game he coached this year, they lost to the Raiders. I gotta believe Vrabel is smart enough to keep the status quo that's been working all year.

I know, I'm a broken record... but the left side of the NE OL is worrisome. Rookies Campbell (LT) and Wilson (LG) have had their struggles in the playoffs. Maye was under pressure on 40% of his dropbacks against Denver, and Campbell was responsible for 5 of those. Now, Seattle doesn't normally generate the same kind of QB pressure that Denver does. The Seahawks were in the middle of the pack with Sacks, just as close to the 31st team as they were to the league leader. After 17 (rough estimate) fumbles his first two playoff games, Maye held onto the ball in the AFC Championship.

NE has been great in the first half all season. I think they were something like 14-3 ATS in the first half (16-5 including the playoffs). And they only trailed at halftime once all year.

I'll probably play some Unders in the first half and first quarter. I don't see either team having much offensive success early.

As far as Props, I'll probably bet both QBs to throw a pick. Also I'll be looking at Unders for TreVeyon Henderson. His production has fallen off a cliff in the playoffs. After averaging 5.1 yards/carry during the season, here's his production in the 3 playoff games:

27 yards on 9 carries against LAC.
25 yards on 12 carries against Houston.
5 yards on 3 carries against Denver.

Statistically, Seattle has the best run defense in the league, only allowing 3.7 yards/carry. I expect to bet Henderson Under 18.5 yards.

I'm conflicted on the side. If I had any discipline, I would probably stay off it. New England is so young. That left side of the OL scares me. Maye could turn it over 6 times. And yet... I don't know if I can bet Sam Darnold laying points in the Super Bowl.
 

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a good read Smitty ~ I haven't pulled the trigger on the sides myself yet.

1q Under is usually an auto win, except the year I get involved lol, with both QBs capable
of the BIG plays (love JSN!), I can see both having success eventually.

I usually have a pretty strong opinion on the sides, not that I'm always right lol, but usually a strong opinion (loved Philly last yr!), but not yet...

I do lean Sea ML as I believe the Rams/Sea were the best 2 tms all yr against a tougher schedule, AND I can see Sea DL wreaking havoc vs Pats pass protection..
but maybe 'bad sam' shows up.. ? I'll wait :p

anyway, all I know is I don't know much!
Props I've played so far:
Maye OV 38.5 rush yds (2.4/2u)
Henry OV 40.5 rec yds (.5u)

thanks for the writeup!
 

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1q Under is usually an auto win
I'm looking at a couple different ways of betting this, besides just Under 7.5. Under 3.5 is +225. And I just saw a bet... Both teams to score 3+ in the first quarter. "NO" is -180, which seems reasonable.

I also just saw the 3rd quarter Under 9.5 at +100. Something tells me I should grab that now, but I'm going to hold off.

Interesting note... re: INTs... at one of my books, Drake Maye to throw a pick has dropped from -160 to -145. Darnold is holding steady at -150. Seattle was 5th in the NFL with 18 INTs this year. Kinda surprised to see that number dropping. Maye has not exactly been a paragon of ball security in the playoffs.

Couple more things I'm looking at....

Total Sacks Over 4.5. This is currently -150. Maye has been sacked exactly 5 times in each playoff game. He might hit this # by himself.

Seattle not to convert a 4th down. Got this from that video someone posted in this forum. Seattle is very conservative. They were dead last in the NFL, converting 0.4 fourth downs/game. The guy in the video bet it at +150. By the time I looked, 2 days ago, it was down to +125. And now it's -110.

Injury updates:

Spillane was a limited participant in practice today.

Another NE starting LB, Harold Landry, who missed the AFC Championship Game with a knee injury, was a limited participant in practice yesterday and did not participate today.

For Seattle, Emmanwori did not participate in practice today.

Also, Seattle starting LT Cross has been a limited participant the last 2 days with a foot injury.

All 4 of these guys are still listed as Questionable. Darnold is now off the injury report.
 

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a good read Smitty ~ I haven't pulled the trigger on the sides myself yet.

1q Under is usually an auto win, except the year I get involved lol, with both QBs capable
of the BIG plays (love JSN!), I can see both having success eventually.

I usually have a pretty strong opinion on the sides, not that I'm always right lol, but usually a strong opinion (loved Philly last yr!), but not yet...

I do lean Sea ML as I believe the Rams/Sea were the best 2 tms all yr against a tougher schedule, AND I can see Sea DL wreaking havoc vs Pats pass protection..
but maybe 'bad sam' shows up.. ? I'll wait :p

anyway, all I know is I don't know much!
Props I've played so far:
Maye OV 38.5 rush yds (2.4/2u)
Henry OV 40.5 rec yds (.5u)

thanks for the writeup!
I agree on the 1st qt under.. superbowls 1st qt total points average 6.8 total points all time.. Lets get this bet for a nice early win. I thought it was still at 7.5 but i got it just before on fanduel at 8.5.. public is on the over i guess which makes me like the under even more!
 

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Injury Update:

Emmanwori and Cross were full participants in practice today and are off the injury list.

Spillane and Landry were both limited participants and are still listed as Questionable. Obviously we'd expect anyone listed as Questionable to play in the Super Bowl, but if Spillane is limited, that's a big hole for the NE defense.

The line has dropped even further on both QBs to throw a pick. I used a boost to bet Darnold at +119. Maye is down to -123. I'm curious to see if it will drop even further.
 
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Sifting through some of this tonight I found a couple of interesting props. Will any punters punt result in a touch back? I thought the juice would be around even. No is -310 for seattles and -290 for NE’s. I figured at least one would sale on one of them and reach the EZ. But Seattles punter punted 8 times in the playoffs. Not one touch back and 7 inside the 20. Not better either way but I’m going to watching.
 

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Sifting through some of this tonight I found a couple of interesting props. Will any punters punt result in a touch back? I thought the juice would be around even. No is -310 for seattles and -290 for NE’s. I figured at least one would sale on one of them and reach the EZ. But Seattles punter punted 8 times in the playoffs. Not one touch back and 7 inside the 20. Not better either way but I’m going to watching.
Yeah, punters have gotten a lot better at keeping the ball out of the end zone. Helped in no small part by guys routinely fielding punts inside the 5 now.

I've said for years that when teams are trying to decide on who should return punts, they just pick the dumbest guy on the team.

GL, Boomer!
 
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