Take a Look Inside Iran

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[An interesting view of a routinely defamed people and nation.]

Iran Makes the Sciences A Part of Its Revolution

By Thomas Erdbrink
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, June 6, 2008; A01

TEHRAN -- As Burton Richter, an American Nobel laureate in physics, entered the main auditorium of Tehran's prestigious Sharif University, hundreds of students rose to give him a loud and lengthy ovation. But Richter, wearing a white suit and leaning on a cane, said he was the one who should be awed.

"The students here are very impressive," Richter said, lauding the high level of education at Sharif. "I expect to hear a lot more from you all in the future."

The students, young men and women with laptops and smart briefcases, giggled in their seats. A woman took pictures of the Stanford professor emeritus, whose visit last month was part of a privately funded academic program run by the National Academies of the United States and universities in Iran.

"Mr. Richter is an example for us," explained Ismael Hosseini, a 23-year-old electrical engineering student who had managed to get a seat near the stage. "But soon I will be able to listen to an Iranian scientist who has received a Nobel Prize for his or her work," he said. "We are all studying and researching hard to receive this honor."

Iran's determination to develop what it says is a nuclear energy program is part of a broader effort to promote technological self-sufficiency and to see Iran recognized as one of the world's most advanced nations. The country's leaders, who three decades ago wrested the government away from a ruler they saw as overly dependent on the West, invest heavily in scientific and industrial achievement, but critics say government backing is sometimes erratic, leaving Iran's technological promise unfulfilled.

Still, Iranian scientists claim breakthroughs in nanotechnology, biological researchers are pushing the boundaries of stem cell research and the country's car industry produces more cars than anywhere else in the region.

"Iran wants to join the group of countries that want to know about the biggest things, like space," Richter said to the students during his speech at Sharif University, which draws many of the country's best students. Every year, 1.5 million young Iranians take a national university entrance exam, or "concours." Of the 500,000 who pass and are entitled to free higher education, only the top 800 can attend Sharif, considered Iran's MIT.

At Sharif, students work in fields including aerospace and nanotechnology. While some end up advancing Iran's nuclear program or finding work in other technological fields in Iran, many, especially PhD candidates, are lured by employers or universities in Australia, Canada and the United States.

"Our visitors are flabbergasted when they come to our modern laboratories and see women PhD students. Often they had a completely different image of Iran, not as an academic country," said Abdolhassan Vafai, a professor at Sharif. "Here, we educate our students to solve problems that affect all humanity, like hunger, global warming and water shortages."

But in Iran, scientists are also expected to serve ideological goals. Iran's leaders hold up their inventions as proof that the country's 1979 revolution has made it independent and self-sufficient.

When President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad opened Iran's first space center in February, he issued a launch order sending a test missile into space and proclaimed that "no power can overcome Iran's will."

Iran hopes to launch its second satellite -- the first was launched commercially by a Russian company -- within weeks, using a locally made rocket. Iran's advances in this field cannot be independently verified.

Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has encouraged scientific breakthroughs for geopolitical reasons. "If you are in pursuit of a science, you bring dissatisfaction and displeasure to the enemy of the revolution's aspirations," Khamenei said during a visit to Iran's stem cell research center in 2006.

In 1979, revolutionaries accused Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the country's U.S.-backed autocrat, of having made Iran dependent on other states for technology, military equipment and industrial hardware.

During the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, the country faced an enemy supported by superpowers that isolated Iran. Squadrons of U.S.-made F-4 fighter jets were grounded because of U.S. sanctions that barred Iran's access to spare parts.

"In the war, the whole world was against us. We learned that we had to stand on our own two feet," said Manoucher Manteqi, chief executive of Iran's largest carmaker, Iran Khodro. The state-run company produced more than 600,000 cars in 2007 and has no equivalent in the Middle East. India's Tata Motors produced just over 400,000 vehicles in 2007; French automaker Peugeot Citroen -- with which Iran Khodro has a joint venture -- makes about 3.5 million vehicles a year worldwide.

"The sanctions forced us to use our full potential. We are now commercializing what we learned back then," explained Manteqi, who wore a worker's coat to show unity with his assembly-line colleagues during an interview in March.

Iranians worry about the impact of U.N. sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program. "They will lead to limitations in our cooperation with other countries," Manteqi said. "But they also mean that others cannot use Iran's potential, like foreign carmakers we want to cooperate with. Iran needs 1.5 million cars a year -- this is an interesting market. Under sanctions, we might have to do things ourselves, but we are used to that."

"If the West refuses Iran nuclear technology, it means they might pressure us in the future over development of other technologies," said Nasser Aghdami of the Royan stem cell institute in Tehran. The state-sponsored facility does research on human embryonic stem cells. "Our religious authorities have decided that we can do research on fetuses until 4 months old," he explained.

"We exchange information with scientists in the U.S. I feel science should be above politics," Aghdami said.

But when he wanted to order a new ultracentrifuge machine needed for research, he found that his foreign counterparts weren't allowed to send the equipment to Iran because it was considered "dual use" -- technology that could be applied to Iran's nuclear program. The nuclear centrifuges that Iran produces cannot be used for stem cell research.

"This shows that we still need a lot of willpower to achieve our goal," Aghdami said. Iranian stem cell scientists are already involved in efforts to reprogram skin cells into embryonic cells in order to bypass ethical problems, he said. "Only three other countries -- Germany, the U.S. and Japan -- are involved in this. We are proud to compete with the best."

Persia, as Iran was known until the 19th century, made discoveries in the natural sciences, mathematics and philosophy. After the Arab-Islamic invasion in the 7th century, Persian scientists developed medical alcohol and made important contributions in algebra and chemistry.

"Everybody wants their kids to study here. Step into a taxi in Tehran and the driver will tell you this is his second job to support his kids in university," said Hashem Rafii-Tabar, a professor at a research institute in Tehran. He returned to his homeland six years ago to set up a department for nanotechnology for a consortium of nine Iranian universities. His students are making conceptual designs for nanodevices that can identify and destroy individual cancer cells.

"We have high ambitions," Rafii-Tabar explained. "Already we are the number one in nanotechnology in the region, maybe only equaled by Israel. Iran produces more papers on this subject in international scientific indexed publications than any other country in the region. However, Iran has not yet submitted patents, official new inventions. Its regional competitors have also not reached this stage."

The Iranian government supports the nanotechnology project. Last month a nanotechnology supercomputing center was opened, financed by the government.

Rafii-Tabar observed that science projects in Iran often take off with a flying start but later run aground. "When a new field of research comes to Iran, it incubates, goes on to be taught at the famous universities, but revolutions and changes of government have stopped projects in the past," he said. "We used to be big in IT, but we still need foreign software for our ATM machines."

At Iran Khodro's factory west of Tehran, the day shift had just ended. But Manteqi, the CEO, was not leaving. "I should work harder than everyone else, because many things still go wrong," he explained with a smile. "As the late Ayatollah Khomeini said: 'If we want it, we can do it.' We have more experts and professionals in Iran than in any of the neighboring countries. If they are managed properly, we can fulfill our ambitions. Iran can do this in cooperation with the rest of the world, but, if needed, we can also do it by ourselves."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060503904_pf.html
 

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Just a terrific article and a really sad one at that. The eight years this country has fallen behind is down right embarrassing. Then again when you have a nation of fools it is not real surprising what you can get away with. Over there it looks like they are trying to get to the next level. Over here greed and fear is disguised as patriotism. No wonder Bush want's to attack them. He wants to keep their people as stupid as ours. You would think the Iranians were savage beast the way they are talked about. Kinda reminds me of the way our Gov't use to try to brainwash me into thinking the Russians were very bad people :nono: and of course the enemy.
 

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= public educatation will set us free... only problem is... the powers that control it, do not want it..... WHY ? Answer is obvious ... NOTE : this administration is just the last of all of them in my life time to do nothing to change it... It will have to come from the private sector..... all great advances in this area have come and will come that way. spend your dollars wise... tax cuts are good . you get to spend your money where it can make a difference.... it's not just about the money... there is a concerted effort not to educate the masses... sounds crazy right ? WHY are we the way we are ? with all the effort, all these politicains have given to the effort. ..... why are we still here ? There are countless examples of educating people that some think couldn't be...... with education there is freedom... a scary prospect to some....
 
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oh please...what have they given the world?


"Still, Iranian scientists """""claim""""" breakthroughs in nanotechnology, biological researchers are pushing the boundaries of stem cell research and the country's car industry produces more cars than anywhere else in the region....

they make more cars than anywhere else in the region?..and they "claim" breakthroughs in "nanotechnology?....

more cars then who?...palestine?....afghanistan?....


how would one know?.....it`s not a free society...you`ll see what they allow you to see...you`ll hear what they allow you to hear....

just like their nuclear program....how would you know what they`re doing?....

the answer/....you don`t...

""TEHRAN, Iran - A top Iranian judiciary official warned Monday against the ?destructive? cultural and social consequences of importing Barbie dolls and other Western toys.

In the latest salvo in a more than decade-old government campaign against Barbie, Prosecutor General Ghorban Ali Dori Najafabadi said in an official letter to Vice President Parviz Davoudi that the doll and other Western toys are a ?danger? that need to be stopped.""


"During the two decades before 1975 per capita income in Iran grew faster than in Turkey and kept pace with Korea. By 1975 the level of per capita GDP in Iran was more than double those attended in Korea and Turkey. However, since the late 1970s income per head in Iran has witnessed a rapid decline. . . By 1990, GDP per capita in Iran had declined by half, almost down to the levels prevalent in the early 1960s and falling behind Turkey and Korea."


guess what happened in the late 70`s?....the shah was ousted thanks to jimmy carter...

this is what islamism has done for them...


a brittle,closed minded culture that can`t even withstand "barbie"?....



it`s a b.s. article that`s meant to run interference for their nuclear program...

you guys are such tools...spongy i understand..the rest of you should be ashamed...
 
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Over there it looks like they are trying to get to the next level. Over here greed and fear is disguised as patriotism. No wonder Bush want's to attack them. He wants to keep their people as stupid as ours. You would think the Iranians were savage beast the way they are talked about. Kinda reminds me of the way our Gov't use to try to brainwash me into thinking the Russians were very bad people :nono: and of course the enemy.

you`re beginning to piss me off........it`s o.k. if you want to wear a burka and stick your ass in the air facing mecca 5 times a day,but when you start disparaging your own country and claiming that iran in some way is better with it`s shitty economy and closed society than your own free society,then we`ve got issues....

and btw...that plane ticket offer still stands...

you can post what you please...but so can i....

i`m losing respect for you....

get a fricking job...
 

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iran isnt' stealing 10 million a day from us. israel is.

iran isn't goading us into endless foreign wars. israel is.

America-hating Israel appeasers like you make me sick, gardenweasel.
 

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stealing?.....oh,that`s right,they`re joos...:yup

how much are the palestinians stealing?...

how much are the poor in african nations stealing?...

seems like everyone`s stealing from the most magnanimous country on the face of the earth...

but,the joos....they really tend to get on a guy`s nerves,don`t they?...
 

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stealing?.....oh,that`s right,they`re joos...:yup

how much are the palestinians stealing?...

how much are the poor in african nations stealing?.../QUOTE]

say, pee-wee, do you ever make any picks on this forum?

cuz all i ever see you do is shill for our worst enemy.
 

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""TEHRAN, Iran - A top Iranian judiciary official warned Monday against the ?destructive? cultural and social consequences of importing Barbie dolls and other Western toys.
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Really shows you how afraid the Irans are of their own people.

Its pathetic.
 

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Just a terrific article and a really sad one at that. The eight years this country has fallen behind is down right embarrassing. Then again when you have a nation of fools it is not real surprising what you can get away with. Over there it looks like they are trying to get to the next level. Over here greed and fear is disguised as patriotism. No wonder Bush want's to attack them. He wants to keep their people as stupid as ours. You would think the Iranians were savage beast the way they are talked about. Kinda reminds me of the way our Gov't use to try to brainwash me into thinking the Russians were very bad people :nono: and of course the enemy.
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here you go Sponge.

you and Tapir where you belong
 

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stealing?.....oh,that`s right,they`re joos...:yup

how much are the palestinians stealing?...

how much are the poor in african nations stealing?.../QUOTE]

say, pee-wee, do you ever make any picks on this forum?

cuz all i ever see you do is shill for our worst enemy.

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I would be more concerned about who your shilling for.
 

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Sponge and Tapir , get in here now
you will be taken for reprogramming.


Oh I forgot that would be Iran that would want to reprogram you two.

In America you are free to say any stupid thing you can think of , all the while endlessly taking the clothes on and off your favorite Barbie.
 
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In America you are free to say any stupid thing you can think of , all the while endlessly taking the clothes on and off your favorite Barbie.

oh gee. dingleboy and multipurpose tool have both showed up. that's a moron quorum in any thread. :142smilie
 

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you`re beginning to piss me off........it`s o.k. if you want to wear a burka and stick your ass in the air facing mecca 5 times a day,but when you start disparaging your own country and claiming that iran in some way is better with it`s shitty economy and closed society than your own free society,then we`ve got issues....

and btw...that plane ticket offer still stands...

you can post what you please...but so can i....

i`m losing respect for you....

get a fricking job...


Im pissing you off? Your type of thinking is a cancer to this country. I couldn't give two shits about your phony respect. Why don't you leave and take every simpleton and crook who share your belief system and high tail it out so we can get this country back to the great nation it use to be? You are one of the rare lugnuts left on the wheel who still get conned by this corrupt administration.
 

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tapir

here is your new avatar since you dont have one:142smilie
 

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your sense of humor is deficient as your spelling.

you ever hear of bratz dolls?
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I thought it was pretty funny.

what did I spell wrong ?

djv assured me one time that I didnt have to put in every comma, or spell everything right as long as people got the gist of it.

so whats the problemo Ferdinand :shrug:
 
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