talk about flopping????????????

[BleedDodgerBlue]

Kobe Bryant is the most talented pure talent player in the NBA right now. Period. There are others close. But he's at the top. You cannot compare guys like Wade and LeBron until they have 4 or 5 years under their belt. It's not fair.

You might hate him. He might be a real jag-off. He might even be a rapist. He's definitely a selfish-prick with regards to Shaq. But that cannot take away his skill. Ask any NBA player who's the best player in the league and I guarantee you a good many of them would say Kobe.

Will he ever win again remains to be seen. Four years ago before his troubles the league was annointing him the next Jordan and saying he will be better and on and on. He definitely did more than Jordan did at that age. Will there ever be another Jordan, probably not? Is Kobe close in skill at his age, of course. Is he a better team player, absolutely not.

For pure skill alone, he's the best and most skilled player in the NBA. That doesn't necessarily translate to best player though, as the intangibles of making teammates better, being a role model, and playing with pure heart might or might not be there. He's still 26 and has time to start repairing his image and team concept game.

 

[pt1gard]

hey scott,

sorry i offend you with the facts, and sorry i can't be (as you posted) as knowledgeable as your vast basketball expertise ... facts laid out to you and you dispute them w/o any facts of your own, you have become quite the hypocrite in that vein. I'm giving you cold hard numbers, you are arguing moot, hypotheticals :shrug:


?We can be knowledgeable with other men's knowledge, but we can't be wise with other men's wisdom. -Michael de Montaigne-


maybe you'd like to share a few of your bogus comments you used to IM with, such as why black quarterbacks arent as good as white quarterbacks--I saved an IM or two on that subject, perhaps you'd enjoy seeing those comments again so you could properly address them piece by piece .. I'm sure the board here at MJs would enjoy seeing Solomon dissect that

 

[Scott4USC]

Good post BleedDodgerBlue and I agree with you.

hey scott,

sorry i offend you with the facts, and sorry i can't be (as you posted) as knowledgeable as your vast basketball expertise ... facts laid out to you and you dispute them w/o any facts of your own, you have become quite the hypocrite in that vein. I'm giving you cold hard numbers, you are arguing moot, hypotheticals :shrug:

Me not liking Horry is an opinion and I explained why. You posted facts supporting your argument that Horry is great role player when he was a Laker. I said good data but here is why I DISLIKE HIM when he was on Lakers.

I clearly stated my opinion and supported it. You did as well. So what is the problem?

Did I say this.....:shrug:

sorry i can't be (as you posted) as knowledgeable as your vast basketball expertise ...

maybe you'd like to share a few of your bogus comments you used to IM with, such as why black quarterbacks arent as good as white quarterbacks--I saved an IM or two on that subject, perhaps you'd enjoy seeing those comments again so you could properly address them piece by piece .. I'm sure the board here at MJs would enjoy seeing Solomon dissect that

:142lmao:

For starters, why the hell are you bringing up a private conversation in IM into this thread on a public message board? 2nd, I am not a racist as your quotes "might" imply. So hopefully nobody thinks that. In my opinion I think white QB's are better than black QB's as a whole. Not saying there are no great black QB's (as there are many) but I think a lot of black QB's are athletes playing QB. There are also bad white QB's so not saying all white QB's are great. I might have different qualities/preferences I like seeing in a QB. (everyone is different) On flip side, I prefer a black RB vs White RB. But remember, I am talking in general, not specific individuals. When you talk specific individuals, there is not difference between players etc. Everything is in general. Hopefully I cleared that up and why you would post this is beyond me. What does this have to do with NBA and this thread? :mj03:

 

[pt1gard]

hey, you brought up bogus, so I was allowing you to clear up some of your many bogus concepts (I have more if you want to chew on them) ... when U make sweeping comments and try to hide behind them, maybe others would like to see your backpedaling, too, I certainly do ...

the facts are that Kobe, amongst the elite, has worst turnover to assist ratio i found, and shooting pct vs his own team's % is poor ... you didnt address those (other than bias alibis), you say he goes one on one b/c his teammates suck and faces doubles teams, etc. as if he is the first player ever to face similar situations in history of game ...

you really dont understand basketball at all, let's leave it at that (there are tons on this board that do); and some of your past, terribly narrow minded comments (i'll leave it at that) I will admit, at times, spur me to spar with you on MJs

gl,
gregg

ps I posted it to let people have another glimpse to see how your mind works: convoluted.

 

[Bombs]

For starters, why the hell are you bringing up a private conversation in IM into this thread on a public message board? 2nd, I am not a racist as your quotes "might" imply. So hopefully nobody thinks that. In my opinion I think white QB's are better than black QB's as a whole. Not saying there are no great black QB's (as there are many) but I think a lot of black QB's are athletes playing QB. There are also bad white QB's so not saying all white QB's are great. I might have different qualities/preferences I like seeing in a QB. (everyone is different) On flip side, I prefer a black RB vs White RB. But remember, I am talking in general, not specific individuals. When you talk specific individuals, there is not difference between players etc. Everything is in general. Hopefully I cleared that up and why you would post this is beyond me. What does this have to do with NBA and this thread? :mj03:

I am not sure how this statement refutes any accusations that your views on quarterbacks may be racist. In fact, it reinforces them so much, its pretty funny you wrote them as a defense of yourself.

 

[Jalen45]

talk about flopping??????????????

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[Scott4USC]

hey, you brought up bogus, so I was allowing you to clear up some of your many bogus concepts (I have more if you want to chew on them) ... when U make sweeping comments and try to hide behind them, maybe others would like to see your backpedaling, too, I certainly do ... .

Where did I hide behind my comments? Where was I backpedaling?

you really dont understand basketball at all, let's leave it at that (there are tons on this board that do); and some of your past, terribly narrow minded comments (i'll leave it at that) I will admit, at times, spur me to spar with you on MJs

Poor baby! It is sad you are always pumping up your credibility and saying how knowledgeable you are in basketball and all your contacts. Post your opinions and back them up. No need to question others hoops knowledge. Let others agree/disagree and judge for themselves. Stop worrying what others think about me or anybody else. Think and post for yourself. Don't let my posts and opinions bother you. It is getting :mj10:

ps I posted it to let people have another glimpse to see how your mind works: convoluted.

Maybe you should let me post my opinions! :mj07: People can judge for themselves about me because I always explain my opinions. They can choose to agree/disagree/ or ignore. Maybe you need to ignore my posts if you have a problem with me!

I am not sure how this statement refutes any accusations that your views on quarterbacks may be racist. In fact, it reinforces them so much, its pretty funny you wrote them as a defense of yourself.

I think white QB's in general are better than black QB;s. I don't think that is racist. It is my opinion but nothing racist behind it. I didn't use the word "all." :nooo: Thats why I don't understand why pt1gard would post my opinions in a private IM. Didn't ask me if I wanted my opinion on this subject posted. I have lost a lot of respect for you Gregg and very immature of you! If I wanted to make my opinion known, "I" should have posted it. Not you! Now I have to explain myself or people will question if I am racist. I told you that in confidence and in an IM. On top of that, it has NOTHING to do with this thread. :flush:

 

[pt1gard]

scott, if i helped you grow up from your polluted thoughts, I have done the world some good, but of course, since you have no sympathy for anyone, I'm sure not (want me to site examples?)... Truth is i finally had to block your IMs b/c you were too negative toward many things and self-indulgent, and bragged about how much money you won every five seconds to the penny.

and is it private when you used to email me countless times pleading with me to rescue you from your loud mouth at MJs "people are ganging up on me, if you dont help support me you arent a true friend" blah blah; and consistently calling people here jerks while trying to guilt me into vouching for you--I resented that and now Im saying it ...

cmon, scott, U started this whole deal in a 1000 ways, sorry it backfired, and as for losing respect for me, great ... its hard to have respect for anyone as singled minded as you who needs to post "TIME TO BOAST" about how you win etc and NEVER think you are wrong ...

if i name drop its to illustrate a point that I have actually talked to real professionals (there's been hundreds of times I coulda added much more info on things such as that but chose not to say a word at risk of seeming like an ass kiss or foster jealously, which it obviously has to you) ... i guess saying I have talked to Nate McMillan countless times (which I have never posted, tho I have) about basketball is as bad as going to PC's new conferences and blabbing about that, which you do ...

I figured this day was coming b/c I put up with your BS 100xs more than anyone and tried to befriend you (even helping you write a paper at usc) and help you at MJs, but you never appreciated that--so, yes, Im sick of your pettiness and you got flak

If you want more let me know ... you gave me lotsa ammo thru the years ... and it hasnt been close to tapped ....


ps back in post 34 i tried to end this nicely, but your pertinacious DNA didn't permit it; you can't win with me, Scott, I know where your skeletons lie.

 

[pt1gard]

No need to question others hoops knowledge. Let others agree/disagree and judge for themselves. Stop worrying what others think about me or anybody else. Think and post for yourself. Don't let my posts and opinions bother you. It is getting :mj10:

That might be the funniest thing Ive ever read on this site--U invented that M.O.

 

[maverick2112]

I will add this about Kobe Bryant..............this is my opinion only but I wouldnt be surprised if he wanted the Lakers to lose last yr so he could persuade mgmt to not re-sign Shaq..........it would have been harder for the Lakers and Buss to not sign Shaq after a championship season..(and Jackson)........look at Kobes stats the last 3 games and tell me he wasnt pathetic.........he just kept chucking shots up left and right......

I guess if Kobe is as great as some people think around here we will see how many quality players want to go to LA and play with this guy..................

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

Maverick, the Lakers didn't blow the finals on purpose last year. They just weren't good enough to win the games. There wasn't a team, but a bunch of crybabies who had their troubles reach a head during the finals. On paper they were a better roster but that meant squat.

The Lakers fab 4 or whatever dumb name you want to call them, weren't speaking and were just going through the motions in the finals.

I repeat, I want to take nothing away from what Detroit did. They deserve to be champs and beat the best the west had to offer last year.

The lakers didn't throw the series in some conspiracy to not re-sign shaq.(and i do believe the nba is shady, just not this time) They weren't speaking and genuinely hated each other. Athletes don't like each other all the time and win championships. Do you think Jordan and Pippen actually got along off the court. NO. They made it no secret they weren't best buds, but they never let that get in the way. Kobe and Shaq have a genuine HATE toward eah other. Kobe didn't want to play with Shaq regardless win or lose last year. Buss does what he wants and always has. He really could care less about public perception. The lakers started to decline when they let Jerry West get away and had Kupchak take over.

Maverick:
"I guess if Kobe is as great as some people think around here we will see how many quality players want to go to LA and play with this guy..................

If you were referring to my post, re-read it again. Kobe is the best talent in the NBA. I never said he was the best player. He has more natural ability than anyone. That's an opinion, but I'm sure it's shared by plenty in the NBA as well. The guy is an ass. It wouldn't surprise me if no one wants to play with him or put up with him, but money talks and Buss will be able to buy players a year from now. So, I don't necessarily think he's the best player in the NBA because part of that includes making others better which he lacks. But three years ago, the public general perception of him was much higher. He fell hard and mostly of his own doing. He had an ego battle with the big daddy and shaq won hands down. But the whole point i was trying to make is nobody has more talent right now in the NBA than Kobe. How he uses it or how he affects others makes a player truly great. I won't label him that, but I stand by that he has more natural talent than anyone.

gl

 

[Scott4USC]

BleedDodgerBlue

The lakers started to decline when they let Jerry West get away and had Kupchak take over.

I agree! Shaq might still be playing with Kobe right now if West never left. Shaq listened to West and prob. be in shape every year. Similar to how Shaq listened to Riley. Lakers also would not have signed Payton (which was HUGE mistake and major reason they lost to Pistons). They also would have drafted better = better role players.

Or maybe Lakers would have traded Shaq and got Amare Staudimire (someone that caliber). Some huge move like that! West was brilliant! Lakers certainly would have cheated other team, not the other way around with Kupcake.


The Judge

You would take Wade/Shaq over Kobe/Garnett? We are talking about right now! I don't think you could go wrong with either choice and it is a matter of preference but to say you can't believe I would take Kobe/Garnett seems odd. We are not talking Shaq in his prime.

maverick2112

I thought about the same thing about Kobe throwing the finals. If Lakers won title, no way Buss breaks up team. Be huge public outcry. Kobe was doubled teamed with Shaq single covered yet he wouldn't get Shaq the ball. I understand Kobe not giving ball to his role players (especially Horry :mj07: JUST KIDDING) but not getting ball to Shaq was absurd.

Maybe Kobe saw it as win win situation. Kobe would score 40+ and win series for Lakers and get MVP. Or Kobe shoots poorly (which happened) and Lakers lose series and Lakers start to rebuild while getting value in trading shaq. Shaq would have then left as FA after year or Lakers sign him to huge contract. If Lakers signed Shaq to huge contract Kobe would be screwed because Sahq would get even more lazy. As it turns out, Lakers did not get much value but did get something in return for Shaq! Lakers are set up well to contend for championships in near future (not now). Kobe then must show why he is the best player in NBA. I think he will.


Pt1gard :shrug:

This is hilarious and sad at the same time. You are turning this thread into a soap opera and all about me. I am shocked how I have gotten under your skin. I am sad you feel this way about me but I do not think I have done anything to offend you. If I have, you certainly didn't alert me. Unless me disliking Horry, Shaq, and liking Kobe offends you.

If you notice, I talk about basketball in this thread. Look how far off topic your posts are. Not sure what your agenda is but doesn't make sense to me.

We were friends for long time and sad to see this behavior out of you. I know we became distant last couple years but I still considered you a buddy. If you dislike me so much, why not tell me or ignore me? I ignore the posters on MJ's I dislike.

I was not aware you blocked me on IM since its been something like 3 years since I chatted with you on IM. Its been 2-3 years since I logged onto my screen name. You never once told me you had a problem with me.

If you really have problem with me, simply e-mail me and do it privately. Maybe we can resolve the issue. I be more than happy to try and work it out.

It is pretty immature to do this outburst publicly in Madjacks forum. Once again, you are turning this into a soap opera while I stick to talking about hoops! I am not threatened by you will try and refrain myself from this soap opera. What you are trying to accomplish is beyond me.

Lastly, most of my "big" winnings have come within the last 2 years and I don't think I have spoken to you on IM in the last 2-3 years. So not sure what you are talking about. Why even bring that up is beyond me. You obviously are threatened or jealous of me in some weird way. Otherwise you wouldn't be doing this. Just ignore me if I bother you so much! I am sad to see you react this way and doing it publicly. The mature thing to do would be contact me privately. You should be embarrassed by your behavior!

 

[pt1gard]

scott,

I guess my issue with you burns with your lack of sensitivity for many things (and on MJ's: repeating yourself and not regarding other's POV unless it coincides exactly with yours) ... aside from MJ's, call me a poor man's simon rosenthal, but you made many untoward comments to me about less fortunates in the past, and of course you are hiding those facts and turning it into a woe is you for being called out ...

if i find someone who is racist i dont mind saying it ... I will admit you struck a deep nerve seeing i've worked with inner city kids my whole life and you always had zero empathy, and yes made blatantly racist remarks, yet you prance around it now not wanting to be exposed ... of course you dont ... I've called people out on MJs for this several times before and sorry it got to that with you but just your recent posturing on the issue offended me again and brought back my image of your handed-everything-in-life and lack of respect for those who dont have things; now I see the strand connecting you so tightly to Kobe ...

I am going to email you that IM and you can see how little you respect others who grew up w/o benefit (altho I dont see how it benefited U) of growing up privileged to a life without fiscal or familial worry ...

I might be on my high horse here, i really dont care (this might well be my catharsis from you), but you pushed me far enough and someday maybe you will see the light in some of the horrible comments you used to describe others to me ... so what if it came out on this board--maybe it will teach you a valuable lesson, tho i doubt it

It's amusing to me that other than Soul Train (who i feel i tried my best to resolve the small issue we had and all's cool now) I have never felt need to feud with anyone... I am not the first to do this to you, in fact, I doubt you add the top 10 most annoying MJ's posters together and they equal the guff you solicit... (what's kinda jocular is you are prob great business for Jack b/c you are a Springer show oddity)

It was always ironic to me to see how often you used the term "people must be jealous of me" in your posts as a defense for your machinations, b/c for the life of me I cant ever recall anyone on this site ever using that term to describe themself other than you (other than me in this thread to mock you)

Now, if you need last word, go for it, b/c after I see it or before, I am going to block you on MJs, b/c honestly, I am embarrassed I wasted the time I have debating with you, since I have never once seen you post anything (esp. in hoops) that I found insightful, unbiased, nor useful ...

gl, gregg

 

[Scott4USC]

Pt1gard

Another soap opera post in this thread.

*Lets say I am a big racist "behind closed doors." What does that have to do with me posting at Madjacks? What does it have to due with this thread in NBA forum?

*Lets say my parents are millionaires etc. What does that have to do with me posting at Madjacks? What does it have to due with this thread in the NBA forum?

*Lets say I made numerous personal attacks towards you in IM's 3 years ago and offended you in many ways. What does that have to do with me posting at Madjacks? What does it have to due with this thread in the NBA forum?

*What do conversation's I have had with you 3-4 years ago have anything to do with me posting on Madjacks? What does it have to due with this thread in the NBA forum?

(BTW I am not a racist, and my parents are not millionaires. I will make racist comments (jokingly) or racist jokes in private with people I know and trust, but I never in my life discriminated against anybody. I treat everyone equally and the way they should be treated. In fact 2 of my best friends are minorities (armenian and asian) But I def. have never made racist comments/jokes on MJ's AND I try my best never to make personal attacks even if others make them towards me. PERIOD!

you pushed me far enough and someday maybe you will see the light in some of the horrible comments you used to describe others to me ... so what if it came out on this board--maybe it will teach you a valuable lesson, tho i doubt it

I am sorry if my personal beliefs or my conversations I had with you 3 years ago offended you. Hell, maybe I don't believe that anymore. 4 years ago I was 20 years old and now I am 24. I don't remember you ever telling me it offended you this much 3 years ago but again, what does this have to do with me posting on madjacks and what does it have to do with this thread in NBA forum? Why can't you handle this privately?

It was always ironic to me to see how often you used the term "people must be jealous of me" in your posts as a defense for your machinations, b/c for the life of me I cant ever recall anyone on this site ever using that term to describe themself other than you (other than me in this thread to mock you)

Lets see. You bring up me boasting (bragging) about my success in "my" thread. Let me repeat. MY THREAD! I didn't think anything was wrong with that and that was WHY I said time for me to boast. In a joking manner. I felt if posters would be offended, WHO CARES! Nothing to be offended about.

If you have these issues with me, if you dislike me, hate me, etc, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN OPENING UP MY THREADS! WHY OPEN UP A THREAD POSTED BY SCOTT4USC? Madjack allows 50 freaking threads on front page, and I occupied 1 of the 50 threads. So why did you open it and read it? If you have these issues against me, you wouldn't give a crap about me. YOU WOULD IGNORE ME! If you didn't give a crap about me, you would care less about what I have to say. In other peoples threads, simply IGNORE WHAT I POST! Someone who feels threatened by me or jealous would care. It would bother them.

If I dislike or have issues with someone on this site, I sure as hell would ignore them and not even open there threads. YOU obviously have issues with me. Most of these issues are about conversations we had 3-4 years ago. This doesn't make sense to me.

Now, if you need last word, go for it, b/c after I see it or before, I am going to block you on MJs, b/c honestly, I am embarassed I wasted the time I have debating with you, since I have never once seen you post anything (esp. in hoops) that I found insightful, unbiased, nor useful ...

You should be embarrassed by your actions in this thread. Why didn't you block me or ignore me long time ago if you had these issues? Why do it now and do it publicly? Why not try and resolve this privately (which you never did). That is how a mature person would handle this dilemma.

I don't have any problems with you and I am sorry you have this wrath against me. I am willing to talk this out privately and you know my e-mail address. I would like to resolve this and even become friends again like we used too 3 years ago. You were a very good friend to me online for a long time. I never had any malicious intentions of hurting you. Your actions in this thread came as complete shock to me and I had no idea you were this bitter towards me the last 2-3 years.

If you have no intentions on resolving this dilemma privately, I wish you the best of luck Gregg and hope everything works out great for you. Good luck handicapping as well. You taught me a lot! I also enjoy reading your posts and you are a valuable poster on MJ's. You have a very creative writing style and love your sense of humor. Take care and again I am sorry it had to come this. Hopefully you have a change of heart and we can put this behind us.