Tax filing question

taoist

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BahamaMama said:
i agree fully with the statement that you don't need proof to offset it.


...now, I am no accountant and as an attorney, I do NOT give out tax advice, so this may be worth what you are paying for it, but consider this....

IF you are audited, you WILL have to show proof of your losses and as has been mentioned, under no circumstances will the IRS allow you to deduct more losses than you have gambling winnings. (i.e. You cannot use gambling losses to offset regularly earned income.) But IF you are audited and have to show proof of losses, be careful with regards to the advice to "pick up losing tickets" because I distinctly remember a case we studied in law school (federal tax class) where a gentleman was doing this very thing and he got his ass handed to him on a silver platter..... Now he was just plain stupid and I only relate this story so that no one here makes the same mistake as this fool....

He had picked up a bunch of losing tickets off of the floor at the track and placed them in a shoe box and presented them as proof of his gambling losses; however, upon closer inspection by the IRS, some of the tickets were on different horses in the same race, which is in itself not too uncommon, but the tickets were placed only seconds apart (they are date and time stamped) and from separate windows on opposite ends of the track. The judge threw out ALL of his "claimed losses" and really stuck him with a monstrous tax bill....

Moral of the story.... If you're going to try to pull over some chit on the IRS and you get audited, you damn well better be smart about it and have all of your ducks in a row.

...just some friendly advice at no charge to my friends here at Jack's Place. :)
 

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agree with you 100% Taoist.... IF he is audited, would have to have some sort of proof OR pay tax on the full amount (plus likely a penalty)

but for yyz's case (only $2000) , i don't think it would trigger an audit, and if it did, he could pull out credit card bills and such for the airline tickets.... also just cashing a check at a casino is considered a *loss*

my parents got audited one year when they wrote 54K down to zero, and my dad was scared to death to go in for the audit (as mom was in bad health and couldn't go along, and she was always the one in charge of financial things)

they had received a bill from the IRS saying they owed an additional 22K in taxes and that the audit was scheduled to see if they were correct. his audit lasted a whopping 10 minutes, he just showed them the printout they got from the riverboat that showed the losses, and they said they were wrong, have a nice day :D
 

taoist

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Annie,

...you're probably right about not being audited on such a small amount, but I just wanted to share that story for anyone else that might think about trying to just "pick up losing tickets" and claim them as losses.

Hope that you're having a great time in Vegas.... Now put down the laptop for an hour or two and go have some fun.... That's why you're there, sweetie. :)
 

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ummmm...i'm not there yet .....LOL

i fly out at noon tomorrow, and get back home at 6a.m. the day of the Super Bowl :)

this is about a 10 hour trip for me :(
 

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taoist

I know about those stories. The IRS guy sees a guy with a $20,000 winner at the track, and $20,000 worth of losing tix. The IRS agent says, "So.....you mean to tell me that you have all these losing tickets, but only had one winner?"

You are expected to claim every single wager won and lost, so if you only have one winning ticket for a huge sum, they know they have you.

I want to make sure everyone understands something.

I am not trying to screw the IRS.

I am willing to pay my taxes, but I just want to be able to write off that 2 dimes if I can! Shit, I have lost over 8 grand in Vegas last year, but I don't have any "receipts" for it, as it was mostly table games. Who the hell keeps a detailed journal of that shit, unless they gamble/claim gambling for a living?

I am not trying to pull a fast one, just trying to save a few hundred beans.
 
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