this is the one reason I don't care to watch or get involved in NCAA football. It's so sad that $$ is what this flawed system comes down to. Until it is changed I'll be sticking to NFL and NCAA basketball
TCU v Boise St
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No, because the whole purpose of a non-AQ making a BCS Bowl is to show the AQ schools they can compete with them when given a chance. Placing both non-AQ schools together defeats that purpose. Unfortunately, I see this happening again if two non-AQ schools make it next year.
The BCS does not want another beat down like the one Utah gave Bama last year.
That's thing - the BCS isn't about the non-AQ's. It's the AQ's who bring the funds and the fans. It's pretty hypocritical for both Boise and TCU to be upset with their matchup when that's the same matchup that doesn't make the Florida's, Ohio State's and LSU's all that excited.
Hell of a season for the TCU (hell of a decade actually), but maybe they should focus on getting their attendance up, get to the Big XII or just accept that the BCS games aren't an every year thing for them.
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This is the tip of the iceberg. The same thing happens everywhere in all of our hometowns in every sport. All teams are pigeonholed at the start of a season. 12 year olds, 15 yearolds, high school etc. Teams are placed at one level due to # of students, last years achievements(either over or under) etc. Coaching and talent fluctuation often lead to powerhouses not challenged, and some teams are never given a chance to win.
Like I said this is the tip of the iceberg. Most years a playoff system(in all professional sports) the best games are in the preliminary rounds, not the actual championship game.
Too bad the BCS could not(or will not ) ever see it this way. In my opinion better for fans, players, everyone...
Like I said this is the tip of the iceberg. Most years a playoff system(in all professional sports) the best games are in the preliminary rounds, not the actual championship game.
Too bad the BCS could not(or will not ) ever see it this way. In my opinion better for fans, players, everyone...
You're right. The BCS was created to exclude the non-AQ schools. However, it's become the norm that when a non-AQ school goes undefeated it gets to play an AQ school. This year it's obvious the BCS Bowls colluded to keep that from happening.
Here's where you're wrong though. TCU has a 44K seat stadium. The stadium was built during the time of the SWC. Attendence was never a problem in those days. However, with a small student body and alumni base TCU still averages over 38K for games. Every time they show the empty seats, it's usually the visitor's section. Unfortunately, our opponents only bring 50 to 100 fans. We also have about 3K that stay in the parking lot tailgating. Bad TV scheduling also has affected the attendance. You act like TCU has control over getting the casual fan that has no ties to TCU to go to games.
TCU is not going to be invited into the Big XII or any other AQ conference anytime soon. That is not being discussed anywhere by anyone. I've heard this argument too much. TCU has no control over that and to make it sound like they do is crazy.
No one has to accept anything. That is why changes are made in all aspects of life everyday. TCU is a quality program and has come a long way back from the lean years to being discussed nationally again. Do you really think TCU wants to just sit back and accept the way things are when they were so close to playing for a national championship? Get real.
TCU -8 and over 54 (5 units)
I'm going to AZ! :toast:
some ramblings on this subject. i've been blowing off steam on this matchup for 2 days now, and i still don't feel any better about it.
no doubt boise and tcu got jobbed by playing each other. for the 2nd year in a row. i don't know how to set up a poll here, but someone should start one... which game would you rather see for the NC? bama/texas or bama/tcu?
i didn't watch it, but my friend told me you could just see the crushing disappointment from tcu when it was announced they were playing boise again. i can't imagine boise was much more excited.
i was hoping that the voters would have the cojones to do the right thing, and bump texas far enough down to ensure they didn't play for the NC. they only played two teams with a defense all year; oklahoma held them to 16 and nebraska held them to 13. they needed a kick out of bounds and a last-second field goal to beat a nebraska team with a pop warner offense. in fact, i would love to see them play tcu. what would the line in THAT game be?
oh well, the powers that be in college football don't understand that, in grabbing more dollars in the short-term, they are hurting the sport for the long-term. and no, they are far from the only sport that has that problem.
you know what argument i haven't heard this year? 'if tcu played in a bcs conference, they wouldn't be undefeated.' in the old days, there may have been some merit to those arguments. but you don't think tcu would have gone undefeated in the big 12 this year? or the big east? hahahahahahaha the big east. maybe soon they will lose their automatic bcs berth to the mountain west.
i'm just about the last person to convert to this line of thinking, but they need to switch to a playoff system now. they'll still screw that up, but they gotta give teams like tcu and boise a chance to play for the championship.
back to the original topic, if you want to read a hilarious take on it, go to www.sportspickle.com. that is dj gallo's website (he's on espn.com's page 2 all the time). he has a great article called something like 'tcu and boise state to play in the fuckyou.com bowl.' that pretty much sums it up.
no doubt boise and tcu got jobbed by playing each other. for the 2nd year in a row. i don't know how to set up a poll here, but someone should start one... which game would you rather see for the NC? bama/texas or bama/tcu?
i didn't watch it, but my friend told me you could just see the crushing disappointment from tcu when it was announced they were playing boise again. i can't imagine boise was much more excited.
i was hoping that the voters would have the cojones to do the right thing, and bump texas far enough down to ensure they didn't play for the NC. they only played two teams with a defense all year; oklahoma held them to 16 and nebraska held them to 13. they needed a kick out of bounds and a last-second field goal to beat a nebraska team with a pop warner offense. in fact, i would love to see them play tcu. what would the line in THAT game be?
oh well, the powers that be in college football don't understand that, in grabbing more dollars in the short-term, they are hurting the sport for the long-term. and no, they are far from the only sport that has that problem.
you know what argument i haven't heard this year? 'if tcu played in a bcs conference, they wouldn't be undefeated.' in the old days, there may have been some merit to those arguments. but you don't think tcu would have gone undefeated in the big 12 this year? or the big east? hahahahahahaha the big east. maybe soon they will lose their automatic bcs berth to the mountain west.
i'm just about the last person to convert to this line of thinking, but they need to switch to a playoff system now. they'll still screw that up, but they gotta give teams like tcu and boise a chance to play for the championship.
back to the original topic, if you want to read a hilarious take on it, go to www.sportspickle.com. that is dj gallo's website (he's on espn.com's page 2 all the time). he has a great article called something like 'tcu and boise state to play in the fuckyou.com bowl.' that pretty much sums it up.
First problem with your theory of Texas falling out and TCU going to the title game is an obvious one. CINCY FINISHED 3rd in BCS Standings not TCU so how would Texas falling down because of voters benefit TCU?
This will NEVER happen since we all know it makes to much sense and it is also about one thing:$$$$$.
The attendance and tv deals in the Big East dwarf that of the Mountain West.
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The prevailing thought (based on tv and newspaper media) is that TCU would have inherited UT's votes if they lost. So, the short answer is we really don't know.
I agree with part of the tv deal part, but not attendence. The stadium sizes are close and I'll give you an example about attendence. TCU's stadium holds 44K +. The average attendence is 38K. If they had Cincy's stadium size, it would be a sellout every week. Don't be deceived when they show the visitors section on tv of TCU's stadium. The west side of the stands are full.
Louisville 42K
Cincy 35K
WVa 60K
UConn 44K
Pitt 64k
Syracuse 49K
S Fl 44K
Rutgers 52K
TCU 44K
Co St 34K
SDSt 71K
UNLV 36K
Wyo 33K
Air Force 52K
BYU 65K
Utah 45K
New Mex 40K
Boise St isn't a joke. I think they are going to win the game LOL
Their offense is efficient, and their defense is solid, not great, but still solid.
Their offense is efficient, and their defense is solid, not great, but still solid.
Those stats are what the stadium holds. Here is what actually shows.
Over 52K in actual attendance for the league each home week adds up to quite a bit of extra revenue.
Not as big a difference as the other BCS conferences though. Also remember the other teams that were in the Big East before joining the ACC is the reason the Big East has the bid.
Who knows maybe they should add MWC instead of a At-Large.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/Attendance/2008.pdf
