tcu vs. utah-3

[johnnyb.]

can horned frogs afford to lose again in conference? byu kicked their ass last week, quite easily too.
utah also got their ass handed to them by boise st. and both their QB.'s had 4 INT's... on the positve, they completed 8 passes! whoopie.

both teams are calling this their season deciding game??? tcu is great on defense but the offense is weak and now i read that starting RB. is out for game.
i am quite familiar with utes as they played my bruins in the 1st game, defense is strong up-front but lacks over all team speed. but with the QB & RB out, it will help them tremendously.
tcu is the better team but is on the road (altitude) so please give me your opinions.
lean tcu +3:shrug:

 

[bryanz]

can horned frogs afford to lose again in conference? byu kicked their ass last week, quite easily too.
utah also got their ass handed to them by boise st. and both their QB.'s had 4 INT's... on the positve, they completed 8 passes! whoopie.

both teams are calling this their season deciding game??? tcu is great on defense but the offense is weak and now i read that starting RB. is out for game.
i am quite familiar with utes as they played my bruins in the 1st game, defense is strong up-front but lacks over all team speed. but with the QB & RB out, it will help them tremendously.
tcu is the better team but is on the road (altitude) so please give me your opinions.
lean tcu +3:shrug:

I backed BYU last wk, didn't think they would win as easy as they did. I think Tcu is the better team but the big question is , how will they rebound now that the season that they hoped for is over ? The BYU loss was a huge let down for this program.

 

[joefrog91]

TCU is in the same position they were in last year. A big win, followed by an upexpected loss; QB is hurt, but playing; starting RB is out due to injury and they are playing on the road.

Last year, TCU was able to rebound and win out. As I said in my own thread, Ballard will start at QB, but Marcus Jackson should play if Ballard struggles. Not having Aarron Brown at RB hurts, but Lonta Hobbs showed some of his old strong running in the BYU game. TCU just didn't stick with it.

I put a lot of money down on my Frogs. I have TCU pk; TCU +3 and the ML.

 

[DeadPrez]

The turnover situation for both of these teams, especially Utah is throwing me for a bit of a loop. First let me say that I would lean on Utah based on the line movement. This line opened up at TCU -2.5 and now has moved all the way to Utah -2.5.

Now to the turnovers:

In their loss last week TCU had -2 in turnovers. Now I don't know how significant of an effect that had on the outcome because I was unable to watch the game. I would assume it was pretty significant.

Utah is the one that throws me off a bit. They were terrible last week against Boise St. and they got blown out, but they were only -1 in the turnover department. Not a lofty number that would justify losing like that @ home in a game they were favored in.

This is the thing, how would Utah have really performed against their two prior weeks opponent if the didn't rack up positive turnovers against them? In a 38-7 win over SDSU they had +3 turnovers and in a 48-0 win over Utah St. they had +5 in turnovers. They also were -3 in turnovers in a 31-10 loss to UCLA. You could assume that all of these games could have been much closer if the turnovers were near even. You watched that game Johnnyb, did Utah -3 turnovers vs UCLA cost them the game or were they simply outclassed?

Will the real Utah Utes please stand up? I guess the closest they have come to playing a game where the turnovers didn't have a huge affect on the outcome would be last week against Boise St when they were only -1 and they got hammered.

That assumption doesn't bode well for playing a superior team this week in TCU which is coming off of a loss. When I say superior I am saying that TCU is better than Boise St IMO.

Hard not to like TCU in this spot but that line movement is large in their favor could be an attempt by the books to bait TCU action. The public is heavier on the Horned Frogs right now, but the % is dropping. Last nite TCU was getting about 75% of the action and now they are only gettig about 66% of the action.

Tough game to figure out as far as a side, I do like the under tho.

good luck

 

[johnnyb.]

[ You watched that game Johnnyb, did Utah -3 turnovers vs UCLA cost them the game or were they simply outclassed?

yes the turnovers cost them the game as utah had momentum and coaching staff switched QB. (grady). his 2nd pass was picked off for an INT TD. it completely demoralized utes. game over.

going with tcu, kinda convinced by joefrog:toast:

small play.

 

[bryanz]

TCU is in the same position they were in last year. A big win, followed by an upexpected loss; QB is hurt, but playing; starting RB is out due to injury and they are playing on the road.

Last year, TCU was able to rebound and win out. As I said in my own thread, Ballard will start at QB, but Marcus Jackson should play if Ballard struggles. Not having Aarron Brown at RB hurts, but Lonta Hobbs showed some of his old strong running in the BYU game. TCU just didn't stick with it.

I put a lot of money down on my Frogs. I have TCU pk; TCU +3 and the ML.

You seem to know this TCU team, how would you compare this yrs team to last yrs , what about the leadership ? thanks if you can help.

 

[joefrog91]

You seem to know this TCU team, how would you compare this yrs team to last yrs , what about the leadership ? thanks if you can help.

The biggest difference this year is the young OL. I believe that is why Ballard hasn't looked the same in the pocket as last year. He's had to scramble more and throw away passes when there are open receivers down field.

All of the big leadership is on the defensive side of the ball. The return of Lonta Hobbs at RB is a big boost and the reason I believe the Frogs win tonight. TCU needs to use him a lot to control the clock and grind down the Utah defense. Detrick James, Joseph Turner and Justin Watts should relieve Hobbs when he is winded. James has the most playing time of the back-ups.

Hope this helps.

 

[treynolds]

I think both teams are able to capitalize on mistakes, and the game goes o/40. After watching utah over the last year i could never justify laying points with them, they are pathetic on both sides of the ball.

 

[Cellular18]

TCU is in the same position they were in last year. A big win, followed by an upexpected loss; QB is hurt, but playing; starting RB is out due to injury and they are playing on the road.

Last year, TCU was able to rebound and win out. As I said in my own thread, Ballard will start at QB, but Marcus Jackson should play if Ballard struggles. Not having Aarron Brown at RB hurts, but Lonta Hobbs showed some of his old strong running in the BYU game. TCU just didn't stick with it.

I put a lot of money down on my Frogs. I have TCU pk; TCU +3 and the ML.

Frog,

Do you favor the under in this game? Just curious.

 

[joefrog91]

I do now after hearing it's raining and windy in SLC. I put a small play on the under. I see a 21 - 10 type game.

 

[bryanz]

The biggest difference this year is the young OL. I believe that is why Ballard hasn't looked the same in the pocket as last year. He's had to scramble more and throw away passes when there are open receivers down field.

All of the big leadership is on the defensive side of the ball. The return of Lonta Hobbs at RB is a big boost and the reason I believe the Frogs win tonight. TCU needs to use him a lot to control the clock and grind down the Utah defense. Detrick James, Joseph Turner and Justin Watts should relieve Hobbs when he is winded. James has the most playing time of the back-ups.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info, great insight, I went with Utah, you seem to know this TCU team and I get a feeling that you are hoping for a win, not sure if you think they can win. May the best team win.

 

[joefrog91]

Thanks for the info, great insight, I went with Utah, you seem to know this TCU team and I get a feeling that you are hoping for a win, not sure if you think they can win. May the best team win.

Don't blame you. Maybe you're right.

 

[joefrog91]

Wasn't our night. Congrats to all on Utah.