Ted Thompson is a complete Idiot

[rusty]

Jack:

Normally I'd agree with this approach, but....

1. Everything I read, the Packers forced Brett to make a decision before he was ready - so it was like, fine, I retire. If given the proper time (in Brett's mind at least), he very likely would have never retired.

2. When you run a business, and IF you are accountable to the bottom line of the business (which obviously TT is not), you do not let the an employee of this magnitude go.

Favre was 2nd in MVP voting in 2007. Which is the same thing in many ways of saying he was the 2nd best player in the business in 2007.

That "employee" was largely responsible for 13-3 last year.

That same team this year is 5-10 - mostly because they did not have a game tested replacement.

Show me a fortune 500 company that fires the 2nd best worker in their industry and replaces him with a rookie? And then has the predictible collapse in their business as the Packers did.

The Packers being 5-10 this year is no surprise to many of us in Packer Country. Most thought with Favre this year we'd probably be 10-6 or 11-5, due to the more difficult schedule.

With Rodgers, most people predicted 8-8 or so - and it has been even worse, due to other TT issues - which have been detailed above. Believe it or not, our punter even costs us games - when TT waived the dependable Jon Ryan 3 days before the season started for the bumb Scott Frost - who they finally waived 3 weeks ago (without even having a replacement yet - he was that bad).

In real business, TT would be canned immediately for destroying a profitable business and losing the 2nd best employee in the business (as of 2007).

But in the NFL - well, they certainly do not worry about running their teams like a business. Which is why GB has one of the lowest total salaries in the NFL (well below the cap), but a season ticketholder waiting list that is like 30 years long.

The revenue comes in and it really doesn't matter about the product of the field.

When it comes to TT, it is not all about the Packers, it is all about TT's ego.

Which is why that dumba** should be canned ASAP.

I'm not convinced we have a QB - see the article that I posted below. Most of the comments view Rodgers as a below average starting QB, with not much room to grow and litte upside.

Time will tell.Numbers are just that numbers.
I noticed that Cassel was nowhere near the list.
Safe to say that hes got alot coming his way this offseason.

The Yankees just spent 400+million on salaries.
Does that guarentee a WS??No.
Time will tell about Rodgers(I had him for fantasy ,and believe me hes produced this year.

Grant has not produced this season peariod.
RBs are not judged by 1000s anymore,but close to 1500 to be considered productive.
But then again White of Tenn. had like 600,but scored over 10td so whats your point.

Numbers are just that numbers.Its hard to compare against others when some are injured,or play for better teams.

Really dont see where your going with this.
Scouts have been wrong before.

 

[Mags]

Rusty - just sayin' the overwhelming evidence - team record, not being able to lead the team in the 4th quarter - the scouts' views on Rodgers

Just supports what I've been saying all along. And you point is "scouts have been wrong before" just doesn't cut it.

I don't think Rogers is the answer at QB. I think the Packers would have made the playoffs this year if we still had Favre. And I don't think Rodgers ever goes to a Pro Bowl, unless he buys his own ticket to the game.

The title of this thread is "TT is an idiot". Many have agreed with this point. The biggest blunder was Favre for TT, but certainly not the only one.

It is frustrating going into a season, as the Packers did this year, realizing we would be longshots at best to make the playoffs, espeically coming off a 13-3 season.

I guess I do know now what it feels like to be a Detroit Lions fan......

But it has been an interesting discussion, to say the least.

 

[bleedingpurple]

MAGS-- I have to disagree with you on this point. Grant has had a bad season. There were so many games this season when he was not existent. 1100 yards should not be difficult to obtain when you are a starting running back..

Also, you maybe in denial of the many other deficiencies your team has do to lack of depth and injuries. You forget how much better the defense was last year. Teams are running through them like swiss cheese.

Scored 31 against Carolina and lost.. Not Rodgers fault.

The Atlanta loss was not Rodgers fault. The D couldn't stop them from the start.

The Viking loss was not his fault.. He was running for his life and they still had a chance to win with a late FG but the Vikes dominated the pack statistically. Frerotte threw 3 bad picks.

Saints- Rodgers did throw a couple of picks but the D had no answer for Brees.

Houston Texans- Rodgers can be blamed for that a little but the D gave up 560 yard. The pack were only in it because the Texans fumbled so many times inside the red zone.

Chicago Bears.. Well Rodgers got them into FG range and it got blocked. Play calling was terribel when the Pack had first and goal from the 5 in the fourth quarter.

Remember the Pack had a tremendous pass rush that turned obsolete this year and remember last year the Pack got the bounces to go their way in the first 8 games that didn't happen this year.. I said that I would of kept Favre but I can't blame Rodgers at all for the teams poor performance. I will blame Ted Thompson for reasons I stated before and doesn't McCarthy have to share some of the blame too. Just my thoughts. I do follow the Pack too.

 

[Mags]

The Yankees just spent 400+million on salaries.
Does that guarentee a WS??No.

Grant has not produced this season peariod.
RBs are not judged by 1000s anymore,but close to 1500 to be considered productive.
But then again White of Tenn. had like 600,but scored over 10td so whats your point.

1. True, money spent does not guarantee you a championship - just that you will probably be competing for one. I think the saying is "Salary spent does not guarantee a championship, but not spending money on salaries pretty much guarantees that you won't win one".

2. Grant is 9th in the league. If your argument regarding 1,500 yards is valid, then that is saying there was only ONE running back in the league this year that was productive in your mind: Adrian Peterson.

Only 1 back in the league was productive? Wow.

 

[Mags]

MAGS-- I have to disagree with you on this point. Grant has had a bad season. There were so many games this season when he was not existent. 1100 yards should not be difficult to obtain when you are a starting running back..

Also, you maybe in denial of the many other deficiencies your team has do to lack of depth and injuries. You forget how much better the defense was last year. Teams are running through them like swiss cheese.

Scored 31 against Carolina and lost.. Not Rodgers fault.

The Atlanta loss was not Rodgers fault. The D couldn't stop them from the start.

The Viking loss was not his fault.. He was running for his life and they still had a chance to win with a late FG but the Vikes dominated the pack statistically. Frerotte threw 3 bad picks.

Saints- Rodgers did throw a couple of picks but the D had no answer for Brees.

Houston Texans- Rodgers can be blamed for that a little but the D gave up 560 yard. The pack were only in it because the Texans fumbled so many times inside the red zone.

Chicago Bears.. Well Rodgers got them into FG range and it got blocked. Play calling was terribel when the Pack had first and goal from the 5 in the fourth quarter.

Remember the Pack had a tremendous pass rush that turned obsolete this year and remember last year the Pack got the bounces to go their way in the first 8 games that didn't happen this year.. I said that I would of kept Favre but I can't blame Rodgers at all for the teams poor performance. I will blame Ted Thompson for reasons I stated before and doesn't McCarthy have to share some of the blame too. Just my thoughts. I do follow the Pack too.

Bleeding:

Some very good points. Yes, McCarthy is to blame also.

Why do you say 1100 is easy to achieve being a starting running back? There is only 8 RB in the league with more yards rushing. There are 32 teams...... if it is so easy, wouldn't there by 24 rushers with that type of yardage?

But you have to be able to win the high scoring games too. Just because you give up 20 points on defense, you can't give the QB a pass.

Many NFL games come down to who has the ball last on their last drive (which is why point spreads are predominately 7 or less). The good QB's win those type of games - the rest don't.

We didn't win a single one of those 8 winnable games in 2008. You'd think you'd get lucky and win one. You should win at least 1/2 of those in my opinion.

If Rodgers was able to do, the Packers would be 9-6 right now and TT, while still taking heat for the other dumb stuff he did, woudn't be blamed for throwing the season with the QB change.

 

[rusty]

To prove the numbers theory as BS.

Arron Rodgers in top 10 in these catagorys.

9th in completions(320)
7th in Yards Passing(3730)
6th in TD Passes(25)

Threw 13 interceptions .

4 QBS who are rated higher in your so-called scouts pt of view are-\\ who threw more are:

Big Ben
Drew Brees
Jay Cutler
Farve(We Know that:142smilie )

 

[rusty]

Rusty - just sayin' the overwhelming evidence - team record, not being able to lead the team in the 4th quarter - the scouts' views on Rodgers

Just supports what I've been saying all along. And you point is "scouts have been wrong before" just doesn't cut it.

I don't think Rogers is the answer at QB. I think the Packers would have made the playoffs this year if we still had Favre. And I don't think Rodgers ever goes to a Pro Bowl, unless he buys his own ticket to the game.

The title of this thread is "TT is an idiot". Many have agreed with this point. The biggest blunder was Favre for TT, but certainly not the only one.

It is frustrating going into a season, as the Packers did this year, realizing we would be longshots at best to make the playoffs, espeically coming off a 13-3 season.

I guess I do know now what it feels like to be a Detroit Lions fan......

But it has been an interesting discussion, to say the least.

Thats fine TT is a idiot,just dont take down Rodgers with him.Look at his stats man come on....!!!!!!! Your pissed at TT,now cause of Farve its Rodgers fault to.... Thats not right.

Sounds to me he could of trown for 80 TDS and that wouldnt be good enough.Hes put up great,yes great first year numbers and thats not good enough.Thats not right.

 

[yyz]

Last year, GB was an 8-8, maybe 9-7 team that was given a lot of games.

This season, they were an 8-8 maybe 9-7 team that gave away those games.

 

[Mags]

Thats fine TT is a idiot,just dont take down Rodgers with him.Look at his stats man come on....!!!!!!! Your pissed at TT,now cause of Farve its Rodgers fault to.... Thats not right.

Sounds to me he could of trown for 80 TDS and that wouldnt be good enough.Hes put up great,yes great first year numbers and thats not good enough.Thats not right.

Rusty - I understand your view - your are looking at fantasy numbers - which are nice, but they don't win ballgames.

While the QB isn't the only factor in a team's record, he is a driving factor.

Does he win games? Does he rally the team to win in the 4th quarter?

This year at least, both answers are a very loud NO CHANCE.

Will that change in the future? Maybe - but TT will have to spend some money to improve the team, because we won't be able to rely on the QB to win games for us (just like the scout said - Rodgers won't win games for you or lose them - basically a game manager).

I put a lot of stock in what the scouts say - they do this for a living, and we just banter about it on MJ's - all in good fun of course.

Merry Xmas to you and your family!

 

[Mags]

Last year, GB was an 8-8, maybe 9-7 team that was given a lot of games.

This season, they were an 8-8 maybe 9-7 team that gave away those games.

I'm proud of you YYZ - a post with no personal attacks! Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks

Merry Xmas to you and your famiily!

 

[IntenseOperator]

I'm proud of you YYZ - a post with no personal attacks! Who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks

I'm tearing down the alter as we speak

 

[rusty]

Rusty - I understand your view - your are looking at fantasy numbers - which are nice, but they don't win ballgames.

While the QB isn't the only factor in a team's record, he is a driving factor.

Does he win games? Does he rally the team to win in the 4th quarter?

This year at least, both answers are a very loud NO CHANCE.

Will that change in the future? Maybe - but TT will have to spend some money to improve the team, because we won't be able to rely on the QB to win games for us (just like the scout said - Rodgers won't win games for you or lose them - basically a game manager).

I put a lot of stock in what the scouts say - they do this for a living, and we just banter about it on MJ's - all in good fun of course.

Merry Xmas to you and your family!

Mags.You gotta get beyound the Farve Issue and move ahead.Brady would of never won all those SBS if he didnt have a winning team around him.
Brady is a great QB,but his numbers last year were out of the norm cause of his supporting cast.

Spending money is great.But make sure you spend it on players that canplay.If not it wont matter.How many OT games have the Packers lost this year??I can count 4 on top of my head.

Id chaulk that up to not knowing how to win.And sure maybe Rodgers had some of that lack of knowledge to win games,its his first friggin year playing.Fantasy numbers wernt what I was reading(OK they were of yahoo,but) there were his stats in the league as a QB.

About scouts.Scouts are not perfect.(see Wes Welker).To say a scout(s) has a player pegged is just absurd.Tell me the combines matter anymore .Interestingly you mentioned that one scout had Rodgers pegged at number 11.

Im willing to say hes probably the one thats correct of all of them.Mark my words .With the talent at WR and with Rodgers consistantcy theres nowhere else to go but up.

Cassel vs Rodgers who had the better overall more consistant year??Id say Rodgers based on he was more consistant.Who seasons been better??NE based on they have the better overall player personnel.Im trying to help you see the overall pitchure.Your thinking is being disrupted cause of the issues with TT and the handling of the Farve issue.Once you getter over that and take a closer look at where this teams strenths and weaknesss are you can finally see thing the way they really are.

Merry Christmas and Peace !