I will assume that when you say this you would leave Texas Tech out of this over-generalization. Their offensive scheme is extremely complicated. They also didn't seem to have much trouble against Cal who actually outplayed your boys last year.Scott4USC said:
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Okie State throttled UCLA throwing all of 6 passes. Thta would be the 5th place team in the Big 12 South v the that had USC on the ropes. Tech had bout 6 running plays against Cal. We know how that turned out.
You dont have to be complicated if the other team cant stop it.
You dont have to be complicated if the other team cant stop it.
Scott4USC said:
With posts like this, you simply emphasize the notions that you only know and care about USC football. All your arguments, even those about NBA BASKETBALL, revolve in some way about USC football. You have shown me very little undestanding of any other sport or team, yet people continue to engage you in these discussions, in which you invariably post some long ramble in which you throw out some comparison to USC. You can do whatever, and think whatever, you want, but frankly these posts are annoying and if you wonder why people get annoyed with you, then read some of the stuff you write. A few futures wins on USC (who is your FAVORITE TEAM) do you not make you a college football or future's authority.
FOCUS: Yes, we know USC has won the NT two years in a row. USC is an atypical Pac 10 team. The rest of the Pac 10 has been a pile of crap over the last several years. There is no way that you can say that there are "uncomplicated" schemes in the Big 12 as compared to the Pac 10 based on the results of a game involving USC, a team that does not represent the rest of the conference. Sun Tzu's post was right on when comparing the UCLA-OkSt and Cal-TT games.
The Judge
I was speaking about the Pac 10 in general as well as the Big 12.
Sun Tzu
Yes those are 2 examples supporting your argument but OSU clearly had advantage playing UCLA. OSU great OL and rushing attack and UCLA losing there 6 best DL from last year. YES, UCLA lost there top 6 DL. No wonder OSU did not have to throw the ball.
Same with Texas Tech playing CAL. Was was not a healthy team the last 3 games of year AND bowl game. Not to mention they did want to be at there bowl game. I think CAL was without there 2 best WR's against Texas Tech along with other injuries.
Bombs
I don't care what people think. I don't just throw out my opinion. I always explain myself. If you don't like it, then that is your problem. NOT MINE!
You obviously did not read my post carefully. I used USC as an example because USC was the #1 Pac 10 team and OU was the #1 Big 12 team. Both were healthy coming into OB (except USC had injured White). It is a PERFECT example. Both teams highly motivated etc. OU defense (from the Big 12) looked CLUELESS out there. THey looked like they NEVER seen a sophisticated "balanced" offense before. I don't "think" the Big 12 prepared OU well to play USC.
As I mentioned, other Pac 10 defenses who only had week to prepare, were much more effective and USC did not have there way.
Sorry if you have a problem with someone "USING" examples to support there opinion. ALL my examples do support my opinion. Not saying my opinion is right or a fact.
I do notice that you like to throw out your opinion but not back it up with analysis. You also like to attack others. For example you tout you like the Suns to win the NBA championship and you say you have futures on them. I don't remember one detailed post about why you liked the Suns to win all. But you sure as hell let everyone know. What did anybody learn from that? You criticize others opinions but you never back up yours! Unless I missed the post where you posted Suns future and analysis supporting it. Pretty lame to criticize others who express there opinion and provide analysis supporting it when YOU don't.
I say this all the time. Madjack allows 50 threads in a forum. This is 1 thread out of 50. If you find my posts annoying or worthless you have 2 options. Simply ignore my posts OR simply don't open this thread. I have nothing against you, and do enjoy interacting with you. You have some funny lines. But I cannot help it if you have a problem with me. I have done nothing wrong and will not change.
I was speaking about the Pac 10 in general as well as the Big 12.
Sun Tzu
Yes those are 2 examples supporting your argument but OSU clearly had advantage playing UCLA. OSU great OL and rushing attack and UCLA losing there 6 best DL from last year. YES, UCLA lost there top 6 DL. No wonder OSU did not have to throw the ball.
Same with Texas Tech playing CAL. Was was not a healthy team the last 3 games of year AND bowl game. Not to mention they did want to be at there bowl game. I think CAL was without there 2 best WR's against Texas Tech along with other injuries. Bombs
I don't care what people think. I don't just throw out my opinion. I always explain myself. If you don't like it, then that is your problem. NOT MINE!
You obviously did not read my post carefully. I used USC as an example because USC was the #1 Pac 10 team and OU was the #1 Big 12 team. Both were healthy coming into OB (except USC had injured White). It is a PERFECT example. Both teams highly motivated etc. OU defense (from the Big 12) looked CLUELESS out there. THey looked like they NEVER seen a sophisticated "balanced" offense before. I don't "think" the Big 12 prepared OU well to play USC.
As I mentioned, other Pac 10 defenses who only had week to prepare, were much more effective and USC did not have there way.
Sorry if you have a problem with someone "USING" examples to support there opinion. ALL my examples do support my opinion. Not saying my opinion is right or a fact.
I do notice that you like to throw out your opinion but not back it up with analysis. You also like to attack others. For example you tout you like the Suns to win the NBA championship and you say you have futures on them. I don't remember one detailed post about why you liked the Suns to win all. But you sure as hell let everyone know. What did anybody learn from that? You criticize others opinions but you never back up yours! Unless I missed the post where you posted Suns future and analysis supporting it. Pretty lame to criticize others who express there opinion and provide analysis supporting it when YOU don't.
I say this all the time. Madjack allows 50 threads in a forum. This is 1 thread out of 50. If you find my posts annoying or worthless you have 2 options. Simply ignore my posts OR simply don't open this thread. I have nothing against you, and do enjoy interacting with you. You have some funny lines. But I cannot help it if you have a problem with me. I have done nothing wrong and will not change.
For the record, I debated many points with you on the Suns-Spurs series, and did not throw out just my futures side. Likewise, what you consider your "analysis" is usually just long winded opinion. I don't take myself so seriously that I consider my opinion regarding teams/matchups as "analysis" as you do.
Scott4USC---
Stick by your guns man.
Debating is what college football is all about in May.
I know that you know your NCAA stuff.No need to defend it.
Fact is other than a few teams the Big12 and Pac10 sucked last year.
Oregon lost at home to freakin IU.
KSU was destroyed at home by Fresno.
Neb. lost at home to freakin So. Miss.
The 2nd tier teams of the 2 conferences stunk this season.
These 2 conferences were about 4 and 5 for best conferences top to bottom.
Nobody has talked about the TOPIC: TEXAS-OSU in the last 10 posts.
How did we get to where this thread is??
Talking Pac10 now NBA???
Stick by your guns man.
Debating is what college football is all about in May.
I know that you know your NCAA stuff.No need to defend it.
Fact is other than a few teams the Big12 and Pac10 sucked last year.
Oregon lost at home to freakin IU.
KSU was destroyed at home by Fresno.
Neb. lost at home to freakin So. Miss.
The 2nd tier teams of the 2 conferences stunk this season.
These 2 conferences were about 4 and 5 for best conferences top to bottom.
Nobody has talked about the TOPIC: TEXAS-OSU in the last 10 posts.
How did we get to where this thread is??
Talking Pac10 now NBA???
Scott don't pass out when I say this. I agree with you 1000% on Young. I could complete a higher % of his typical completions with my eyes closed. The kid is an OVERRATED QB. He is a poor man's Michael Vick.
Stoops could have his worst team ever & still beat Brown & company. Please tell me how many teams have won by playing not to lose. The last team I recall doing that was Ohio State but lets be honest they were the luckiest team in terms of bounces their way I've ever seen in ANY sport.
If Ohio State had a legitimate offense, they would beat Texas EASILY by double digits.
I also agree with Scott on why he hasn't built a better offense. The defense is lights out but you can't always depend on your defense to bail you out from poor offensive play.
Stoops could have his worst team ever & still beat Brown & company. Please tell me how many teams have won by playing not to lose. The last team I recall doing that was Ohio State but lets be honest they were the luckiest team in terms of bounces their way I've ever seen in ANY sport.
If Ohio State had a legitimate offense, they would beat Texas EASILY by double digits.
I also agree with Scott on why he hasn't built a better offense. The defense is lights out but you can't always depend on your defense to bail you out from poor offensive play.
Like most, I like Ohio State in Columbus. Mack Brown in a big game is not a good combination.
Ohio State is loaded with athletes, but I don't see them ever having a wide-open Offense under Tressel. What is interesting is the Buckeye running game has not been very good of late and may be questionable this year as well. The Defense should be great, however.
Nugent was huge, as was mentioned. I think Ohio State wins this game, but I see them losing down the road. They will have a number of close games and kicking will be a factor.
I agree that Young is over-hyped. Without Benson, Texas may rely more on passing. I don't see Texas running on Ohio State.
Ohio State is loaded with athletes, but I don't see them ever having a wide-open Offense under Tressel. What is interesting is the Buckeye running game has not been very good of late and may be questionable this year as well. The Defense should be great, however.
Nugent was huge, as was mentioned. I think Ohio State wins this game, but I see them losing down the road. They will have a number of close games and kicking will be a factor.
I agree that Young is over-hyped. Without Benson, Texas may rely more on passing. I don't see Texas running on Ohio State.
Mr Hockey said:
Wow, must have been a lot of luck being the only 14-0 team in history and beating the 'unbeatable dynasty' for the NC. Pure luck.
As for all the comments about OSU's offense? Like others mentioned, it will open up this year. It won't be high-flying, but it will be better. They return 18 of 22 starters from a good team last year whose 'weak' offense shredded Michigan and Kansas State to finish the season.
Texas should be very good this year, and obviously *could* win this game, but I agree with Sun Tzu and the others. No possible way Texas should be favored in Columbus. Pick at worst, but should be more like OSU -1 1/2 or 2.
kosar said:
You have to admit that team while winning it all, had alot of things go their way. It seems when they needed a call or a play to bounce their way it did. I'm sure even diehard Buckeye fans would admit that. I'm not saying take away their title though.
Ohio State should be atleast -3 in this game.
Mr Hockey said:
Well sure, when they needed a play they made a play. That's not luck. Some people make it seem like they won eight of those games by last second missed 21 yard field goals for a win by the opponent or a fumble on a kneel down by opponent as they're running out the clock or whatever.
As far as 'calls' go, there is only one all season that could even be questioned and that of course is the interference call in the end zone in the NC game. It seemed more dramatic/questionable because it was delayed a few seconds. But if you actually look at the replay, Gambles jersey was about ripped he was held so bad.
We also forget that OSU got called for a very questionable intereference call in overtime as well.
Maybe a little lucky that Mcgahee got hurt and wasn't available for the overtimes, as Payton was not effective.
But overall, they outplayed Miami in the game and deserved to win.
Well when I meant calls, I was thinking more along the lines of some of the questionable ones in wins against Northwestern, Cincinnati, etc for instance.
Mr Hockey said:
You are a very smart man Mr. Hockey!
I believe Young had Cedric Benson at running back last year. So if both of us think he is a below average QB (not athlete) then he will have an even tougher time competing this year.
Texas is a team you can outcoach because there is very little coaching @Texas. As you said, coaching not to lose vs coaching to win makes big difference. Texas clearly plays not to lose and tries to win with talent alone.
If Ohio St. had a legitimate offense, they would not only be beating Texas by double digits, they be competing for National Titles. They also would not have to rely on luck (or fortunate events) to win games. (or NC's)
The year OSU won the NC they have MULTIPLE fortunate events happen. I think to win a National Championship you need fortunate events to happen in maybe 1 or 2 games. Very rarely can a team win out in convincing fashion. The year Ohio St. won the National Championship, I think they needed fortunate events to happen in 6-8 games and some against piss poor competition. They also needed fortunate events (multiple events) to beat Miami in championship game. Simply put, IMO OSU was lucky to win the National Championship that year!
