Texas Vaults Past USC In Latest BCS Poll

[Scott4USC]

not to get tangled in any heated debates, but Georgia did have THEN #18 Boise St. to open the season which has unfortunately turned out to be a joke.

5 wins over top 20 teams (does it matter if they are OOC?) is a pretty good year. This is assuming that Bama makes it to SECC in the top 20.

Just a thought.

SEC teams are ALWAYS ranked higher than they should. Every pre-season there are 5 SEC teams in the top 25. Since the conf. motto is play easy OOC AND @home, it takes 4 weeks into the season for the elite teams to start facing adversity. During the middle of the season, you get $hit load of SEC teams in the top 25. Wins/Losses gets you ranked. Not as miuch weight on who you play or where you play.

TN is in the top 25 despite being 3-3. Why? They should be on the outside looking in because of their strong SOS. Otherwise they should be nowhere near the top 25.

My opinion is UGA schedule before the season was a strong schedule. Like you said, BSU is tough team, but only @BSU. UGA made BSU come to UGA. Not so tough. G-Tech I thought would be a very good team and they are UGA rivals. Tough game. So the schedule was more than ok with me. Why did UGA schedule Louisiana Monroe? UGA is an elite program in the country. No business playing crap teams.Texas scheduled Ohio St. @Ohio St. which is tougher than BSU, G-Tech, and La. Monroe. Georgia could have played USC or Washington St. this season as both teams were looking for an OOC opponent. USC got Fresno St. and WSU got some $hit school because nobody wanted to play WSU. Both werre looking for opponents and nobody came calling.

 

[Agent 0659]

Look at the discrepancy of where Notre Dame is in the unbiased BCS vs the other rankings. 15th in the BCS and 9th and 10th in the others :mj07:

 

[Scott4USC]

Look at the discrepancy of where Notre Dame is in the unbiased BCS vs the other rankings. 15th in the BCS and 9th and 10th in the others :mj07:

I have to defend ND on this one.

ND lost to Michigan St. in OT the week after beating 2nd rival Michigan @Michigan. The other ND loss was to the #1 team in the country (USC) which literally came down to the last second.

ND played 4 of their first 5 games on the road!!! All against "name" schools.

BCS has a 2 loss ND team at #15. Are there 14 teams ahead of ND who are more accomplished? They didn't play a schedule as tough as ND. They certainly didn't take the #1 team to the last second of the game. ND IMO should be ranked #10 right behind 2 loss Ohio St.

I reward teams that are not afraid to play on the road. I reward teams who are competitive in every game. ND is similar to USC in that they take everyones best shot. How many teams in the country played 4 of their first 5 games of the season on the road? YOU SHOULD REWARD THAT! Not penalize it. That is very tough to do. Same with USC who has played 5 of their first 7 games on the road. Both ND and USC easily could have scheduled La Monroe/Citadel/La Tech at home etc. THEY DON'T! They don't get any weeks off. Every week they play a competitive team from a "name" program.

BTW, ND has the #4 ranked strength of schedule. :clap:

BCS doesn't take any of this into account. Especially since they eliminated SOS.

 

[gjn23]

To me it's obvious:

if you actually watch college football on saturday's and NOT JUST YOUR TEAM the rankings of the undefeateds is fairly simple to come up with:

1) USC
2) Texas
3) Va tech
4/5/6) uga-bama (both vulnerable and weak on offense) ucla
(vulnerable and weak on defense)

teams 4-6 will get a chance to show if their real by beating each other (uga/bama) or beating #1 (ucla over sc)

the real shame will be if ucla wins out (meaning it beats sc,the clear #1 and 2 time champ).....ucla will likely be left out of the bcs title game (got them at 50-1!) if there are 3+ teams still undefeated.

i'd also argue that ND is in the mix (after va tech) as far as being the "best team" but with 2 losses the point is irrelevant......on a neutral feild who would win ND-UGA? ND-BAMA? ND-UCLA?....i'd be hard pressed to bet on any team other than ND in the above listed games.

 

[Lost Hillbilly]

I have to defend ND on this one.

ND lost to Michigan St. in OT the week after beating 2nd rival Michigan @Michigan. The other ND loss was to the #1 team in the country (USC) which literally came down to the last second.

ND played 4 of their first 5 games on the road!!! All against "name" schools.

BCS has a 2 loss ND team at #15. Are there 14 teams ahead of ND who are more accomplished? They didn't play a schedule as tough as ND. They certainly didn't take the #1 team to the last second of the game. ND IMO should be ranked #10 right behind 2 loss Ohio St.

I reward teams that are not afraid to play on the road. I reward teams who are competitive in every game. ND is similar to USC in that they take everyones best shot. How many teams in the country played 4 of their first 5 games of the season on the road? YOU SHOULD REWARD THAT! Not penalize it. That is very tough to do. Same with USC who has played 5 of their first 7 games on the road. Both ND and USC easily could have scheduled La Monroe/Citadel/La Tech at home etc. THEY DON'T! They don't get any weeks off. Every week they play a competitive team from a "name" program.

BTW, ND has the #4 ranked strength of schedule. :clap:

BCS doesn't take any of this into account. Especially since they eliminated SOS.

I have to disagree with Scott on this, whomever ranked ND's schedule at number four is basing it on the names of the schools they're playing. To this point the combined wins for ND's opponents is 20-24 and their remaining teams are 12-13.

Pitt lost to Ohio, Mich St. has fallen appart, Michigan is up and down, washington can't beat anyone except Idaho, Purue might as well mail in the season, BYU hasn't been compettive in the last five years, Tenn can't determine a QB & lacks a RB, Navy is Navy, Syracuse...not worth commenting and Stanford is still just a big name, not a Big Boy School.

ND gave USC hell...no doubt, play them on a neutral field where the grass is below the knees and USC win's by 20 end of discussion. Their BCS rankinig is where it should be at this point. They're ranked in the top 12 polls because of one thing only... a possible birth in a BCS game for TV ratings!!It happened in 2000 just for TV ratings and Oregon St. beat their ass out of the Fiesta Bowl.

I'm not a ND hater...I'm just being objective, the name sells...its just like the other word that sells..SEX!

 

[Scott4USC]

I have to disagree with Scott on this, whomever ranked ND's schedule at number four is basing it on the names of the schools they're playing. To this point the combined wins for ND's opponents is 20-24 and their remaining teams are 12-13.

Humans might base their opinions on name schools. I am guilty of doing that at times. But Sagarin doesn't or any other computer model who calculates SOS or Power Ratings. I used Sagarin and his ratings can be located at usatoday website.

ND gave USC hell...no doubt, play them on a neutral field where the grass is below the knees and USC win's by 20 end of discussion.

I agree. I think USC would have won by 17 if they didn't drop 5 wide open passes and refs didn't give ND punt return. Also Leinart threw 2 INT's. USC was sloppy.

Their BCS rankinig is where it should be at this point. They're ranked in the top 12 polls because of one thing only... a possible birth in a BCS game for TV ratings!!It happened in 2000 just for TV ratings and Oregon St. beat their ass out of the Fiesta Bowl.

You might be right. You def. have an argument there. But I would rate ND #10 and Ohio St. #9. Both teams have 2 losses. I respect both programs playing a difficult schedule. Although OSU plays way too many home games. Maybe I should put ND ahead?

I'm not a ND hater...I'm just being objective, the name sells...its just like the other word that sells..SEX!

 

[Scott4USC]

the real shame will be if ucla wins out (meaning it beats sc,the clear #1 and 2 time champ).....ucla will likely be left out of the bcs title game (got them at 50-1!) if there are 3+ teams still undefeated.

That is tough and would be a mess. I def. see the argument of UCLA playing in BCS Title game IF they upset USC. Would I put them in? I dunno. If UCLA dominated USC then I def. would put them in. But if UCLA lucked out or USC was sloppy etc, then it gets tricky.

I would prob. go with the 2 teams with the toughest SOS out of V-Tech, Texas and UCLA. Right now there SOS's are........

Texas #30 (will get worse)
V-Tech #55 (will get a lot better)
UCLA #83 (will get better)

If this were all 3 teams SOS's at the end of the year, I would leave out UCLA unless they dominated USC.

Nice bet at 50-1. Too bad Pinny doesn't offer prop bet YES OR NO will UCLA win the BCS NC.

i'd also argue that ND is in the mix (after va tech) as far as being the "best team" but with 2 losses the point is irrelevant......on a neutral feild who would win ND-UGA? ND-BAMA? ND-UCLA?....i'd be hard pressed to bet on any team other than ND in the above listed games.

I agree! :yup