the aclu vs. america

[dr. freeze]

They were also slave owners...

your point?

What do you think my point is? They designed the greatest civilization ever known to this world and looks like they get their inspiration from the same God from whom people you fear do.

And none of this is ever discussed of course because the left wing establishment would just as soon erase all known record of this -- that or discredit anything they did with "they were slave owners" line.

Good grief, so was the rest of the civilized world.

And guess which country cleared the way to eliminate such practice from our earth and is still doing it today.

 

[gardenweasel]

i understand the separation of church and state...it makes sense...look at iran....

but, it`s silly to ignore that this country was founded on judeo/christian ethic....

we`ve done quite well up to now...why groups like the aclu want to turn us into "europe west" is beyond me...

a little common sense would do nicely....

taking crosses off of state seals...taking all crosses off federal property...is a little extreme,wouldn`t you say?

this would be tough to accomplish in some instances...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"The founding Fathers /The Christian Right "

In addition to the founding fathers issues by Doc

1990 census reported 76.5% of U.S. population was Christian.
You might note the % of some of the liberal side

Majority = We the people
"THATS" the point!!!!!!!!!!!


Composite U.S. Demographics
Introduction
This table lists some major demographic groupings in the United States. Race, gender, ethnicity, religion, and other factors are factors in personal and group identity. This table is unusual in that it presents a merged list of these factors. This more accurately reflects actual American society, in which most people belong to more than one group. All individuals can be classified into multiple groupings below. This list is not comprehensive. Please write to suggest additional groups.
Group Number Percent of
U.S. population
Total 1 284,800,000 100.0%
English-at-home speakers 6 245,497,600 86.2%
Christian 2 217,872,000 76.5%
White 1 211,460,626 75.1 %
Protestant 18 150,944,000 53 %
Female 1 145,532,800 51.1%
Male 1 139,267,200 48.9%
"born-again" or "evangelical" 9 125,312,000 44 %
Republican 8 90,950,000 33 %
Democrat 8 85,440,000 31 %
Catholic 2 69,776,000 24.5 %
Non-English speakers 6 38,087,127 13.8%
Nonreligious 2 37,593,600 13.2%
Hispanic/Latino 1 35,305,818 12.5%
Black 1 34,658,190 12.3%
Baptist 18 34,176,000 12 %
Evangelical (theologically) 16 22,049,360 8.0%
Methodist 2 19,366,400 6.8%
Spanish speakers 6 20,744,986 7.5%
Southern Baptist 3 15,800,000 5.6%
Lutheran 2 13,100,800 4.6%
vegetarian 19 12,000,000 4.2%
Asian 1 10,242,998 3.6%
United Methodist Church 20 8,251,042 2.9%
Presbyterian 2 7,689,600 2.7%
Multiracial 1 6,826,228 2.4%
Pentecostal 2 5,980,800 2.1%
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) 15 5,503,192 1.93%
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America 3, 20 5,038,066 1.8%
Episcopalian 2 4,841,600 1.7%
GLBT (gay, lesbian or bisexual)5 4,300,000 1.51%
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) 3, 20 3,595,259 1.3%
Judaism 2, 21 3,702,400 1.3%
Eastern Orthodox 9 2,756,170 1 %
Assemblies of God 11 2,575,000 0.93%
Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod 3, 20 2,512,714 0.9%
Native American 1 2,475,956 0.9%
Buddhist 13 2,400,000 0.87%
Episcopal Church 20 2,333,628 0.82%
French speakers 6 2,308,795 0.8%
gay men5 2,000,000 0.70%
Non-denominational 11 2,000,000 0.7%
prison population 2,000,000 0.7%
German speakers 6 1,851,418 0.7%
Megachurch attendance 14 1,800,000 0.64%
Jehovah's Witnesses 2 1,708,800 0.6%
Chinese speakers 6 1,578,099 0.6%
Italian speakers 6 1,565,165 0.6%
Mennonite Church USA 11 1,525,000 0.55%
Churches of Christ (non-instrumental / Corsicana, TX) 20 1,500,000 0.53%
American Baptist Church in the U.S.A. 20 1,484,291 0.52%
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church 20 1,430,795 0.50%
Muslim 2 1,424,000 0.5%
agnostic 2 1,424,000 0.5%
bisexual5 1,400,000 0.49%
United Church of Christ 20 1,330,985 0.47%
Baptist Bible Fellowship International 20 1,200,000 0.42%
atheists 2, 10 1,139,200 0.4%
Tagolog speakers 6 1,008,542 0.4%
Independent Christian Church, Churches of Christ (instrumental / Joplin, MO) 20 1,071,616 0.39%
Hindu 13 1,000,000 0.36%
Church of God (Cleveland, TN) 20 944,857 0.33%
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) 11 910,000 0.33%
lesbians5 900,000 0.32%
Polish speakers 6 865,298 0.3%
Unitarian Universalist 2 854,400 0.3%
Seventh-day Adventists 11 809,000 0.29%
Neo-pagan (incl. Wiccans) 12 768,400 0.28%
Korean speakers 6 749,278 0.3%
Church of the Nazarene 11 608,000 0.11%
Vietnamese speakers 6 606,463 0.2%
Portuguese speakers 6 515,017 0.2%
Japanese speakers 6 511,485 0.2%
Pacific Islander 1 398,835 0.1%
Reformed Church in America (RCA) 11 304,000 0.11%
Libertarian party members 7 200,000 0.07%
Baha'i 11 142,000 0.05%
Native American Religionist 2 103,000 0.04%

 

[StevieD]

Not sure what you are trying to say Dogs. Are you saying that liberals are not Christians?

 

[smurphy]

What is the source of that list?
1.5% gay? I think we all know the reality is much higher than that.

 

[djv]

Ya just look at San Fran theirs a least a mill just there. And that Republican group Log Cabin Club boasted during the election they had over a mill. And we still have many slaves. And there not all Mexican, but most are. So we crowen in some ways and others wer still not moveing forward.
Oh what do I mean. Well how many gays did we have say 1800. If any who they tell.

 

[StevieD]

We had that Bush plant in the White House Press, don't forget to count him! :mj07:

 

[smurphy]

We had that Bush plant in the White House Press, don't forget to count him! :mj07:

nice :clap:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Smurph-- list was from 2000 census data I'll see if I can retrieve link for you.
Stevie Not saying that at all--I would say those on extreme left would be more apt to be anti religion--as well as those on far right being too pro religious in politics. I like happy medium.case in point while the demographics above dictate .4% of population being athiests you have have ACLU in their "for the people" assualt coming up with this BS--

Prayer Punishment

The ACLU (search) has asked a federal judge to punish school officials for allowing a pre-game prayer at a high school baseball game. Louisiana's ACLU director called the brief prayer for player safety "un-American and immoral" and says that school board members should be fined or jailed for failing to stop it.

Last month a Louisiana judge ruled against the same school board for letting an elementary school student recite the Lord's Prayer before a meeting. That ruling has been denounced by Louisiana's Democratic Governor, Kathleen Blanco (search) and is being appealed.

 

[ocelot]

ivabign - Great posts.

NeoCons - There is this little thing called Freedom Of Religion. The "Congress shall make no law...", etc. Check it out sometime and actually THINK about what it means.

 

[djv]

There are lot's of laws about freedom. Problem is some don't like one interpolation from another. But religion can stay out of government. Or is it called separation of Church and government. Is that a play on words. Could be, or our fathers remembered how the Church in England, France and Italy interfered. Not sure but like said above. ACLU not much liked by many. But when needed for there caused all sides embrace them.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You don't have to go very far on the bill of rights (the very 1st amendment)--

Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Not tell me about your ACLU protecting rights vs assualting them.