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To the "we can't play god" argument - what if there is no god? or if there is, what if he isn't concerned with this kind of stuff, but just of creating the universe and its physical laws but nothing in the moral? then isn't society, and we, the closest thing to this perception of a moral god? then arent we not only the closest thing to god, but in fact obligated to carry out that duty?

There are clear answers to these views.

First, if there is a God & you believe what is taught in the Bible,(& I dont mean word for word) you can see he is obviously concerned w/ this "stuff", therefore negating the rest of your premise.

Evidence of his concern can be found in quite a few Old Testament passages.

Off the top of my head here are 3 examples:

1. When Cain murders his brother Abel, God protects & shelters Cain from vengeance.

2. Moses murders an Egyptian pharaoh or king & in turn God makes Moses the leader of the Israelites.

3. When David murdered Uriah, God sent the prophet Nathan to guide/offer David repentance of his sins.

There are many other examples as well of God offering help & redemption for sins committed throughout the Bible, the greatest example is forgiveness granted for the murder of his only Son Jesus Christ.

Its quite obvious that God is concerned w/ this "stuff", if you do indeed believe in God.

It isnt very difficult to find these examples & understand them. If you were to think about it for a moment or two you would not have had to even ask all your questions, but then again, I am sure you had your reasons for such.

~On a side note this notion of we are the closest thing to the perception of a moral god & its our so called duty to determine, in-act & carry God's will out, is the reason we are in the shit hole we are today as a human race. The reason we are so far off from the balance of nature. The reason we are failing ourselves & this Earth that God has granted us the responsibility of stewardship.

Back to your post:

In response to if there is no God or gods, we could go on for days, so I will try & keep it in the simplest terms.

If God(in whatever form you wish to think of Him) is non existent, then the existence of a transcendent morality/principles/righteousness is also void.

Therefore this would diminish any and all types of moral judgments. (i.e. the death penalty)

Without a supreme moral standard, all morality issues/judgments can be negotiated and/or manipulated to whatever standard fits our present goals. There is no true right & wrong behind anything, just varying view points where there isnt anything to distinguish other than self guided opinions/perceptions on all subjects touching on moral issues.
 
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justin22g

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There are clear answers to these views.

First, if there is a God & you believe what is taught in the Bible,(& I dont mean word for word) you can see he is obviously concerned w/ this "stuff", therefore negating the rest of your premise.

Evidence of his concern can be found in quite a few Old Testament passages.

Off the top of my head here are 3 examples:

1. When Cain murders his brother Abel, God protects & shelters Cain from vengeance.

2. Moses murders an Egyptian pharaoh or king & in turn God makes Moses the leader of the Israelites.

3. When David murdered Uriah, God sent the prophet Nathan to guide/offer David repentance of his sins.

There are many other examples as well of God offering help & redemption for sins committed throughout the Bible, the greatest example is forgiveness granted for the murder of his only Son Jesus Christ.

Its quite obvious that God is concerned w/ this "stuff", if you do indeed believe in God.

It isnt very difficult to find these examples & understand them. If you were to think about it for a moment or two you would not have had to even ask all your questions, but then again, I am sure you had your reasons for such.

~On a side note this notion of we are the closest thing to the perception of a moral god & its our so called duty to determine, in-act & carry God's will out, is the reason we are in the shit hole we are today as a human race. The reason we are so far off from the balance of nature. The reason we are failing ourselves & this Earth that God has granted us the responsibility of stewardship.

Back to your post:

In response to if there is no God or gods, we could go on for days, so I will try & keep it in the simplest terms.

If God(in whatever form you wish to think of Him) is non existent, then the existence of a transcendent morality/principles/righteousness is also void.

Therefore this would diminish any and all types of moral judgments. (i.e. the death penalty)

Without a supreme moral standard, all morality issues/judgments can be negotiated and/or manipulated to whatever standard fits our present goals. There is no true right & wrong behind anything, just varying view points where there isnt anything to distinguish other than self guided opinions/perceptions on all subjects touching on moral issues.


damn 3 seconds... well stated! :thumb:
 

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I disagree, there can be moral standards without god

Its easy enough to say I agree or disagree, try putting something substantive behind your statement.

Soundly explain how please...

Who sets those standards?

Who defines what is to be percieved as right & wrong, good or bad?

Are these godless morals founded on what is right or what is good?

Are they universal & unchanging morals?

What will be the basic foundation of your ethical code?

This would only be the tip of the iceberg...but lets try starting there...
 
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justin22g

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Its easy enough to say I agree or disagree, try putting something substantive behind your statement.

Soundly explain how please...

Who sets those standards?

Who defines what is to be percieved as right & wrong, good or bad?

Are these godless morals founded on what is right or what is good?

Are they universal & unchanging morals?

What will be the basic foundation of your ethical code?

This would only be the tip of the iceberg...but lets try starting there...

you make it too hard... :nono:
 

justin22g

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Did I really? :confused:

Sorry.

Just looking for something more that "I disagree" to support an opinion on a philosophical subject.

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I couldn't agree more with your views on capital punishment. We are not the one's to decide who lives or dies based on prior bad acts.


If it was up to me... I would rather see someone sit in prison for the rest of their life than dying... In my eyes, this is a much harsher punishment.
 
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