The Democrats' Michael Moore Problem

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By - Laura Ingraham

"?[W]e live in fictitious times-a time when we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president-a time when a man is sending us to war for fictitious reasons."
--Michael Moore, accepting his Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.

Don't get suckered into believing that Moore's anti-Bush, anti-war rant is an isolated viewpoint on the far-left of the Democrat party. The dirty little secret is that most Dem-elite intellectuals agree with stupid white man Moore but are afraid to say so publicly.

The truth is that leading Democrat "thinkers" have at one time or another explicitly or implicitly conveyed the same sentiments. Take the "fictitious election" comment. Bill Clinton, still the titular head of the Democrat Party, has made similar cracks. Ditto for recovering politician Al Gore. At a speech in the Dominican Republic in December, Gore asked the crowd, "In your presidential election here, does the candidate who gets the most votes win the election?"

As for Moore's "fictitious reasons" for war comment, Senators Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd have made comparable charges in recent weeks. When Moore refers to Bush as a "fictitious" president, what he really means is that he is a stupid president. When Tom Daschle last week blamed the President's "miserable failure" in diplomacy for forcing war, he too was really saying that Bush is dunce. Tom the Towering Intellect believes President Bush is woefully incapable of maneuvering in our complex, interconnected world. He's no Jacques Chirac.

The Dem-elites in Hollywood and Washington, utterly convinced of their intellectual and moral superiority, are hopelessly out of touch with the public whose welfare they claim to care so much about. Take the Oscars. On a day when we learned that American POWs were being humiliated before Iraqi television cameras, ABC decided the Academy ad revenues were too big to pass up. For the Academy, toning down the red carpet was an adequate sacrifice. Chef mogul Wolfgang Puck, who was catering the big after-party bash for the Academy, wailed that if the awards were cancelled, hundreds of pounds of imported sea bass would go to waste.

Well, Americans spoke last night. Ratings for the broadcast were down 23 percent from last year. Some proudly boycotted the Oscars, others opted to focus on what was happening in the real world. Turns out that the 70+ percent of those stupid Americans who support the President and the war in Iraq were smart enough to tune out Hollywood's ill-timed narcissistic exercise. Actor Tom Hanks was classy enough to bow out, undoubtedly uncomfortable with the spectacle. On this channel, see our brave military men and women in harms way, donning chemical suits. Flip to ABC and see Oscar nominees and presenters air-kissing one another for their artistic sacrifices, clutching their $25,000 "goodie bags," decked out in couture. Their idea of an MRE is a take-out order of capellini with white truffles from the Ivy.

Democrats' confused, muddled foreign policy message isn't playing any better with the American public than the Oscar ceremony played with American television viewers. The reason is that, except maybe for Joe Lieberman and Dick Gephardt, Democrats have made it clear that they believe that France should have veto authority over US national security decisions. Listen to Rep. Nancy Pelosi before for war, and it's clear that if France had agreed to the war, then she would be for it, too.

To heck with the fact that the American president, the intelligence community, the entire Cabinet, believe the war is necessary for our security! To heck with the American people who support President Bush's decision! Guinea and Cameroon aren't on board!

That so many liberals see this as an "illegitimate" or even "illegal" war is why liberalism is on life-support. The Michael Moore sympathizers in the Democrat party actually believe that the French (who helped Iraq build a nuclear plant) and the Russians (who sell unauthorized radar jamming equipment to Iraq) are acting in "good faith," but the President Bush and Vice-President Cheney are not.

The Dem-elites trust the judgment of the "international community" on foreign policy. Americans trust the judgment of their president. The Dem-elites are enamored with the UN. Americans see the UN as a forum for America-bashing. The Dem-elites believe America has become too "arrogant." Americans think France is too arrogant. The Dem-elites don't like the idea of America as a "super-power." Americans are proud to be the strongest, freest country in the world. The Dem-elites think this war is our fault. Americans think that it's Saddam's fault.

It would be refreshing if more in the entertainment industry confronted the idiocy of Michael Moore. Dennis Miller can't do it all. As for the Democrats, their ability to win national elections in the near future will depend on their own willingness to confront their own versions of Michael Moore. Don't hold your breath.

Word of the Week

Apodictically, adv. Expressing necessary truth; with absolute certainty.

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To counter what is apodictically an attack on our representative democracy, we must resist giving the UN any further role in determining or delaying US foreign policy decisions.
 

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Re: The Democrats' Michael Moore Problem

Blitz said:
By - Laura Ingraham

"?[W]e live in fictitious times-a time when we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president-

you know, i get so sick of people saying this shit. anyone who passed political science in 7th grade knows that we have an electorial vote that elects the president. not the popular vote. the reason we have this is so that the country as a whole is represented fairly. a city in california with millions of people should not be more important than 3 states put together in the midwest.

i must say, i actually did enjoy roger and me, but i thought bowling for columbine was a bit to much.
 
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someone should have handed the fat fvck a can of Slimfast, not an Oscar- probably made him think of Oscar Meyer so he headed to the 7-11 and wolfed down a couple paks of Cotto Salami
 

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Al Bore, er I mean Gore & George Bush sr. are probably the two worst politicians in recent years. I guess Gore never heard of the electoral college. He followed a pretty popular president & couldn't carry his own state.He had everything going for him & yet he couldn't make up his personality deficit which was too much to overcome.He should never have lost.
Bush sr.at the time was in the middle of a debate in a tough presidential re-election & decides to look at his watch to see what time it is. Nice move.
I am afraid the democratic party, with daschle & pelosi calling the shots, are heading back to the democratic party of the mcgovern & mccarthy days.They are starting to lean too far to the left & imo this is the wrong position. After 9/11 the American people want our gov't to take a strong stance against the war on terrorism.With leaders like daschle, pelosi, & voices of dissent against the current administration from kennedy & others are leading the democrats down the wrong road. And by the time they realize their errors it will be in time maybe for the 2020 presidential election.
 

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thekidwhocould said:


you know, i get so sick of people saying this shit. anyone who passed political science in 7th grade knows that we have an electorial vote that elects the president. not the popular vote. the reason we have this is so that the country as a whole is represented fairly. a city in california with millions of people should not be more important than 3 states put together in the midwest.


Please understand that the majority of nit-wits in Hollywood did not finish 7th grade and have no idea of what political science is. Good thing for us the elected politions are making the decision and not the loud mouths.

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as far as moore...

i think we should throw that communist bastard out of the country... if hes so anti american... send him to cuba... he should fit in nicely w/ the other anit american commies..

but hed better not speak his mind there..

id like to see what happens to his fat ass if he speaks out against the govt there:thefinger
 

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please...

please...

laura ingraham is just to the right of genghis khan...give me a break. whats next rush (gag) limbaugh???

you folks keep believing what these right-wing whacko's spew...its easy to take that stance. before you know it we'll be completely isolated from the rest of the world, just like the pearly white right-wingers want. god-forbid you look beyond your own world.

pathetic!
 

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thekidwhocould said:


you know, i get so sick of people saying this shit. anyone who passed political science in 7th grade knows that we have an electorial vote that elects the president. not the popular vote. the reason we have this is so that the country as a whole is represented fairly. a city in california with millions of people should not be more important than 3 states put together in the midwest.

i must say, i actually did enjoy roger and me, but i thought bowling for columbine was a bit to much.


Great point kid, I for one had to accept that fact in 1992 when Bill Clinton won the Presidency with only 43% of the popular vote.I didn't see the liberal's gripe about that.
 

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FlashInVegas said:

you folks keep believing what these right-wing whacko's spew...its easy to take that stance. before you know it we'll be completely isolated from the rest of the world, just like the pearly white right-wingers want. god-forbid you look beyond your own world.

pathetic!

You mean we'll be isolated from France, Germany, Russia, China & etc.... say it ain't so, say it ain't so!!
 

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Great point MJBird. Certainly we will never see a president who receives the majority of votes from our citizenry. With the low number of voters, this is virtually impossible. And it wasn't that long ago that the idolized Bill Clinton did win with 43% of the vote. I guess Moore didn't recall that fact. Moore is simply another in a long line of Hollywood big mouths that see things only one way in their rose colored glasses. There is, in fact, a group of documentary filmmakers that are protesting the fact that he won the award, due to the fact that "Bowling for Columbine" is every bit as much fiction as it is fact. According to several sources that I have read. Moore knowingly distorted the truth on many occasions to make his point. Reminds me of an old quote - "Narrow minded people are like narrow necked bottles. When they don't have much in them, they make a great deal of noise coming out." Well, that is close. Moore thinks that his position allows him to spew out one specious argument after another , without being accountable for the truth. This, of course, is always the true test. When you don't have the facts on your side, simply insult the source. Never answer the question at hand, just throw out buzz words and attack the other side. Don't address the facts, just criticize the other side. Are you listening VegasFlash?
 

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Let him say what he wants, it was obvious to me that even those who tend to feel the same as him, saw him as a Bush-hater and that was ignorant to use this platform. He really came off bad,,and good for him because apparently his is only interested in shouting his political views, all the while our soldiers are fighting there asses off to keep him free from terriorists.
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Clinton might only have won 43% of the vote, but he received a the most votes from people who voted, something Dubya did not do.

That said, Michael Moore hurts his case when he call the election fictitious because everyone knows that we use an electoral college system and that you CAN get elected without receiving the most votes. It makes him look uninformed.
 

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I don't think he was talking about the popular vote. I think he was talking about Florida. Not to start up that mess again. We have a bigger mess now. But I think Moore understands the Electoral College.
 

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Did alittle digging. This nut was a backer of Ralph Nader. As far as I know may still be. What I dont understand all the good TV avaliable why people watch things like the academy awards. I see they had the highest ranked show last week. I cant stand that chit. Same chit over and over. I would like to thank,and, and, and ,and ,and. oh yes I must not forget my hair dresser. Oh and my limo driver. I guess a bunch Of old woman watch that junk they have nothing else to do.
 

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If he understands the electoral college, then why did he make such an asinine statement? Once again, Moore shoots off his mouth and what comes out - half truths. I know that by now everyone is sick about the Florida election crap - but more than one non-biased news service did go over all the votes and Gore still did not win. So no matter how Moore wants to represent it, Gore did not win the popular vote in Florida. This has been verified by more than one source. But facts never get in the way of his opinons. And yes, the COURT made Bush the winner in the election. So, what would have happened if Gore got a majority of the votes. The COURT would have made Gore the winner. It would have been a court decision either way.
 

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ferdville you are correct. And what helped cause that is folks not voting. I believe and i dont care what way it went. But if more would have voted there would have been a clear pitcure. Now there are some folks I know that told me they did not vote. They of course say what most do. They could not vote for either one so they stayed home. Oh but what big mouths they have about this war. I told one of them yesterday to shut his mouth. I said you told me you didn't vote. I said in that case your thoughts don't mean chit to me. Now if your under 18 and cant vote thats differant. I feal strongley about this. If some here don't agree ok. But dam it we need more people to get off there asses and vote. It is good for our country.
 
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