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Analysis shows hundreds of rehired UW-Madison retirees return for years
Analysis shows hundreds of rehired UW-Madison retirees return for years
DEBORAH ZIFF, DEE J. HALL and NICK HEYN
More than half of the 447 people UW-Madison rehired after they retired have been on the job for more than one year, the limit set by the university under a new policy last month, according to a State Journal analysis of data provided by the school.

Thirty-eight of them have been working for more than a decade as rehired annuitants, which means they earn both a paycheck and a pension. A handful stayed more than 15 years, and one technician has worked for the last 21 years.

The new UW-Madison policy states hiring of retired employees is intended for short-term needs only, and the amount of time should be limited to a year, except in special cases. The university is reviewing the employment of each rehired annuitant, except for those under a set contract.

As the state grapples with what to do with retired employees who earn both a salary and a pension, universities are in a unique position.

Legislative action

Public ire erupted over the issue when a UW-Green Bay administrator allegedly arranged to be rehired back to his same six-figure job before he retired, which would violate state law.

A bill introduced by Rep. Duey Stroebel, R-Saukville, would require public employees returning half time or more to suspend their pensions. Another bill being circulated would expand the required break between retirement and being rehired from 30 days to 180 days.

The 447 at UW-Madison appear to have abided by the state requirement that retirees wait at least 30 days before being rehired into a job covered by the Wisconsin Retirement System. The rules also prohibit retirees from making arrangements to return during that 30 days. But about one-third of the employees, or 157 of them, returned to the UW-Madison between 31 and 40 days after retiring.

Rep. Bob Ziegelbauer, I-Manitowoc, said he supports a six-month delay to avoid what he calls "phony retirements."

UW's review of its 447 rehired annuitants is ongoing.

"What I don't do is make, as some have, blanket assumptions about the status and rationale for 447 people being back on this campus post-retirement," said Darrell Bazzell, vice chancellor for administration. "The ones that get attention in the press are situations where a person may have come back in their past capacity. Those situations deserve attention. I don't know that those situations constitute the majority of the cases that we're reviewing."

Top administrators who returned to work in their prior roles include: Al Fish, associate vice chancellor for facilities, who earns $148,256; John Harrod, physical plant director, who earns $137,975; Donald Miner, assistant vice chancellor for business services, $125,000; and David Musolf, secretary of the faculty, who earns $120,501.

Common practice

According to the Department of Employee Trust Funds, 6,829 public employees retired then returned to work at a job covered by the state retirement system over the past 5? years.

About 12 percent of them returned to jobs at University of Wisconsin campuses. Some managers at UW-Madison say the university has unique needs that in some cases only can be filled by retired faculty or staff. And, they say, hiring retirees saves money.

Steffen Lemp, associate chairman of the UW-Madison Department of Mathematics, said his department often has employed emeritus faculty members to teach specialized math courses or when openings pop up at the last minute because of sabbaticals, illness or even retirements.

Retirees receive about $11,000 per class, compared with their former salaries ranging from $80,000 to $120,000 a year, he said. Retired faculty no longer qualify for benefits including health insurance.

"Typically retired professors are teaching because they like to teach," he said. "It's not a heck of a lot of money, and it fills a need. We couldn't run the department without them."

Among the rehired annuitants is Willis Long, a UW-Madison engineering professor who retired 11 years ago.

Long earns $91,614 per year from the university ? plus a state pension ? for teaching part-time about power plant operation for which participants pay $1,000 or more to attend.

And his skills are not easily duplicated. Long said the engineering school searched for five years to find a replacement for him. That new employee, hired this summer from the private sector, will take a while to get up to speed before he can take over the program, Long said.

"I enjoy what I do, I am unique in what I do, and I am good at it," he said.


UNIQUE!!! :142smilie I KNOW a 100 People that Could Teach about Power Plant Operation Including Me!!
The only thing that is Unique is making $91,000 working Part-Time or Scammers like FISH and HARROD making 140,000 + a FULL PENSION :scared
I don't want to hear that many of these Rehires are Irreplaceable as they are not.. They and their Buddies are working together and Stalling at finding replacements to exploit the system and make a Unethical Financial Windfall..

The Fact is they are Double Dipping & Preventing a Qualified Applicant from getting a Piece of the Pie!!
 

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About 12 percent of them returned to jobs at University of Wisconsin campuses. Some managers at UW-Madison say the university has unique needs that in some cases only can be filled by retired faculty or staff. And, they say, hiring retirees saves money.

Steffen Lemp, associate chairman of the UW-Madison Department of Mathematics, said his department often has employed emeritus faculty members to teach specialized math courses or when openings pop up at the last minute because of sabbaticals, illness or even retirements.

Retirees receive about $11,000 per class, compared with their former salaries ranging from $80,000 to $120,000 a year, he said. Retired faculty no longer qualify for benefits including health insurance.

"Typically retired professors are teaching because they like to teach," he said. "It's not a heck of a lot of money, and it fills a need. We couldn't run the department without them."


So which is it? Are you a capitalist or a socialist? The capitalist would surely allow the market to hire the retiree (sans benefits) to save money, while the socialist would like to see the retiree go away and collect their pension thus opening up a job for someone else. The hypocrisy is laughable. You don't even know what the fuck your talking about.

I'd love to hear your rebuttal.
 

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Yeah, I can only imagine what your class would be like. Everyone who is not a teacher always thinks that being a teacher is easy, and most think teachers are overpaid. You are not licensed, have not gone through the process and pedagogy of how to teach ANYONE, and think you can do it because you know a little something about the subject. And I'm guessing that you don't think somebody else could teach someone to do what you do. That's a normal position - one that makes no sense of course, but it's normal.

I agree, there are issues with a teacher retiring, being hired back, keeping the retirement benefits, and making a teaching stipend. I don't see them getting a pension and a live wage. But most of these teachers are experienced, know how to teach (you and most others don't, and don't care to know how) and provide a service to students and the university because they are experienced, have often been published and benefit the university because of that, and can be hired at the benefit of the university in important ways.

I love guys like you that say you could come into a classroom and teach. You have no fucking clue what that really means, nor do you give a lesser shit about knowing what it means. THANK GOD there are provisions in place that prevent this from happening in most cases. The fact that you say you could do it is on par with the university hiring these guys back at inflated cost because they could not find someone else qualified... it's all relative. Just like you don't probably think that anyone else could do your job in a quick learn... most people don't. It's enough to do a job without thinking you could teach a bunch of other people how to do the job they need to do, without every having been trained in HOW people need to be taught to educate others.

It's not easy - although most that don't have a clue about what that means thinks it is. You are a PRIME example.
 

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Yeah, I can only imagine what your class would be like. Everyone who is not a teacher always thinks that being a teacher is easy, and most think teachers are overpaid. You are not licensed, have not gone through the process and pedagogy of how to teach ANYONE, and think you can do it because you know a little something about the subject. And I'm guessing that you don't think somebody else could teach someone to do what you do. That's a normal position - one that makes no sense of course, but it's normal.

I agree, there are issues with a teacher retiring, being hired back, keeping the retirement benefits, and making a teaching stipend. I don't see them getting a pension and a live wage. But most of these teachers are experienced, know how to teach (you and most others don't, and don't care to know how) and provide a service to students and the university because they are experienced, have often been published and benefit the university because of that, and can be hired at the benefit of the university in important ways.

I love guys like you that say you could come into a classroom and teach. You have no fucking clue what that really means, nor do you give a lesser shit about knowing what it means. THANK GOD there are provisions in place that prevent this from happening in most cases. The fact that you say you could do it is on par with the university hiring these guys back at inflated cost because they could not find someone else qualified... it's all relative. Just like you don't probably think that anyone else could do your job in a quick learn... most people don't. It's enough to do a job without thinking you could teach a bunch of other people how to do the job they need to do, without every having been trained in HOW people need to be taught to educate others.

It's not easy - although most that don't have a clue about what that means thinks it is. You are a PRIME example.

Let them DoubleDip so the YOUNG Teachers can't get HIRED.

Good Plan.

:142smilie
 
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Yeah, I can only imagine what your class would be like. Everyone who is not a teacher always thinks that being a teacher is easy, and most think teachers are overpaid. You are not licensed, have not gone through the process and pedagogy of how to teach ANYONE, and think you can do it because you know a little something about the subject. And I'm guessing that you don't think somebody else could teach someone to do what you do. That's a normal position - one that makes no sense of course, but it's normal.

I agree, there are issues with a teacher retiring, being hired back, keeping the retirement benefits, and making a teaching stipend. I don't see them getting a pension and a live wage. But most of these teachers are experienced, know how to teach (you and most others don't, and don't care to know how) and provide a service to students and the university because they are experienced, have often been published and benefit the university because of that, and can be hired at the benefit of the university in important ways.

I love guys like you that say you could come into a classroom and teach. You have no fucking clue what that really means, nor do you give a lesser shit about knowing what it means. THANK GOD there are provisions in place that prevent this from happening in most cases. The fact that you say you could do it is on par with the university hiring these guys back at inflated cost because they could not find someone else qualified... it's all relative. Just like you don't probably think that anyone else could do your job in a quick learn... most people don't. It's enough to do a job without thinking you could teach a bunch of other people how to do the job they need to do, without every having been trained in HOW people need to be taught to educate others.

It's not easy - although most that don't have a clue about what that means thinks it is. You are a PRIME example.

I DESIGN POWERPLANT GEN & DISTRIBUTION
I teach seminar classes all the Time ..
Know HOW TO TEACH :142smilie
A person taking Adv EE classes from this so called Unique Prof. KNOWS HOW TO LEARN!!!

The Fact Remains they are Scamming the System and if You and NumNuts think it is admirable then you are just as Pathetic!

Numnuts.. Done Explaining it a 100 times ..Go to my past post and get Clued in!!!
THEY say THEY are Unique and save money .. B.S> Just Buddies Helping Each Other Exploit the system flaws!!
You don't Feed the Same Fish Twice and leave the others to sink to the bottom.
Even Your Simple Mind can Grasp That!!

Get Your Checkbook Out and Pay for this I am DONE!!
 
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The Fact Remains they are Scamming the System and if You and NumNuts think it is admirable then you are just as Pathetic!

Numnuts.. Done Explaining it a 100 times ..Go to my past post and get Clued in!!!
THEY say THEY are Unique and save money .. B.S> Just Buddies Helping Each Other Exploit the system flaws!!
You don't Feed the Same Fish Twice and leave the others to sink to the bottom.
Even Your Simple Mind can Grasp That!!

Get Your Checkbook Out and Pay for this I am DONE!!

Please provide proof that this is just "Buddies Helping Each Other".

Thanks for skipping over the Capitalist v Socialist question, hypocrite. You still haven't addressed the fact that this practice saves tax payers money. That's what it is about, not a buddy system. Sorry you aren't savvy enough to grasp that concept.
 
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Because THEY (SOME MANAGERS) say it saves money you believe it.. You are a Gullible Buffoon..
Sen. Luther Olsen (R-Ripon), who chairs the state Senate's Education Committee worries that having teachers come back to work while collecting their retirement will imperil state retirement funds because they aren't contributing anymore. He said he talked with state retirement officials and they seem concerned it's a drain on the system..
In other words Numnuts if you are employed in a position that would normally have a PENSION CONTRIBUTING EMPLOYEE and YOU PAY NOTHING there is a Gap in the Whole...
The Retirement Fund requires each position to contribute to be Viable...Who is going to make up for that Gap when the Retirees come Calling!!
This is just one of the problems that are shaded..

You Prove that it is SAVING MONEY!
This has nothing to do with Capitalism vs Socialism in any light.

You are saying Working the System in a fashion that it was not intended for Unethical Financial Gain on the TAXPAYERS back is "OK"..
You Write the Check for this SCAM!

I have to get back to work so I can retire, claim my Retirement Package then come back to my same position (Fuck Mike who has worked his ass off for my job when I retire) because I am UNIQUE.. :142smilie

It's about NOT SCAMMING THE SYSTEM!


Another Whining Teacher..
Back in the Classroom
Laura Segall for The Chronicle
Christopher Neck, a management professor, says he took his job at Arizona State U. after his department head told him he would only have to teach one large course per semester. Now he is teaching five days a week.

When Christopher P. Neck took a faculty job at Arizona State University two years ago, he says his department head promised he could teach just one course a semester. It would be a large class on management principles that met once a week and enrolled as many as 500 students.

But last year, with a new department chairman in place and budget cuts a consistent threat, Mr. Neck says Arizona State told him the deal was off. Not only did his new department head want him to teach two sections instead of one large course, creating more options for students and making it easier for the university to find classroom space, he also wanted Mr. Neck to teach a third class on management for nonbusiness majors. So Mr. Neck, an associate professor of management, went from teaching just once a week to teaching five days a week...
"They hired me to be a place kicker," he says, "and now they want me to be a linebacker."
Then QUIT YOU LAZY ASS WHINER :sadwave:
 
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I have to get back to work so I can retire, claim my Retirement Package then come back to my same position (Fuck Mike who has worked his ass off for my job when I retire) because I am UNIQUE..


PRO, it's really that easy, our Liberal friends can't see the problem.

PITY REALLY
 
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I have to get back to work so I can retire, claim my Retirement Package then come back to my same position (Fuck Mike who has worked his ass off for my job when I retire) because I am UNIQUE..



PRO, it's really that easy, our Liberal friends can't see the problem.

PITY REALLY

Numnuts cannot understand that this Exploitation can be not only Financial but Ethical and Moral...

Please Hire me because I am UNIQUE..
Nobody else can teach like me I'm UNIQUE!
Those who can-DO, Those who can't-TEACH...UNIQUELY

Anyway I'm done with this UNIQUE Subject!!

I am off to my UNIQUE MEETING..... :0003
 
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Proof it saves money? Hmmmmmm. Let me think. Maybe it is cheaper to pay someone salary only versus salary and benefits. Yeah.....I'll go with that.

By the way, I have spelled this out several times. You choose to ignore it bc it makes you look like a Dumbass. It is about using cheaper labor, not helping your buddies.
 
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Proof it saves money? Hmmmmmm. Let me think. Maybe it is cheaper to pay someone salary only versus salary and benefits. Yeah.....I'll go with that.

By the way, I have spelled this out several times. You choose to ignore it bc it makes you look like a Dumbass. It is about using cheaper labor, not helping your buddies.


Ok Numnuts

(Salary at Inflated Rate minus Benefits ) vs (Start Salary + Co-contribution Benefits + No CB ) = NO CHEAPER LABOR

Inflated Salary + Pension = EXPLOITATION

NUMNUTS and Rational Thinking = UnAttainable



I(Dumbass) have another UNIQUE MEETING that ONLY I (ME) NOBODY ELSE, NONE OTHER, ONE & ONLY can Run and Educate the MushHeads....
 

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Ok Numnuts

(Salary at Inflated Rate minus Benefits ) vs (Start Salary + Co-contribution Benefits + No CB ) = NO CHEAPER LABOR

Inflated Salary + Pension = EXPLOITATION

NUMNUTS and Rational Thinking = UnAttainable



I(Dumbass) have another UNIQUE MEETING that ONLY I (ME) NOBODY ELSE, NONE OTHER, ONE & ONLY can Run and Educate the MushHeads....


Uhhh....'scuse me. I ate too many burritos and drank too many Dos Equos. I need to go take a Pro190.
 
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