The Global Warming Myth - Ocelot stands corrected

[djv]

A plan is one thing. Would it have worked. Not so sure with the man power being cut by 35%. And remember the lost time works in Germaine's favor as to very important items. They were way ahead of everyone with rockets and jet planes. And just another 6 months might have had the A bomb. I say with out America there D Day fails. Or France and England would have waited another 6 to 8 months and then it would have been even more trouble. Don't forget at battle of the bulge Ike, Bradley and Patton all agreed the war still could have been lost at that time. These are statements all three made. So I completely disagree with you that England and France could have pulled it off with out US.
Once again our troops in Iraq are doing the great job they always do. The sad thing is they were sent there on a lie. Not only that they were sent to wrong country. Not there fault they will do as told to as they always have.

 

[Palehose]

I will only say this . Without America WWII could very well have been lost but It wasnt do to us landing on D-day . You are correct in Germany being way ahead in the arms race but by the time we landed Germany wasent building anything because they didnt have the capacity to build anymore. The Luftwaft was decimated or else their wouldnt have been a landing at all , which also means Germany couldnt keep their manufacturing from being bombed which in turns is why we seen Germany resort to horse and wagon for supply lines .

But hey if any of you insist on America's D day landing as being the godsend and turning point of the war to the rest of the allies in WWII feel free to believe that ......at least its patriotic .

 

[Palehose]

Can anybody Remember if it was Brit special forces that took out that German Heavy water plant ( on the Rurh river I think ) ? Or was it Navy Seals ? I dont remember but that would have been a necessary mission .

 

[ocelot]

Don't know though I would guess Brit Commandos.

The D-Day invasion was important to Stalin to draw forces away from the East but also ended up being important to Western Europe, including what became West Germany, since the Soviets didn't leave (though in their minds we did the same and remained in Germany). What I mean is that D-Day turned out very important to France, Belgium, Netherlands to hasten their freedom and W.Germany to prevent Soviet occupation.

 

[ferdville]

Back to original topic- this is taken from 8/2 LA Times.

'In San Joaquin Valley, cows pass cars as polluters."
To paraphrase the article, it states that the San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution District found that dairy cows (not cows intended for steaks) produces about 19.3 pounds of "volatile organic compounds" per cow per year. This means that cattle in the SJV " produce more organic compounds than are generated by either cars or trucks or pesticides."

Not surprisingly, the dairy industry pooh-poohed the theory as junk science. so here we go again with scientists on both sides of the coin arguing about the issue. Frank Mitloehner of UC Davis said "If you closed all the dairies in California tomorrow, you would not see mucn impact on ozone formation." Well, if that is so, wouldn't the same apply to pollution from cars, trucks, and pesticides?

In a related note, though some people call this issue "fart science," most of the gases come from the front side of the cows. Evidently there is more problem from burping than farting. Some people claim that the dairy farms, also with high manure content, are causing an asthma epidemic in the SJV.According to one source, 1 of every 6 kids in the SJV carries an inhaler.

 

[Palehose]

Don't know though I would guess Brit Commandos.

The D-Day invasion was important to Stalin to draw forces away from the East but also ended up being important to Western Europe, including what became West Germany, since the Soviets didn't leave (though in their minds we did the same and remained in Germany). What I mean is that D-Day turned out very important to France, Belgium, Netherlands to hasten their freedom and W.Germany to prevent Soviet occupation.

I generally agree with this ... I just dont see how that was more Honorable or necessary than Iraq .
The only place I disagree is with Russia they had taken nearly all of their country back by themselves and were very vocal about how we were basically useless to them including the planes and equiptment ....of course he probably just wanted more and purposely whinned that it wasent enough in hopes to get more . Would like to add that eventually we would have needed a presence to keep Russia from doing the same as Hitler .


D-Day turned out very important to France, Belgium, Netherlands to hasten their freedom and W.Germany to prevent Soviet occupation.

I am 100% with you here and glad to see someone here truley understands what are roll was in the Europeon theater. Kosar and some of the other were so far off into La La land I feared they were speaking of some other war .

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

You keep laughing we will keep winning elections sounds great to me !

Palehorse I love the new democratic party!!! It's no wonder that they keep losing elections!! :clap: -Look at the leadership!!! LOL

Kennedy, Kerry, Michael Moore, Pelosi, Biden, Reid, Boxer, Hillary, DiCaprio, Madonna, Al Franken!!!

:mj07:

Keep up the complaining!! Keep up the fingerpointing!! Keep up the namecalling!!! Offer no solutions or ideas!!! KEEP IT UP WE LOVE IT!!! :mj14:

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

*****FROM THE E.P.A. 2004 (The same source you quoted)

"Environmentalist claim that the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere are the result of human activity.
Yet this ignores the FACT that a single volcanic eruption produces more of these gases than the entire wood, coal and oil burned by human in ALL HUMAN HISTORY."


Ocelot....please dispute this statement or else please just give up. You are starting to look like a real idiot.

FROM THE EPA=
"Environmentalist claim that the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere are the result of human activity.
Yet this ignores the FACT that a single volcanic eruption produces more of these gases than the entire wood, coal and oil burned by human in ALL HUMAN HISTORY."

Compared to how much emissions humans create with the internal combustion engine we don't even make a difference to the environment.
BUT to make the claim that human activity is seriouslt altering the atmosphere while IGNORING the #1 source of these gases - volcanic activity - is absurd in the extreme."

A single volcanic eruption produces more of these gases than the entire wood, coal and oil burned by humans in ALL HUMAN HISTORY.

FACT: A single volcanic eruption produces more of these gases than the entire wood, coal and oil burned by humans in ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY.

Why are you ignoring the above statement??? If you're so bright then please give us a reason.

That's why debating with you is pointless. You are living in a fantasy world Ocelot and I think it's pretty sad. I GIVE FACTS AND I BACK THEM UP WITH SOURCES AND YOU JUST STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND.

***REPOST SINCE YOU MUST HAVE MISSED IT THE FIRSTTIME***

Manson, I have already explained that I know very little on the environment and ozone and the like. When I know little about something, I tend not to argue about it because I don?t know what I?m talking about. Ignorance on a subject doesn?t seem to stop you from talking about it infinitem. Just like Scott4USC, there?s an inverse relationship to the validity of your points and the number of smilies that your post contain.

You stated that the EPA stated that a ?"Environmentalist claim that the increase in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases in the earth's atmosphere are the result of human activity.
Yet this ignores the FACT that a single volcanic eruption produces more of these gases than the entire wood, coal and oil burned by human in ALL HUMAN HISTORY." I don?t care where you got the facts from, somewhere on the expansive world wide web this must be documented somewhere, anywhere, but it?s not.

My posts have never been about whether the environment is getting better or worse, because I have no idea. My point was that you are a liar and your sources are bogus. And that has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt.

 

[spibble spab]

I remember learning about the ratios of natural pollution versus
manmade pollution in the eleventh grade. Maybe i'll do some digging around for you bobby.

Manson, no more smiley's. someone might think youre having fun in here.

 

[spibble spab]

:yawn: volcanic gases may be involved in ozone depletion. Protection against these potential hazards might be difficult. More temperature tolerant crops might need to be developed. For the lower ozone, people need to be better educated about the dangerous of exposure to harmful UV rays.
Steve Mattox, University of North Dakota

 

[spibble spab]

right now, the biggest single source of air pollution in Washington isn't a power plant, pulp mill or anything else created by man.

It's a volcano.

Since Mount St. Helens started erupting in early October, it has been pumping out between 50 and 250 tons a day of sulfur dioxide, the lung-stinging gas that causes acid rain and contributes to haze.

Those emissions are so high that if the volcano was a new factory, it probably couldn't get a permit to operate, said Clint Bowman, an atmospheric physicist for the Washington Department of Ecology.

All of the state's industries combined produce about 120 tons a day of the noxious gas.

The volcano has even pulled ahead of the coal-fired power plant near Centralia that is normally the state's top air polluter. In the mid-1990s, when the facility's emission rate was about 200 tons a day, regulators pressed for $250 million in pollution controls to bring it down to today's level of 27 tons.

Government doesn't wield much power over a volcano, though. That's why the liberals get frustrated. I would post the whole article here
but i think you get the idea

 

[spibble spab]

One of the earliest and most
comprehensive series is the Dust Veil Index (DVI) of Lamb (1970), which
includes eruptions from 1500 to 1900. When combined with series of acidity
measurements in ice cores (due to the presence of sulphuric acid aerosols),
they can provide valuable indicators of past eruptions. Using these
indicators, a statistical association between volcanic activity and global
temperatures during the past millennia has been found (Hammer et al., 1980).
DAMN. I WISH THERE WAS A SMILEY OF A DEAD HORSE BEING BEATEN.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

:banghead: :mj16: :withstupi :mj16: :banghead:

If I ever wondered what it would be like to talk to a wall - this may be close

 

[Palehose]

Palehorse I love the new democratic party!!! It's no wonder that they keep losing elections!! :clap: -Look at the leadership!!! LOL

Kennedy, Kerry, Michael Moore, Pelosi, Biden, Reid, Boxer, Hillary, DiCaprio, Madonna, Al Franken!!!

:mj07:

Keep up the complaining!! Keep up the fingerpointing!! Keep up the namecalling!!! Offer no solutions or ideas!!! KEEP IT UP ckedWE LOVE IT!!! :mj14:

Yes the mind set we see present right here is exactly what we need to win the next election !!!
Its exactly what turned the Blue south Red ! Its awesome all we have to do is keep the Libs talking and we will walk away victorious once again :mj14:

Oh by the by you did hear I am your alter ego yes?
So ....Superman whats next ? Clark Kent here just need direction :mj07: