The Japanese R ruthless evil people

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I have no problem with them hunting the whales in season. It is wrong if they are hunting in a "sanctuary" as you write, but I didn't see any evidence of that, nor do I know International whaling laws.

Purposefully running their boat into the Japanese ship was pretty stupid as was running those little skiffs near the Japanese ship. Thought it was pretty funny when the Japanese started spraying them with the water, lol!!

Those videos with all the blood are meant to shock you (which they did). I guess a video of a group of killer whales attacking and killing a whale would even be more brutal though, correct??

Lastly, if the Japanese are hunting legally, then these wackos are interfering and are the lawbreakers. Seems unlikely that it's illegal, however, if there's nobody to enforce the law.

Add, I just read a pdf file from that website. The Japanese have the legal right to hunt the whales in those waters, so looks as if Greenpeace is violating with their tactics interfering, and not the other way around.

Research: In this area in question there are an estimated 300,000-760,000 minke whales (the kind in the video). Japan's permit allows them to take 800 of them. That's far less than 1% of the population, so I seriously doubt it's going to affect the population.
 

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"Ruthless evil people" is kinda extreme for an entire nationality.

I understand if you don't agree but your bigoted stereotyping remark makes you look like a "wacko".

It's a "Greenpeace Video" not exactly an unbiased source.
 

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We can agree to disagree but here r the facts

We can agree to disagree but here r the facts

December 24, 2005
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'There has never been a more serious moment for the survival of whales.'


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AdvertisementThe Howard Government has an obligation - and the means - to try to stop the Japanese slaughter in Antarctica, writes Sue Arnold.

Ian Stroud is an old Australian whaler, almost a museum piece. Back in the mid-'50s, he was a gunner killing whales down in the Antarctic aboard the Southern Venturer. When Stroud heard about Greenpeace vessels harassing the Japanese fleet as it sets about the grisly business of killing a thousand minkes and 10 fin whales in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, he picked up the phone.

His descriptions of the trauma whales endure is hard to listen to. He spoke of whales defecating in terror, crying their distress as the whalers chased them. He spoke of watching and listening to a mother and calf scream as the male was killed in front of them. He recalled how easy it was to kill humpbacks; how the killing season for humpbacks had to be restricted to four days a year because they were such an easy target. He talked about how fin whales fought back, about the oceans of blood that poured over the decks of whaling ships as harpoons sank into living flesh, the whales sometimes taking hours to die - whales, unlike humans, do not lose consciousness until they die, suffering right to the last breath.

This is the fate of l7,000 minkes, 800 humpbacks and 800 fin whales targeted by Japan's latest scientific whaling in a 16-year program known as JARPA 2. Towards the end of next year, Japanese whalers will begin killing the humpbacks that migrate up and down the east and west coasts of Australia

For starters they r killing whales in Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. Which is against the Law.

Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary

The Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary (SOWS) was established by the IWC in December 1994. It covers most of the Southern Ocean south of 40 degrees South, to the ice-edge, and includes all the major feeding areas for whales. Japan has objected to the inclusion of minke whales within the list of species protected from whaling within the sanctuary, and is therefore not bound by the Commission's decision to establish the sanctuary. Japan kills some 400 minke whales within the sanctuary each year, through the provisions of Article 8 of the Convention, which allows any member to issue to itself a Special Permit to kill whales for the purposes of scientific research

This is where Whales breed. Its like shooting fish in a barrell. It hard for Whales to reproduce. They r pregnant for 15 months before they deliver & of course only 1 at a time.


Also, Next year Japan will start killing Humback Whales.

Japan's plan to gradually lift the fin whales catch to 50, along with 50 humpback whales, both of which are seriously endangered species

The r endangered species!
 

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facts? "This is the fate of 17,000 minkes, 800 humpbacks and 800 fin whales targeted by Japan's latest scientific whaling in a 16-year program known as JARPA 2."

This is sure a decieving fact. This is the take over 16 years, not 1 year. 17,000 minke whales represents only 3% of the total population, and this is the take over 16 years. They'll reproduce in this 16 years, and the numbers will most likely be greater then than they are now.

Mr. Lock, is your biggest frustration with this that you feel that the whales suffer too much? Thanks for the civil discussion.
 

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MR. LOCK said:
http://www.earthisland.org/saveTaijiDolphins/

U make up ur own mind but I have presented the facts. Interpret as u may.

Japan, the counry has ruined the Oceans


Please start using unbiased websites when posting links.

That last picture of the bloody water lapping at the beach reminded me of the old WWII photos of the USA Marine carnage when they landed on Betio (Tarawa) and Omaha Beach. This was also caused by the Japanese, and if you want to hate them, this is a far better reason. I know plenty of history, and I'm absolutely no Japan lover, but I don't see the same uproar from hunting whales that you or these other organization do.
 

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SixFive said:
facts? "This is the fate of 17,000 minkes, 800 humpbacks and 800 fin whales targeted by Japan's latest scientific whaling in a 16-year program known as JARPA 2."

This is sure a decieving fact. This is the take over 16 years, not 1 year. 17,000 minke whales represents only 3% of the total population, and this is the take over 16 years. They'll reproduce in this 16 years, and the numbers will most likely be greater then than they are now.

Mr. Lock, is your biggest frustration with this that you feel that the whales suffer too much? Thanks for the civil discussion.

Yes, I do feel the Whales do suffer. Also, I know that we have brought most Whales species to the Brink of extinction with the exception of Minke Whales. And the only reason that there not extinct is because Japan in the past regarded Minke whales as to small to catch.

I have no problems with hunting although I don't do it myself. I love to fish. I can respect the challenge of tracking down your prey. Its a very intriguing game of cat & mouse.

Killing Whales is not hunting. They track Whales by sonar chase them for a while untill the run out of breath and then shoot them with a high power harpoon gun. The Whales don't have a chance. That's the difference. I hate to see the suffering but if u want to even up the game let the Japs hunt the Whales like they used to with hand held harpoons.

Respectfully

Mr. Lock
 

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MR. LOCK said:
Yes, I do feel the Whales do suffer. Also, I know that we have brought most Whales species to the Brink of extinction with the exception of Minke Whales. And the only reason that there not extinct is because Japan in the past regarded Minke whales as to small to catch.

I have no problems with hunting although I don't do it myself. I love to fish. I can respect the challenge of tracking down your prey. Its a very intriguing game of cat & mouse.

Killing Whales is not hunting. They track Whales by sonar chase them for a while untill the run out of breath and then shoot them with a high power harpoon gun. The Whales don't have a chance. That's the difference. I hate to see the suffering but if u want to even up the game let the Japs hunt the Whales like they used to with hand held harpoons.

Respectfully

Mr. Lock

Thanks. I do agree that it doesn't seem too sporting, and the whales do seem to take a long time to die.

I know there's also been a controversy with some of the native Eskimo tribes who want to continue on with their whale hunting that was stopped for many years. They still hunt quasi-traditionally I think with the harpoons, but they also use some rifles to dispatch the whales faster.
 
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