The liberal media is at it again

[StevieD]

DTB you took me task for applauding protestors while while our POW's were being tortured. My answer to you is that you should blame those that extended the war instead those who fought to end it and bring them home.
A lot like Bush you present a distorted view of anyone who does not agree with you. Bush claims the next President cannot be someone who called this war a mistake. I think the next President has to be someone who is smart enough to know this war in Iraq is a mistake.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Well put Steven. I've been saying that about Wayne for years. Spin, distort, mislead, attack, putting opponents on the defensive is the Bush and Wayne show. Grows tiresome.

Ed

 

[gardenweasel]

i always enjoy it when societal leeches like senor haskell lecture on the lack of intelligence everyone in our society that disagrees with him suffers from......

he IS john kerry`s doppelganger....

spoiled...arrogant...condescending....insincere....

and a bad listener...lol

has anyone ever seen pedro martinez` "little man" friend and edward in the same place?...

ohhhhh edward...i pop back into the political forum and you are every bit the " social fop" that you were a month ago.....guys like yourself are the best recruiting tool bush has....

but,i believe kerry will get the money...by hook or by crook....

if not,we may have a second civil war.... ex-hippie`s,lawyers,unoins,soccer moms and peaceniks.....

vs the blue collar,hard working,small businessmen,get the government off my ass,i`ll do it myself crowd.....

one thing i admit...when kerry`s elected it will be wonderful to see terrorism relegated to mere nuisance status.....like it was when the u.s.s.cole was attacked....and the first world trade center attack.....they were mere nuisances...

no sweat...with france and germany in the fold....kerry can get it done....we`ll be members of the world court,too....

i can`t wait....it will be fun to pick kerry to pieces.....and watch "the edwards" of the world play defense for a change...

hell,when the going gets tough,my guess is, that edward will turn on kerry...

 

[ryson]

If kerry gets elected he will be the richest president to ever hold office....he is looking out for the middle class

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Where the difference lies Edward and Stevie is in YOUR spin.
I did not diss anyone for speaking out against the war.
I am dissing him for speaking against those who fought there as is the ad.
I will continuely speak out against his opportunuistic tactics of the war and running on them later.
When you can find "anyone" that ever served in" any" war getting and nominating himself for 3 purple hearts in 3 months without so much as one stitch I'll kiss both your asses at MJ's Superbowl party.
--per official medical reports abrasions-scraps treated with bacitracion oinment and released--You tell me how can someone in combat who sees others lose limbs and die nominate himself for same award under these conditions--unless he is self promting or scared shitless and will do anything to get out of dodge.
I eagerly await any alternative answer you can conclude.

 

[djv]

Again it's not logical. No one is smart enough to plan so well when they enlist. Hey Joe ya Fred. Stick your hand up take one in the wrist today. Next week take one in the arm. Then tomorrow get hit in the leg. Make them all easy ones then you can go home. I signed up to fight just so I could try this plan. I could have ducked like Bush did and stayed home. But I thought this was a better idea.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

If you took the time to read the fact that been presented here and elsewhere you would see the logic.

A. you don't enlist in Navy for combat reasons when the opponant has no navy or Airforce

B. By Kerry's own admission in Boston Globe article
when he volunteered for Swiftboats when they were doing non combat duty off the coast.

C. He gets thrown into combat duty on Swiftboat mission format change

D. Within 3 months he nominates himself for 3 purple hearts and gets the fck out of dodge.

E. the only distinction he earned was---
"So far as we are able to determine, Kerry was the only Swift sailor ever to leave Vietnam without completing the standard one-year tour of duty, other than those who were seriously wounded or killed."

Now what does logic now tell you my friend???????

 

[StevieD]

I will not defend Kerry or his medals. But I will defend those who spoke out against the war. And Kerry did speak out against it. Bush, on the other hand, claims to have supported his countries position, yet sought a cushy assignment in the National Guard, that he got only with his fathers influence, to assure that he would not have to go anywhere near Vietnam. That speaks volumns about the man. What kind of a person is a cheerleader for a war that he himself is using influence to avoid?

And Gardenweasel as for the nusance claim did you bother to read the article? He wants to get to the point where terrorism gets to be a nusiance instead of a way of life. I would think that is the point we are all trying to get to. And don't give me this we were weak on terrorism crap either. Before 9-11 Bush cut the budget for fighting terrorism!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Viet Nam is a Rovian planned deflection from the shortcomings of the criminals in office. Focus remains on Bush. For those of you unaware (Weasel, Wayne and Wilson et al.) the final debate between the dumbest person ever elected President of this country and his challenger.

In my view, Bush is the one who needs the good showing. Kerry can continue to make sense and momentum stays with him. The only thing I'll say about the Viet Nam thing is that I think when the voters get to the booth they won't be considering either sides spin and nuance. I think they will look at this issue, if they look at it at all, as follows:

Kerry served, Bush ducked.

Final note on this issue Wayne, it is interesting how all of a sudden, in this campaign, the Viet Nam war was the right thing to do when for the past 30 years Americans considered Viet Nam a mistake. the facists regime spin machine in this country has turned an American mistake into "hey, you didnt support America in Viet Nam there must be something wrong with you."

For the last time, Kerry spoke the truth about the Viet Nam war. Your so called comrades who are anti-Kerry continue to live a lie. Americans committed atrocities in Viet Nam. I wasn't there but I know enough people who were.

The rule was shoot first ask questions later. That is the way that war was fought. Everybody wanted to get out with there skin. From what I understand, if I were there I would have done the same thing. Again, Kerry spoke the truth not some mom, apple pie, chevrolet sanatized version that can be stomached by your average dumb joe.

Eddie

Oh yes, Weasel. Thank you for the kind words. That is about all your nonsensical jibberish deserves.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"For the last time, Kerry spoke the truth about the Viet Nam war. Your so called comrades who are anti-Kerry continue to live a lie. Americans committed atrocities in Viet Nam. I wasn't there but I know enough people who were.
The rule was shoot first ask questions later."

Edward there are artocties by both sides in every war but I will tell that they are the exceptions not the rule.

The rule was not to shoot 1st and ask questions later--quite the exception. You had no fire zones and free fire zones. In no fire zones you could not fire except in self defence--free fire zones contrary to what Kerry and others would have you believe were not where you shot everything that walk. They were area where no known friendlys were to be and if you came accross what you determined to be the enemy you were authorized to do so.
While I did see women and children as GI's killed by accident via short rounds ect--I never saw a child or woman shot by troop on the ground.

Stevie I'll stand by you on those that spoke out against the war and agree it had great deal to do with shortening the war--where I draw the line is it carried over to dissing the troops when they came home---and they did not deserve it.In fact most over there were against war for many more reasons than those sitting back here in comfort.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

I cant give you x's and o's on combat and the war in Viet Nam. But I can, like the swift boat veterans, you so heartily side with, give you accounts of Viet Nam from what I have heard from those that were there.

No one gave a shit about anything. All those there wanted to do was do there time and get the hell out, hopefully in one piece. It was a horribly wrong war and toward the end no one knew what they were fighting for. It was kill or be killed.

My cousin in law was there and basically this is his story of what happened. You did shoot first then ask later. It was your own skin. Your in a jungle where the enemy was popping out of tunnels. As I indicated, if I was there I would probably have done the same thing.

I strongly disagree with your sanatized, orderly account of how the fighting went. If you proclaim first hand knowledge, where were you and how long. My recollection from your past posts was that you were in southeast Asia but not Viet Nam for combat.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Edward served over a year(extended) in Viet Nam and Cambodia with 2/12 Cav Comany E Recon which was long range reconisance patrols (LRRP's)

When my military experiences were questioned earlier in year I requested my records from Personell Records Center and had Clint paste them since I couldn't figure out how.
You can go to this thread and scroll down and view and if you have any further questions I will try and answer.

http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146823&page=2&pp=30&highlight=dtb+medals

 

[gardenweasel]

""spoiled...arrogant...condescending....insincere.... ""

i missed one....dismissive.....

thanks for the counterpoint,counselor.....

say hi to "eae",if you guys run into one another..


p.s...don`t take it personally...you know i enjoy your schtick...

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Didn't take it personally weasel. Just thought you were talking about Bush.

Ed

 

[ocelot]

I guess My-Lai was just my imagination.

 

[Chanman]

John Kerry stated on NBC's "Meet The Press" on 18 April 1971:

"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones."(According to Kerry: zones where all men, women and children, who were in that specific zone had to be shot) "I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages."

John Kerry isn't hated, because he was against the war. Vietnam Veterans hate John Kerry, because he defamed them, insulted them, called them warcriminals, rapists and baby killers. They hate him, because he successfully managed to make Americans believe his lies and managed to make America ashamed of the servicemen, who fought in Vietnam.