The List of NBA Deadbeats

Nolan Dalla

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I love this topic.......it came up on the Halftime thread tonight:

Here's the list of deadbeats (jokers who show no pride in themselves, but can't be faded either, because they occassionally get bitten in the ass an actually show up to play occasionally (usually when you re on the other side):


1. MILWAUKEE -- is there a bigger group of underacheivers than this bunch of deadbeats? They can play with the best in the league one night (when the 3's fall) then lose to teams like Cleveland an Chicago the next. This is a horrible home favorite.

2. NEW YORK -- it's a delight to watch this awful, perpeutually over-rated team get destroyed every night. To their credit, they are some fighters on this team, but overall they don't have the talent (and never have, since the days of Willis Reed) to be a championship calibre team,

3. CLEVELAND -- This whole starting lineup plays like they have mittens on the hands one game, then they score 116 the next, Mihm is bar none, the worst player in the NBA in my view. This team is the the NBA what the Saints are to the NFL -- a club that is synonymous with LOSING.

4. TORONTO -- So star Carter gets injured and the whole freakin' team goes on vacation. this is a truly gutless team that really showed their stripes when they were playing in Sacramento a couple of months ago, was getting blown out -- and the Raptors were seen laughing and joking on the bench.

5. DENVER -- When this team falls behind, they simply pack it in. There is no chemistry nor regard for staying respectable once these clowns fall behind by double digits. They're ready to go out and party.

DIS-HONORABLE MENTION: Charlotte, Phoenix, Detroit


TEAMS WITH HEART:

(1) Washington Wizards -- any question about this? Jordan suits up and this team makes a complete turnaround. And, they'll only get better as the season goes along.

(2) Utah Jazz -- A team everyoe (including me) thought was too old and too slow to compete in a tough conference. The recent five game road winning streak shows this team is made of real grit.

(3) Dallas Mavericks -- Maybe a controversial choice, but the owner gives them a special brand of enthusiasm that is rare in the NBA. This long-suffering franchise is going to win a title eventually, and will deserve it due to Mark Cuban's remarkable ownership. Team gets a black eye from its horrendous defense -- this is the Lloyola Marymount of the modern era.

(4) LA Clippers -- Not the most talented team in the league, of course, but for a very young bunch, they seem to play tough more nights than not.

(5) New Jersey -- Amazingly, this may be the best team in the East, showing the tremendous disparity between the conferences. Nets hae com a long way in the past year and play competitively most games.

HONORABLE MENTION: Golden State, Boston, Sacramento

Just my opinion.


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Nolan, great write up! i would add PORTLAND to the first group. somedays they show up and some they don't. how many t's can wallace bone you with when you bet them? 1 team i can never figure out (like Milwaukee!) have a good night!:D
 

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Mittens on the Cavs hands..............

Mittens on the Cavs hands..............

LMAO Nolan.

They had mittens and their rubber boots on tonight!
 

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Rockets have lots of heart too........they actually believe they are still in the playoff hunt......almost always give a good effort night in and night out......very few nights off.......even Francis battled his migraines today to get win.......

the sad thing is, is that they also play very sloppy with leads.......almost always a good dog play.......almost always a good team to take points at halftime and play to 0 on either side of the line.......

they play bad down the stretch too because offense bogs down and everyone goes 1 on 1......
 

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Thanks everyone!

I put up an edited version in tomorrow page (FREE PICKS). I guess this is just venting, but with just one game going now (pretty much decided), it's sometimes fun to just blow off steam.

It's allowed, right?

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Just wondering why you think Golden State has heart?

Just wondering why you think Golden State has heart?

Warriors are 15-34 and 21-27 ATS. They seem to me to be just as clueless as their last couple of year's have been. They have so much more talent than their record indicates purely , but it just seems like this team underachieves year in and year out. This team needed Cowan and he did get the team to at least play hard every night. This team will never be a winner with the core players they have. Don't get me wrong talent exists here , but something must be in the water in northern Cali! The big strong front line they have with the great rebounding is now extinct. It just seems to me this team has quit once again.They lost their last 4 out of 5 at home and needs a major overhaul once again to build some chemistry.
Jamison- decent player but can't handle go to duties night in and night out
Hughes-athletic guy with good intentions but can't shoot and their is no way he should be running point
Richardson-one of better athletes in NBA but that's it. His basketball fundamentals are a joke even though he might win the slam dunk competition the next five years. Instead of practicing windmill jams Jason go shoot some jump shots for a few hours.
Fortson-big time glass guy and not much else. A big dissapointment as far as what i thought he might mean to this team this year
Dampier-Just call him Mr. Knees. The guy just is too fragile and too many injuries.
Bobby Sura-He might be a good player on one of those mens' league teams in PA where he came from but why is this guy still in NBA!Turnovers, shot selection, bad mouthing teammates!
Todd Murphy-another classic story of white guy gone bad in NBA.Can u say the Great WHite Nope Part Deux! LOL! Here in Jersey Keith Van Horn is #1.
 

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If you appraise them ON their home floor.........

If you appraise them ON their home floor.........

Charlotte would definitely crack into the "Top 5" deadbeats.

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Man....I'm still laugh'n about the Cavs with "mittens on their hands & galoshes on their feet"!

That truely sums up my play on the Cavs last night. You a so witty Nolan....I can barely stand to read your stuff.

Let's all reload and have a better day today....at least I hope to. ez
 

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You are probably correct that GST does not belong on the good list. I watch most of their games and had a selective memory, I guess. One point -- I love Sura's game at times -- and I also love that he tries to be a leader on a leaderless team (he has little talent, but lots of heart). Reminds me of Brad Davis for the Mavericks back in the 80s, when he used to dive for balls and give it everything, even when the team had no chance to win. Your assessment of everyone else on the roster is right on te mark. I withdraw GST from the lsit because of your persuasive argument.

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I would say the Bulls have heart. They certainly have no talent yet they keep trying. Last night's game, with numerous players held out due to the impending trade or due to injuries, was not indicative.
 

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I also think Bobby Sura is....

I also think Bobby Sura is....

aggressive and a hussle machine. That's a pretty good comparison to Brad Davis. Heck maybe Bobby is sportin' the blonde doo due to Davis.hehe~~~
 

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Great write in Nolan but I have to agree w/ djaybaby, the Washington Bullets (are they now the Wizards?) are terrible pure and simple-slow + lazy. As far as my home team the Hornets go they are playing w/ their heads chopped off because of their future is in such disarray and that's the fault of the fans and the owners.
 

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Nolan,

Totally agree with you assessments of the deadbeat teams but you said something about the Knicks that i dont agree with...

"overall they don't have the talent (and never have, since the days of Willis Reed) to be a championship calibre team"

Now correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't the Knicks one game or a few made jumpers by John Starks away from a championship in 1994? Also, if you take away a guy they call MJ who knows how many titles the Knicks could have won. The way I see it, if it were not for Jordan, the Knicks and Patrick Ewing probably own at least a couple of those rings that belong to Jordan.
 

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my 2 cents

my 2 cents

would remove Golden State from the plus list and add Memphis....out-talented, but they do not quit. A very nice back-door cover type of team.

my vote for the most gutless squad is Denver
 

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Glad to see that just a on the spot idea that came in my head was actually implemented by Nolan ..

ND thanx bro ..

Here is my list

Dead beats :

1. Bucks

Bucks are a bunch of goons. They come and hit 80% one night and then revert back the other way and hit 25% the next. I for one simply cannot call any plays on them. One thing I have seen is its hard to cap pure jump shooting team. Main reason being that if a team has a lot of points in the paint more often than not these points are off high % shots. Jump shooting team live and die by the jump shot. Some of these are Bucks, Knicks, Raptors among many others.


2. Charolette

These guys do not know where they are gonna play. All they know for sure is that the monthly cheque will still keep on coming.
I am not sure of how Mashburn's return will affect them but certain things cannot be changed and one is the attitute of the team. Guys are talented but damn .. could not even cover the spread against a depleted .. and when i mean depleted .. its an 2-12 squad w/o Carter .. and won it by one point .. again bunch of goons

3. Lakers

Lakers may cover the spread a lot of times but one way to play the lakers in my opinion is to bet with them when they play against good teams usually. Not true as of late. Bet on moneyline of their opponent if opponent is considered really bad team e.g. Chicago, Memphis, GS, Nuggets etc. Lakers are playing as if they are just bored and waiting for playoff's to start. I lost money on them in their game against Boston on the total but boy .. losing that money was ok compared to the joy i felt when Boston's Walker hit that 3 pointer with 1.8 seconds left to defeat Lakers.
(Agreed its all about money but sometimes money is not everything .. there is also Visa and MasterCard)

4. Spurs @ Home
God knows what Spurs have been doing in the last few weeks but must b that bong thing Always Prayin carries around. Thats how they have been playing at home. Lookin to bet against them at home. Good team but usually ends up with the Under and does not cover the spread against bad teams.

Spurs play hard on the road though.

5. NEW YORK KNICKS
Had been to the Raptors / Knicks game in last years playoffs in Toronto .. god .. cannot imagine i paid $120 to see these thugs ..
This year they are playing really bad .. but bad only in second half ..usually they come up firing .. usually .. but I dont think they even wanna get into the playoff's .. will use the WTC Sept 11 incident as an excuse .. affected their mentality and mind 2 much .. idiots just dont wanna play .. I know there is no such thing as a SURE THING but .. Bet against Knicks in the second half if they are leading in the First .. This system has been money recently .. I posted this in the half time thread when someone was taking Knicks for -0.5 .. and Chicago outscored them and won the game .. wow right .. no surprise to me .. I had my mind on Chicago but when I left work the line was not up .. and when I came home game had already started .. but bunch of overpaid thugs .. (actually only few overpaid thugs .. the other get average money) walkin around in the second half .. Dont like the plays of the coach also .. honestly I think I can move around the players time and manage them better than this idiot . . the other day Houston had 12 points in first quarter .. gets taken out .. comes back late in 3'rd quarter .. wow ...

6. Miami

These guys must wanna go and relax on the beach .. they have won 10 of last 13 but man .. what shooting % .. how can a team with experienced players like mourning .. eddie jones .. brian grant .. etc .. score 11 points and 9 points in 2 quarters in the same game .. wow .. causes a lot of pain for those on the OVer right .. damn right .. these guys are paid millions to score some points .. mebbe shud start a system where u get paid only according to how many points the team scores .. then u will find Miami scoring like Dallas ..

7. Dallas ..

Dallas are a bunch of players who should be working at Dairy Queen and giving out food at lunch time .. The way they play . fast with no defence and do not guard anyone makes me think they can handle the lunch crowd .. and Cuban can be the manager ..

Dallas has lots of idiots but the most idiot is that Don Nelson's Son .. Nelson Jr. .. I think personally he bets thru his friend on Dallas Over every game .. I have thought about this a lot of times and I still cannot understand .. game in qs .. against minny day before .. Dallas losing by 18 points .. Dallas has pulled out its starters .. why would u then try to foul on every play .. just cannot understand .. 27 points scored in 3 minutes .. how how how how ??????????? Mebbe Coach Sr did not wanna be blamed so he takes 2 technicals and leaves the game leaving Coach Jr to clean up .. btw 2 technicals also lead to 2 free throws ..

If u wanna bet on this team bet with Nelson Jr and go OVER ..
DO NOT .. I repeat .. DO NOT bet on the Under because u are not fighting against the players only but also their coach ..

8. Cleveland ..

good team .. but very inconsistent .. Murray and Miller playin good ball .. Hill is back also .. but just cannot understand when they are shooting 24% how Murray can get only 9 minutes and 3 shots off .. wow .. go to ur best man .. thats what I was told when I played basketball as a kid .. anyways .. better to stay off .. unless they are on a roll .. on the road .. play horrible @ home looks like ..

Fade away from them if they have won big game on road ..

9. Raptors

Hometown Raptors .. live in Canada .. earn US $ and pay taxes in US .. one of the most unpredictable team like the Bucks and Knicks .. similar in all 3 .. pure jump shooting team .. great to bet against and the Under as far as Carter is out ..
Dont wanna write much .. avoid playing them as much as possible .. more painful watching them on TV when I have a bet on them ..

10. Nuggets

Wonder why all the players want out of Denver .. is it the altitude or something else .. Denver themselves have shipped out a lot of good players .. players who had the good potential to be all star someday.. someone like Keon Clark for instance .. I really wonder why Nick Van Excel wants out .. SO it all boils down to ..
If a team cannot keep its players some thing has to b wrong with the team .. Bad Management .. i think so .. does a player give 110% in such an environment .. people do no do that in my office .. its all about motivation .. Have seen Denver get off slow and quit in the second half .. Good team to bet against .. they do have their I won days .. e.g. against Minny .. but thats another story ..

11. Phoenix : Traded away Jason Kidd for his off the court trouble and got Marbury .. cost Skiles his job .. 2 incosistent .. I think they traded Rodney Rogers today .. Rogers I think is one of the best 6 man player .. Cannot figure these guys out ...

Teams that I find at least try more often than not to play :

1. Memphis

2. Chicago

3. Golden State (GS is great at rebounding which gives it some easy points. Also I observe that usually they play strong in second half than first half)

4. Orlando : This team tries hard .. good shooting team when in the flow ..

5. Detroit .. lost their play by .5 but usually they crank up their
defence in the second half and have the will at least to win

6. Wizards : One man makes all the difference .. Who else MJ

7. Boston : Plays hard with their 2 man team but fade against them usually in back to back games ..especially second half ..

8. Houston: usually plays hard .. killed me with their play against Bucks today .. but its just one of those days

9. New Jersey : Plays hard and wins .. usually consistent team .. play these guys in first half usually .. come out strong .. then fade in second half if they have big big lead after first half ..

10. Minnesotta: Minny is still good team at home. Play good basketball and more often than not cover spread at home. Horrible team on road last few weeks.

11. Clippers: These guys may be like a bunch of high school kids thrown together but at least they seem to have a will to win and run up and down the floor.

12. Sacremento: Kings great play at home. Not so on the road. Webber settling in. Would be good in a few weeks as playoffs draw near.

13. Seattle : Another team that plays hard .. I really respect the Glove Payton .. plays hard day in day out .. and MacMillan has done a great job with this team ..

14. Utah : Utah has manged to turn around its fortunes after losses to Houston and Memphis .. excellent after All Star Break .. doing great so far on the road trip .. Malone and Stockton and Sloan do not like to lose .. at least play hard ..

15. Atlanta: Atlanta has been playing good in the last few games .. other than the blowout in Sac .. but that was expected since Sac lost the earlier game to Seattle .. knew they would come back stronger than ever .. but Atlanta has got back some of its key players and should be a team to watch for to cover the spread even though they have no chance of playoffs .

16. Indiana : Another team which lives by the jump shot but they are in this section because they play hard most of the times and i think the trade with Chicago really helps them.

17. Philadelphia : Iverson is a fighter and a leader on court .. good things happen when u have a leader on court ..e.g. Washington .. If this team is healthy they can be really good ..


Not in either table

PORTLAND :

The highest bank roll in the whole of NBA .. Super Stars from all teams collected together .. but very very very inconsistent ..
When Wallace really wants to play who can stop him .. not many people ... .. All players are like that ...


Cheers !!!
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wow .. had 10327 characters in the earlier post and had to reduce it to below 10000 .. hmmm ... I think it was 10000 .. or was it below 1000 .. cannot remember now .. late night ..

gotta hit the sack and go to work tomorrow

bye
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wanted to bring this one up .. Please continue the tradition of posting your list of deadbeat teams around a month into the NBA season. Boys do u remember this thread .. :eek:

right now almost all teams get the :thefinger

the only team which really tries hard but are just incompetent are the Nuggets. .. .. .



really tries hard NOT TO SCORE POINTS that is ..

:hail :scared
 

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BROTHER.............

BROTHER.............

you are "strolling through the park and reminiscing"!!! LOL

I agree......one of the FUNNIEST things I ever read here at MJ's was Nolan describing Cleveland Cavalier play as "they have mittens on their hands and galoshes on their feet!"

Dang.....I'm still laugh'n my :moon: off.....even as I type this.

HERE.....HERE......bring back Nolan's TOP 5 DEADBEATS/TOP 5 WITH HEART list by popular demand or Spock and I will start a mutiny here at Madjacks!

Mittens and galoshes.........LMAO.
 

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Nolan,

Agree with the majority of your list although I don't quite understand having the Pistons listed on your heartless "dis-honorable mention" list

If there is any team that plays hard and brings it to the court more often than not, it's the Pistons. They may play like shit every so often, but they play great D.

9-3 start isn't too bad. I wouldn't play them to cover a spread, but just my opinion

SPITS
 
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