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HAHAHA Kosar are you serious about that quote from Sponge?!?! What thread was that from? That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever read, sponge wrestling with a retard that is strong as an ox in walmart HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA times infinity! I was almost crying imagining that.

Anyway, I think its funny that the regulars go on as normal in this forum and then there will be a new member show up in every thread and post how bad the govt is. that always makes me laugh. I thought sponge was going to be one o those 1 and done kinda guys but he has provided me with so many great quotes
 
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Kosar- He still had a chance to score with the chick from the blackjack table, but couldn't close (which is very un-Saul-like), so it can't be an indictment on you.

It's not unusual at all for Saul to not close. He's a very low-pressure salesman....perhaps too low pressure at times. Then again, when drunk and tired at 5 am, the thought of sleep can overwhelm almost anything.

I think Kosar and Saul were both playing hard to get. Someone had to be the aggressor, but it never happened. And that palace of a room was to big to create accidental tender moments. Maybe next time...

-Saul
 

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I think Kosar and Saul were both playing hard to get. Someone had to be the aggressor, but it never happened. And that palace of a room was to big to create accidental tender moments. Maybe next time...

It was comforting just knowing you were sleeping in the living room.
 

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Kosar- He still had a chance to score with the chick from the blackjack table, but couldn't close (which is very un-Saul-like), so it can't be an indictment on you.

I think Saul might have been a little overly optimistic about his chances with the blackjack table chick. Just because she mumbled 'hello' and turned away does not mean she wanted him.

His cute little joke of 'can I buy you a drink', when the drinks are free at the table, didn't seem to be well received by anybody, much less by the target of his affection.
 

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I think Saul might have been a little overly optimistic about his chances with the blackjack table chick. Just because she mumbled 'hello' and turned away does not mean she wanted him.

His cute little joke of 'can I buy you a drink', when the drinks are free at the table, didn't seem to be well received by anybody, much less by the target of his affection.

Oh, I dodn't realize you were listening in. I thought you were too busy losing $125 a roll at the craps table, then running to the cashier trying to talk them into giving you credit card advances, then running back to the craps table and starting the cycle all over again. How did you find the time to evaluate Saul's game through all that?
 

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Oh, I dodn't realize you were listening in. I thought you were too busy losing $125 a roll at the craps table, then running to the cashier trying to talk them into giving you credit card advances, then running back to the craps table and starting the cycle all over again. How did you find the time to evaluate Saul's game through all that?

The dice were cold that day, my friend. Then when I played 'don't', they turned hot. That's about how that whole weekend went. :rolleyes:
 

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GW Wasn't at superbowl party--was at get together this summer--was in Jacks suite--we had great time and was doing a little camera posing for instances just like this.
You'd like Matt--a great guy as was the The Judge-Terry-Ray- Kneifl- Ctown and a few others I got to meet--missed you big boy :)
 

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lol....

i don`t know,dtb...if i showed up,i think i`d have to hire security....

kosar and smurph and their puppetmaster spytheweb might just do me in......

and then theres spongy....

i`d feel more threatened than richard simmons kissing george michael on main st in mecca...
 

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Ahh Weasel, all politics gets thrown aside. In fact, I seem to remember Raymond and I uniting in effort to save some guys life ...or something to that effect. He fell face-up drunk after the Superbowl and passed out. If Raymond hadn't noticed, he probably would have gone Jimmy Hendrix on us.

Who's this Spiderweb puppet thing you speak of?
 

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and on this bill,i don`t understand the bitching...should the monsters that want your heads in a bucket,that run around in civilian clothes,who`s gig is killing as many innocents as possible,who doesn`t ascribe to any conventions,much less the geneva conventions.....have the same rights as you and i?

Weasal if it was as cut and dry as you seem to believe this would be a good bill but when you have people who are money hungry and power hungry then tend to abuse these type of bills just like they have the NSA program. They have already been caught bugging peoples phones who in no way are related to terrorism. How you think these people in charge are so honest befuddles me.
 

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and on this bill said:
that`s my spongy....this is why you are swiftly taking your place among the elite moonbats on the site....

just like a pavlovian dog......all you have to do is say one or more of the magic phrases:

revolution...
power to the people...
stick it to the man....
speak truth to power......

and you lose all power of rational thought.... it`s not 1968 anymore,bud....

but you`re a lot of fun to have around...i really don`t understand why your blood brethren give you so much grief(kosar and smurphy)....ohhh,that`s right,it`s opposites that attract...

3 peas in a pod...and then theres bryanz..:SIB .

more fun than a barrel of moonbats...

you guys are amazing......and i mean that in a good way...
 

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Like usual Weasal i don't have a clue what you are talking about. When i use to read your post i thought it was some kind of Madjacks lingo. I just tried to read it but usually gave up. Fianlly i saw Smurph write a response to you asking you to write in english.
Do you need proof that the Bush clan abused the NSA program? I can give you the proof but i have seen many give you proof on other topics but it seems to make you even more clueless. By the way the fear game is coming live and soon so keep pumping that bowflex so you don't have to hide under the bed.
 

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LOL at you people who can't use the quote tool worth shlt. I know, I know, it cuts off part of the line whe you copy - but you gotta riuse above and be resourceful.

Thanks for grouping everyone together, Weasel. When will you tire of the word "moonbat"? Boy howdy, when you like a phrase, you sure do use it to death.
 

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yeah...you can show the proof...but,take your time,i`m beat.......

you know i was kidding around with that last post.....

but,i am shocked that your boys are constantly on your ass...........they beat on you worse than lieberman`s beating on lamont...

i think it`s uncalled for...it`s unnatural for liberal dems to be knawing on one another`s ankles this close to election day...

you bullies leave spongy alone!
 

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yeah...you can show the proof...but,take your time,i`m beat.......

you know i was kidding around with that last post.....

but,i am shocked that your boys are constantly on your ass...........they beat on you worse than lieberman`s beating on lamont...

i think it`s uncalled for...it`s unnatural for liberal dems to be knawing on one another`s ankles this close to election day...

you bullies leave spongy alone!

no big deal weasal i will always have a soft spot in my heart for a guy that talks in the boxing thread. Plus like i said before your the first conservative that actually saved me money and not try to steal it from me. Maybe your a closet liberal and you don't even know it?
As for my attackers? well i hear im a liberal but i don't know of any that supports Pat Buchana immagration thoughts. I also said i think the republican platform speaks a lot better than the dem platform its just they never stick to their platform. Conserative i agree with. Are they? No.
 

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Here you go weasal

Is the Pentagon spying on Americans?


Secret database obtained by NBC News tracks ?suspicious? domestic groups

By Lisa Myers, Douglas Pasternak, Rich Gardella / NBC

WASHINGTON - A year ago, at a Quaker Meeting House in Lake Worth, Fla., a small group of activists met to plan a protest of military recruiting at local high schools. What they didn't know was that their meeting had come to the attention of the U.S. military.

A secret 400-page Defense Department document obtained by NBC News lists the Lake Worth meeting as a ?threat? and one of more than 1,500 ?suspicious incidents? across the country over a recent 10-month period.

?This peaceful, educationally oriented group being a threat is incredible,? says Evy Grachow, a member of the Florida group called The Truth Project.

?This is incredible,? adds group member Rich Hersh. ?It's an example of paranoia by our government,? he says. ?We're not doing anything illegal.?

The Defense Department document is the first inside look at how the U.S. military has stepped up intelligence collection inside this country since 9/11, which now includes the monitoring of peaceful anti-war and counter-military recruitment groups.

?I think Americans should be concerned that the military, in fact, has reached too far,? says NBC News military analyst Bill Arkin.

The Department of Defense declined repeated requests by NBC News for an interview. A spokesman said that all domestic intelligence information is ?properly collected? and involves ?protection of Defense Department installations, interests and personnel.? The military has always had a legitimate ?force protection? mission inside the U.S. to protect its personnel and facilities from potential violence. But the Pentagon now collects domestic intelligence that goes beyond legitimate concerns about terrorism or protecting U.S. military installations, say critics.

Four dozen anti-war meetings
The DOD database obtained by NBC News includes nearly four dozen anti-war meetings or protests, including some that have taken place far from any military installation, post or recruitment center. One ?incident? included in the database is a large anti-war protest at Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles last March that included effigies of President Bush and anti-war protest banners. Another incident mentions a planned protest against military recruiters last December in Boston and a planned protest last April at McDonald?s National Salute to America?s Heroes ? a military air and sea show in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

The Fort Lauderdale protest was deemed not to be a credible threat and a column in the database concludes: ?US group exercising constitutional rights.? Two-hundred and forty-three other incidents in the database were discounted because they had no connection to the Department of Defense ? yet they all remained in the database.

The DOD has strict guidelines (PDF), adopted in December 1982, that limit the extent to which they can collect and retain information on U.S. citizens.

Still, the DOD database includes at least 20 references to U.S. citizens or U.S. persons. Other documents obtained by NBC News show that the Defense Department is clearly increasing its domestic monitoring activities. One DOD briefing document stamped ?secret? concludes: ?[W]e have noted increased communication and encouragement between protest groups using the nternet,? but no ?significant connection? between incidents, such as ?reoccurring instigators at protests? or ?vehicle descriptions.?

The increased monitoring disturbs some military observers.

?It means that they?re actually collecting information about who?s at those protests, the descriptions of vehicles at those protests,? says Arkin. ?On the domestic level, this is unprecedented,? he says. ?I think it's the beginning of enormous problems and enormous mischief for the military.?

Some former senior DOD intelligence officials share his concern. George Lotz, a 30-year career DOD official and former U.S. Air Force colonel, held the post of Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Oversight from 1998 until his retirement last May. Lotz, who recently began a consulting business to help train and educate intelligence agencies and improve oversight of their collection process, believes some of the information the DOD has been collecting is not justified.

Make sure they are not just going crazy
?Somebody needs to be monitoring to make sure they are just not going crazy and reporting things on U.S. citizens without any kind of reasoning or rationale,? says Lotz. ?I demonstrated with Martin Luther King in 1963 in Washington,? he says, ?and I certainly didn?t want anybody putting my name on any kind of list. I wasn?t any threat to the government,? he adds.

The military?s penchant for collecting domestic intelligence is disturbing ? but familiar ? to Christopher Pyle, a former Army intelligence officer.

?Some people never learn,? he says. During the Vietnam War, Pyle blew the whistle on the Defense Department for monitoring and infiltrating anti-war and civil rights protests when he published an article in the Washington Monthly in January 1970.

The public was outraged and a lengthy congressional investigation followed that revealed that the military had conducted investigations on at least 100,000 American citizens. Pyle got more than 100 military agents to testify that they had been ordered to spy on U.S. citizens ? many of them anti-war protestors and civil rights advocates. In the wake of the investigations, Pyle helped Congress write a law placing new limits on military spying inside the U.S.

But Pyle, now a professor at Mt. Holyoke College in Massachusetts, says some of the information in the database suggests the military may be dangerously close to repeating its past mistakes.

?The documents tell me that military intelligence is back conducting investigations and maintaining records on civilian political activity. The military made promises that it would not do this again,? he says.

Too much data?
Some Pentagon observers worry that in the effort to thwart the next 9/11, the U.S. military is now collecting too much data, both undermining its own analysis efforts by forcing analysts to wade through a mountain of rubble in order to obtain potentially key nuggets of intelligence and entangling U.S. citizens in the U.S. military?s expanding and quiet collection of domestic threat data.

Two years ago, the Defense Department directed a little known agency, Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA, to establish and ?maintain a domestic law enforcement database that includes information related to potential terrorist threats directed against the Department of Defense.? Then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz also established a new reporting mechanism known as a TALON or Threat and Local Observation Notice report. TALONs now provide ?non-validated domestic threat information? from military units throughout the United States that are collected and retained in a CIFA database. The reports include details on potential surveillance of military bases, stolen vehicles, bomb threats and planned anti-war protests. In the program?s first year, the agency received more than 5,000 TALON reports. The database obtained by NBC News is generated by Counterintelligence Field Activity.

CIFA is becoming the superpower of data mining within the U.S. national security community. Its ?operational and analytical records? include ?reports of investigation, collection reports, statements of individuals, affidavits, correspondence, and other documentation pertaining to investigative or analytical efforts? by the DOD and other U.S. government agencies to identify terrorist and other threats. Since March 2004, CIFA has awarded at least $33 million in contracts to corporate giants Lockheed Martin, Unisys Corporation, Computer Sciences Corporation and Northrop Grumman to develop databases that comb through classified and unclassified government data, commercial information and Internet chatter to help sniff out terrorists, saboteurs and spies.

One of the CIFA-funded database projects being developed by Northrop Grumman and dubbed ?Person Search,? is designed ?to provide comprehensive information about people of interest.? It will include the ability to search government as well as commercial databases. Another project, ?The Insider Threat Initiative,? intends to ?develop systems able to detect, mitigate and investigate insider threats,? as well as the ability to ?identify and document normal and abnormal activities and ?behaviors,?? according to the Computer Sciences Corp. contract. A separate CIFA contract with a small Virginia-based defense contractor seeks to develop methods ?to track and monitor activities of suspect individuals.?

?The military has the right to protect its installations, and to protect its recruiting services,? says Pyle. ?It does not have the right to maintain extensive files on lawful protests of their recruiting activities, or of their base activities,? he argues.

Lotz agrees.

?The harm in my view is that these people ought to be allowed to demonstrate, to hold a banner, to peacefully assemble whether they agree or disagree with the government?s policies,? the former DOD intelligence official says.

'Slippery slope'
Bert Tussing, director of Homeland Defense and Security Issues at the U.S. Army War College and a former Marine, says ?there is very little that could justify the collection of domestic intelligence by the Unites States military. If we start going down this slippery slope it would be too easy to go back to a place we never want to see again,? he says.
Some of the targets of the U.S. military?s recent collection efforts say they have already gone too far.

?It's absolute paranoia ? at the highest levels of our government,? says Hersh of The Truth Project.
?I mean, we're based here at the Quaker Meeting House,? says Truth Project member Marie Zwicker, ?and several of us are Quakers.?

The Defense Department refused to comment on how it obtained information on the Lake Worth meeting or why it considers a dozen or so anti-war activists a ?threat.?
 
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