how can asu lose to a team like stanford by 3 tds? this conference other than usc is really bad. boise or fresno would finish in top 3 every year.
the pac ten is a joke
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i think its more that these teams are so explosive its impossible to predict week to week what heck is gonna happen .... the conf. is def. more off. oriented that others and so leagues like SEC play closer to vest and tend to avoid boggling games like Trees, tho Harris has trees rolling and must give him credit
I'll give you a little handicapping tip...
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the league is definitely not on par with the top 4 leagues, but I think USC would be strong in any league. The rest of the conf is average to weak and the rest of the league would struggle to finish in 4th place in the top 4 leagues.
ucla-oregon-cal-etc.... would struggle to finish in the top 4 of any other conf.....really?
the big 12 looks tough with a bunch of losers after texas
the sec looks like hs football from the 50's: first team to score wins
the big 10 is as wide open as the pac-10
and the acc is average as well
again...there's little difference between the power conf and to say the pac-10 cant compete is a joke
the big 12 looks tough with a bunch of losers after texas
the sec looks like hs football from the 50's: first team to score wins
the big 10 is as wide open as the pac-10
and the acc is average as well
again...there's little difference between the power conf and to say the pac-10 cant compete is a joke
I'm not a pac-10 lover, but I do keep track of my bruins.
USC would beat any of the top teams in any other conference. Texas would be the only team that has a shot of beating them and theyll play in January so we can revisit that argument then.
USC, CAL, UCLA, and even Oregon would easily all finish top 5 in Big East.
USC, CAL, UCLA would all finish top 5 in the Big Ten with cal and ucla maybe behind ohio st and wisconsin and thats doubtful.
USC, CAL, UCLA would all finish top 5 in the Big Twelve with tex and usc at the top.
USC would win the ACC and cal and ucla might finish 4 and 5 behind va tech, florida st. although I think ucla could beat florida st.
you might not agree with any of this, but I'll give you as a whole, the bottom feeders of Pac-10 would lose to bottom feeders of the Big 4 as you put it. But the top tier teams in the Pac-10 would compete just fine with other top teams and to say otherwise isnt necessarily true.
USC would beat any of the top teams in any other conference. Texas would be the only team that has a shot of beating them and theyll play in January so we can revisit that argument then.
USC, CAL, UCLA, and even Oregon would easily all finish top 5 in Big East.
USC, CAL, UCLA would all finish top 5 in the Big Ten with cal and ucla maybe behind ohio st and wisconsin and thats doubtful.
USC, CAL, UCLA would all finish top 5 in the Big Twelve with tex and usc at the top.
USC would win the ACC and cal and ucla might finish 4 and 5 behind va tech, florida st. although I think ucla could beat florida st.
you might not agree with any of this, but I'll give you as a whole, the bottom feeders of Pac-10 would lose to bottom feeders of the Big 4 as you put it. But the top tier teams in the Pac-10 would compete just fine with other top teams and to say otherwise isnt necessarily true.
pt1gard said:
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Master Capper said:
Maybe the ACC is better than the Pac 10, but no way can anyone make an argument the SEC or Big 10 being superior. The Big 12 is a JOKE but you include them in your "top 4 leagues?"
Give me a break. :banghead:
I am telling everyone. USC will be -3 or less in the Rose Bowl. Anti Pac 10 arguments are starting up again!!!!
USC winning the ACC is sort of stretch considering it has some real tough teams. If Fla St & Miami had reliable offenses, they would be almost unbeatable with the great defense they play. Virginia Tech can be a very tough foe as well.
You can laugh but I love the job O'Brien does with BC & think they will become better in the next few years.
The Pac 10's lack of respect comes from how they don't seem to play much defense. The Pac 10 can probably outscore every conference with ease, the problem is not every game is going to be won like that.
I'd say give it a couple of years & the Pac 10 will turn out pretty strong. I think some of the teams are laying good foundations. Cal is better then what they have shown this year. UCLA seems to be back up on the rise. I think Walt can turn Stanford around, & Willingham might be able to do the same with Washington with some solid recruiting.
You can laugh but I love the job O'Brien does with BC & think they will become better in the next few years.
The Pac 10's lack of respect comes from how they don't seem to play much defense. The Pac 10 can probably outscore every conference with ease, the problem is not every game is going to be won like that.
I'd say give it a couple of years & the Pac 10 will turn out pretty strong. I think some of the teams are laying good foundations. Cal is better then what they have shown this year. UCLA seems to be back up on the rise. I think Walt can turn Stanford around, & Willingham might be able to do the same with Washington with some solid recruiting.
If you rated each team on a scale of 1-10, USC and Texas and Va Tech would be the 10's. Each team can play up, but even when they are down, they still find a way to win. That is what makes them championship contention worthy.
Other conferences like the Big Ten and SEC, have no teams that could compete with USC, Texas, or Va Tech. Just the way I think it is. They are however chocked full of 7, 8, and 9 calibre teams. Which is what brings forth the arguments of "better or worse conferences". Sticking teams like UCLA and especially Cal into SEC and the Big Ten, would be a lot harder week in and week out. The defenses in these leagues are heads and shoulders above the the other conferences on an average. When one is talking about the emotional sensitivity of a 19 yr old, these conferences would began to bear down on one's psyche.
Big East should be the topic of this thread because they are the biggest BCS joke. No team in that conference would scare the competition in another BCS conference.
As far as the toughest conference slating 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, and so on in a tennis meet sort of fashion, the SEC would probably pull out the most wins. And although the games would be kinda boring, they would average a lot less scoring and be nail biters down to the end. It makes it tougher when the Defences are so good, every single mistake could come back to haunt you, even offsides penalties, much less 5 missed field goals.
Take for instance Arizona St., beginning of season they are hyped up, almost beat a LSU team that is upper-middle of the pack in the SEC. They almost beat USC. Then turn around and lose to a horrid but improving Stanford team. All Psyche!! Losing to big Calibre teams like USC in a close fashion can wreck most teams on the verge of being considered great. Seems to happen a lot in conferences like the Big Ten, SEC, and the PAC 10. Teams in the Big 12, ACC (Miami and Fla St are SOO overated but they are 7's) and the Big East dont seem to go through that because there is such wide seperation in the Good and the Bad teams. Teams in the "lower 3 conferences" know their pecking order, only thing that seems to affect that is losing to shiddy teams outside the conference (Oklahoma).
IMHO, The Pac 10, SEC, and Big Ten are similar in structure and are the mark other conferences compare themselves to. Its really too bad the BCS top spots have to go to the Conferences instead of the consensus top 8 teams. I think we all would be happier to see the second place team in the SEC instead of the #1 team in the Big East.
Other conferences like the Big Ten and SEC, have no teams that could compete with USC, Texas, or Va Tech. Just the way I think it is. They are however chocked full of 7, 8, and 9 calibre teams. Which is what brings forth the arguments of "better or worse conferences". Sticking teams like UCLA and especially Cal into SEC and the Big Ten, would be a lot harder week in and week out. The defenses in these leagues are heads and shoulders above the the other conferences on an average. When one is talking about the emotional sensitivity of a 19 yr old, these conferences would began to bear down on one's psyche.
Big East should be the topic of this thread because they are the biggest BCS joke. No team in that conference would scare the competition in another BCS conference.
As far as the toughest conference slating 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, and so on in a tennis meet sort of fashion, the SEC would probably pull out the most wins. And although the games would be kinda boring, they would average a lot less scoring and be nail biters down to the end. It makes it tougher when the Defences are so good, every single mistake could come back to haunt you, even offsides penalties, much less 5 missed field goals.
Take for instance Arizona St., beginning of season they are hyped up, almost beat a LSU team that is upper-middle of the pack in the SEC. They almost beat USC. Then turn around and lose to a horrid but improving Stanford team. All Psyche!! Losing to big Calibre teams like USC in a close fashion can wreck most teams on the verge of being considered great. Seems to happen a lot in conferences like the Big Ten, SEC, and the PAC 10. Teams in the Big 12, ACC (Miami and Fla St are SOO overated but they are 7's) and the Big East dont seem to go through that because there is such wide seperation in the Good and the Bad teams. Teams in the "lower 3 conferences" know their pecking order, only thing that seems to affect that is losing to shiddy teams outside the conference (Oklahoma).
IMHO, The Pac 10, SEC, and Big Ten are similar in structure and are the mark other conferences compare themselves to. Its really too bad the BCS top spots have to go to the Conferences instead of the consensus top 8 teams. I think we all would be happier to see the second place team in the SEC instead of the #1 team in the Big East.
The Pac-10 is a joke.
I agree.
And it always has been.
No defense and very unpredictable outcomes.
It has been this way ever since I started watching college football.
And this is why I try to stay away from those games.........no matter how appealing they look.
Very rare for me to pay a Pac-10 game.
I agree.
And it always has been.
No defense and very unpredictable outcomes.
It has been this way ever since I started watching college football.
And this is why I try to stay away from those games.........no matter how appealing they look.
Very rare for me to pay a Pac-10 game.
im not here to 'defend' the big east nor will i profess to know everything that goes into financial part of it.
but can it really be a huge surprise that the big east is in disarray after the acc came in and hand-picked their three best teams and ripped them away from the big east.
as a hypthetical, could you imagine how bad the pac-10 would be wac all the sudden took usc, cal, and oregon away from them. it would be a truly pathetic conference.
the big east at least had the sense to get louisville. cincinnati will never be a football school though.
but can it really be a huge surprise that the big east is in disarray after the acc came in and hand-picked their three best teams and ripped them away from the big east.
as a hypthetical, could you imagine how bad the pac-10 would be wac all the sudden took usc, cal, and oregon away from them. it would be a truly pathetic conference.
the big east at least had the sense to get louisville. cincinnati will never be a football school though.
Mr Hockey said:
If the Pac 10 played offense like the SEC you would then say the Pac 10's lack of respect comes from how they don't play much offense. If Pac 10 had 6-3 type game, east coast would laugh and say they SUCK! Pac 10 will never be seen as strong conf. because of the east coast bias. USC is the only team on the west coast that has national respect. Heisman trophy is the #1 example to support this.
Good post INtheBLUE!
USC is now #2 in the BCS. I beleive this is a direct result of the strength of schedule component. After USC get their hands on Washington St. and Stanford, I expect this to widen.
No it shouldn't as Texas with their upcoming creampuffs. They will get screwed most likely against whomever they play in the Big 12 title game.
Bob Stoops said:
Texas is ahead of USC by the slimmest of margins. They can thank Texas Tech for that. TT being undefeated with one of the worst SOS's in CFB.
USC still has Fresno St., @CAL and UCLA.
If both Texas and USC go undefeated, I guarantee USC will be #1 in the BCS.
BTW, calculating SOS based on your opponens w/l record and opponents opponents w/l record is FLAWED. Biggest BS ever.
TT wins over div 1aa teams helped Texas strengthen their BCS rankings. Is that logical?
Texas BCS rating goes downhill from here on out. USC and V-Tech's BCS ratings go up from here on out. Will be interesting who takes the #2 spot between Texas and V-Tech if all 3 teams win out. Edge to Texas because they are #2 in the polls. But do people vote V-Tech #2 if they beat FSU, Miami and BC? Texas plays nobody down the stretch and they only have 1 impressive win all year @Ohio St.
As a USC fan, (if you didn't know)
I am happy USC is #2 in BCS. Gives USC something to shoot for.
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Any SEC team who might finish undefeated should also jump over Texas in SOS. WTF kind of schedule have they really played?
