The REAL story of home ownership under the Bush administration

Chadman

Realist
Forum Member
Apr 2, 2000
7,501
42
48
SW Missouri
Wayne, in particular, loves to trumpet the high home ownership numbers and how that has shown (in part) what a vibrant and growing economy we have had under Bush. So, since the credit has been claimed for this, I assume the credit on the back end when as many as 2.2 million homeowners are foreclosed on can be factored in to the picture. No doubt there is personal responsibility in these cases, but much of the "successes" claimed by supporters of this administration were done using smoke and mirrors - like these situations. Americans are indebted like never before, and people have been funding the economy with money that really is not theirs to begin with. High rate credit cards, second mortgages, homes bought through these types of lending programs, etc...

-----------------------------

Report Reveals 2.2 Million Borrowers Face Foreclosure on Subprime Home Loans
Tuesday December 19, 1:30 pm ET

Billions of Home Ownership Wealth to be Lost by Minority Americans.

WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- A new Center for Responsible Lending (CRL) study reveals that 2.2 million American households will lose their homes and as much as $164 billion due to foreclosures in the subprime mortgage market. Titled, "Losing Ground: Foreclosures in the Subprime Market and Their Cost to Homeowners," the CRL study is the first comprehensive, nationwide review of millions of subprime mortgages originated from 1998 through the third quarter of 2006.

CRL's research suggests that risky lending practices have triggered the worst foreclosure crisis in the modern mortgage market, projecting that one out of five (19.4%) subprime loans issued during 2005-2006 will fail.

"In the subprime sector, the most vulnerable borrowers are sold the most dangerous loans," said Mike Calhoun, CRL president. "At $164 billion, the losses from foreclosures could pay for the college educations of four million kids. For families who lose their houses because their loans fail, savings and economic security will be way out of reach."

The report discusses a number of factors that drive subprime foreclosures -- in the majority of cases, borrowers receive high-risk loan features, packed into an adjustable rate mortgage with a low start rate, that is approved without considering whether the homeowner can afford to pay the loan after the rate rises.

Adjustable rate mortgages known as 2/28s (or "exploding ARMs") operate with an initial "teaser" rate for two years, followed by a steep payment increase. And, regardless of a borrower's credit history, the almost one- quarter of American families who get subprime loans find them crammed with other high-risk terms such as prepayment penalties, limited income documentation, and no escrow for property taxes and hazard insurance.

In recent years, high appreciation in many areas has masked problems in the subprime market. CRL projects that the cooling housing market, will cause failure rates to rise sharply in many major markets. California, Arizona, Nevada, and greater Washington, D.C. will be especially hard hit. See a detailed metropolitan statistical area (MSA) chart at http://www.responsiblelending.org/pdfs/MSA-foreclosure-rates.pdf.

"Foreclosures can be a disaster not only for the family but for the community as well," said Pat Vredevoogd Combs, president of National Association of Realtors. "When one home forecloses, the surrounding houses lose value, too. By threatening neighborhood stability, foreclosures hurt everyone."

Trouble in the overall subprime market spells trouble for African American and Latino families across the country. Although white families receive more subprime loans overall, African Americans and Latinos receive a higher proportion of high-cost loans than any other group, a fact consistently verified annually by data lenders submit under the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act (HMDA). "Losing Ground" estimates that 8 to 10 percent of all African American and Latino families who received a home loan in 2005 will be affected by subprime foreclosures.

"Homeownership rates for minorities are up but so, too, is the cost of that homeownership," said Wade Henderson, executive director of Leadership Conference on Civil Rights. "We need rules to curb predatory lenders, but we also need prime lenders to step up for this expanding market of borrowers."

Policymakers and regulators can and must act to stem the tide of home failures in the subprime market. To accomplish this CRL recommends that:

* Lenders ensure that every borrower is able to repay his or her loan
without resorting to selling their property or refinancing under
pressure.

* All parties involved operate in good faith and fair dealing to ensure a
successful outcome.

* Lenders, local governments, and community groups implement strong
programs to help troubled borrowers keep their homes.

Homeowners work hard to provide the economic security and benefits of ownership to their families. Changes must be made in the subprime market so that owning a home is fair, affordable and -- most important -- sustainable.
 

marine

poker brat
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
3,867
73
48
50
Fort Worth, TX
I've got a question on the home loan business and people taking out mortgages on their homes to buy them.
Now I saw this not to be a jack@ss or wisecracker, but I see and hear a LOT about all these folks with increasing mortgage payments and not being able to afford their house now because they had ARMs and interest only loans and what not.
Am I supposed to feel sorry for them or something? All I hear is sob stories about how they claim they are getting the shaft because they havent been paying a full mortgage payment for the last 4 years and now suddenly they have to.
a little while back... one of the people that was complaining about this was a g**DAM** f8king CPA!!!!
Are these people just that ignorant and dumb not to read their mortgage papers and talk to their lender?
or
Are the mortgage papers that unclear and undocumented about what kind of loan it is?

The reason I ask is that I recently closed on a new house and it was pretty blatantly clear what kind of loan I had and asked for and what the payments are going to be.
 

Chadman

Realist
Forum Member
Apr 2, 2000
7,501
42
48
SW Missouri
Fair point, Marine, and I wanted to mention this before it flamed out into a personal responsibility issue, which was not my intent in posting this. I have been saying for a few years now, especially the last 2-3, that this economic upturn - especially in housing - was more of a paper recovery than a real one, and that the other shoe would eventually drop. My point here was to shed light on those that took credit for the high rates of new home ownership and the boom in real estate and housing, when it wasn't really based on sound economics and anything sustainable done by this administration.

Every single person is ultimately responsible for what they sign their name to. No doubt about it. But this is another angle on the "hand up" theory...the conservatives take credit for these people purchasing houses to try to make a better life, when they clearly could not afford them. People taking out second mortgages (credit) to buy more things or to simply make payments on escalating mortgage payments.

And to extrapolate this further upwards...look at what these people are now facing, the same thing our country will be facing in the coming years...gross deficits that will stifle any chance of moving forward financially. This administration has no trouble borrowing and not worrying about paying those loans back...what care do they have? They can get what they want now, like these people, be happy, but Bush and Co. won't even have to pay the piper, unlike these folks.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,522
217
63
Bowling Green Ky
The reason for homeownership has been interest rates at 30 and 40 year lows. I posted something to effect in general forum few months back if folks don't lock them in now they will regret it--and was told by someone -forgot who- that only a fool would pay off his house and one should leverge the equity in it--he might be correct--being a conservative (neocon Stevie) I don't like debt.

Will agree many people bought and will lose homes due to "creative" fianancing where they could not qualify otherwise if just needing 5% down. Bad enough for folks to live beyond their means but worse for others to try and capitalize on it.

Chad I usually use the market/interest rates/homeownership ect as rebuttable to the doom and gloom and Pelosi's (worst economy since great depression) naysayers--
--actually as I stated before I think a pres/admin has little to do with economy and best thing they can do is get out of way and let free enterprise take its course.
 

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
72
Boston
I agree with Dogs that people bought because of low interest rates. But mortgage brokers are worse than used car dealers. Many people got into loans they had no right going into but they had "experts" telling them everything was ok.
 

AR182

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 9, 2000
18,654
87
0
Scottsdale,AZ
I agree with Dogs that people bought because of low interest rates. But mortgage brokers are worse than used car dealers. Many people got into loans they had no right going into but they had "experts" telling them everything was ok.

when i first started dabbling in the rental market i once took out a mortgage for a rental property from a mortgage person who was a friend of a friend. so when i went to closing i just signed the papers without reading anything because i had someplace to go & i trusted the mortgage person...i figured he would have to be really stupid to do something that i wouldn't like because it would hurt his future business with me.

about a year or so later later i wanted to refinance with wash. mutual because they were able to give me a lower interest rate. when the new mortgage person wanted to get the buyout of my existing loan he found out there were going to be pre-payment penalties if i paid off the loan before 3 years.

i got so livid that i called up the first mortgage guy & stated yelling at him that he should have told me about the prepayment penalty before i signed the papers.he gave me a stupid response that incensed me even more... i told him i'm coming over to his office so he can tell me to my face what he just told me on the phone.

of course i had no intention of confronting him because getting in a fight wouldn't resolve fixing the prepayment penalty....i just wanted to get him nervous...which from i heard from my friend i did because for the next week he worked from his house(lol).

but the lesson that i learned from this is not to trust anybody who works on a commission (eventhough i did for years)...& to know exactly what's in a contract.....& getting stuck with a loan with the prepayment penalty was really my mistake.....so this lesson that i learned cost me a few thousands....but in hindsite it was worth it.
 

blgstocks

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 4, 2005
3,181
12
0
So. Cal
Good article Chadman, and I definitely agree with AR on this issue as well(as usual)

As a real estate agent out in the booming california market you have unrealisticly high prices coupled with a huge uneducated portion of the population.

Of course this is a niche, and definitely doesnt apply to all agents, loan officers, markets, people, but take it fwiw.

A mexican man who became a US citizen after working and raising his family in Long Beach, Ca for many years came to an open house I sat at. He really liked the house and wanted to do anything he could to get him into A house. Because that is the american dream and a goal for almost everyone here or coming here, is to own property. So I call up the lender I work with and give the guys credit scores. The lender tells me that they will just go stated income( and state whatever is necessary to get him into the house) and get him into an option arm, which is going to give you the lowest monthly payment but after a couple years you better refi out of it and pray rates are as low and you have had appreciation.

Anyway, the guy was sitting there ready to write up the offer on the house going over loan documents and I had to explain to him what the payment a month was on a 580k (typical 4bd 2 bth) house was with this mortgage. It was a little under 4800 a month. Problem was the guy only made a little less than 65,000 a year:scared Leaving him roughly 5k for a whole year outside of his house payment. And if the poor guy would have said he was fine with it then he would have been in that house:scared . This is not just one shady lender either, this is pretty commonplace out here in SoCal.

It is the lenders that are allowing these people to get into loans that the lenders KNOW the people can't afford. It is especially bad with people who are not very financially literate, generally the poor.

But you can't blame the lenders entirely because the prices are so high and the guy wants to get into a house he is going to try to get him into a house, because there isnt one on the market that he can afford.
 

The Sponge

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 24, 2006
17,263
97
0
Let me see if i can put a damper on this love fest. First, i can't believe there are people out there that don't go over their loans with a fine tooth comb. Like Marine says its nobody's fault but their own. Then again this is what i always say on how the typical american is very kind hearted and is an easy prey of a con artist. Its why we vote like we do. Secondly this myth about home ownership being higher than ever is just that a myth. It is true but it is true each and every year under each and every president.
Well, i tried but i guess i can't find much. I guess its the holiday's.
 

dawgball

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 12, 2000
10,652
39
48
51
The housing boom is very similar to the false highs of the stock market in the late 90s.

Many lost their life savings with the bubble burst of the market while others made tons. The same will happen here. Anyone with cash over the next 2 years will be able to drive great deals on property. I think buying from and leasing with an option to buy back to current residents will be a great way to profit at the same time as keeping people in their homes for the medium term. Hopefully, that will allow their finances to catch up to their housing.

Of course, the person providing this service will be compensated and some people will have a problem with that. I can already hear the charges of taking advantage of less fortunate.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top