The Reelection of Bush,No Problem!!

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AGAIN....and please pay attention: there were 8 million families that DO pay income taxes that had the income tax credit taken away with this last legislation. THEY DO PAY INCOME TAXES!! What is sooo damn hard to understand here? These are people that DO have jobs that DO pay income taxes.




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How much in taxes did you pay last year? Or did you get a check back from old uncle sam?
 

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There isn't any spin,just more senseless crap from the left...

There isn't any spin,just more senseless crap from the left...

Well said Turf, correct, it's about politicians that want to divide the masses into the haves and have nots...If you leave it to the Democrats,the lower wage earner will always stay as a lower wage earner..One excellent example is your unions,which of course is one of the main staples of the Democratic party for stirring up much and creating a culture and an endless trove of money that would be better spent into the hands of the workers than the phony fronts that exist within unions..It's all about control..The Democrats want to control you and your money and have placed a culture within their constituency that you will be better served if we mind your life and money....Unions have had a place in America and for good reason,but what has transpired has become a source for the left to put bearers up that will never allow you to achieve success that otherwise seen from foreigners who come here for the American dream...Take a look at Great Britain,in the 70's, the Unions bankrupted that country by demanding more and more..How you can justify a lugnut operator in a car factory at $30-$40 an hour is beyond me and when you look at this individual's life, he is broke, his wife works and the just can't seem to make ends meet..Well guess what!The Unions with all their promises have niched out a real nice deduction from your monthly that turns out you actually only make about half that and all this time the Democrats are feeding at the trough and this is their only real agenda to keep you from thinking for yourselves...Yes Unions need to play a part,but presently it isn't for your benefit,but rather their own self interest,like many liberals say about corporate or the wealthy,it's all the same,just that the left phonies behind the class warefare issue..

What is wrong with this picture?Peoples from humble nations come to America and eventually prove that the American dream does work and yet,many Americans still woundering what the American dream is all about.. Let's take for example the minorities (blacks)..These folks are the main flock of the most repressive exponding leader they have,Jessie Jackson..If you listen to is rhetoric,it is all about how is flock is worthless and the need for give me what you have and hate..He rarely says anything possitive about how they should become more successful and contribute,blah,blah, blah,you get the message.Yes at one time not long ago there was a lot of prejudicial sentiment in this country and still lingers today,but to have preparations for what happen 150 years ago is just utter B.S...Jessie Jackson and the Al Sharptons have done more harm to their flock than any other...These guys have done nothing but beat down there people in thinking they are second class citizens..Jessie Jackson with his Rainbow Coalition is just a front to blackmail corporate American and he and his like,again getting rich on dumbfounded rhetoric that he spews to his flock....If you look at the monies he gets for blackmailing corporate American,most of it goes to him and his cronies and very little to aid in the so called plite of his flock..He is the worst leader they have and absolutely hasn't done anything for them but set them back another 50 years. Go to the black neighbors and see who owns the stores and businesses,they are all Koreans and from other ethnic balances,but not blacks and that is Jessie's fault...

You know who flourishes and as long as you people believe that they can do the thinking for you,you will always stay behind and wonder what in the hell is wrong with this picture...


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You're obviously upset. You somehow think someone is somehow taking something from you. In this instance, the working poor are undermining your financial well being. Fair enough. Everyone has the right to think of themselves.

I also feel as if somebody is taking something away from me. I feel as if my social security benefits are being taken away by these tax cuts to the rich. Something I've worked for and paid all my adult life is very quickly evaporating. It's not like I have a crystal ball and know that I'll be able to completely fend for myself when I need these benefits. It does unsettle me and there's nothing I can do. They're being pissed away by this administration.

I know how this impending loss feels. Tax cuts to the wealthy are going to completely destroy any chance that I have to ever see the dollars that should have been set aside for me. Will the fox network or the Republican party re-emburse me when the time comes?
 
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Social Security benefits are not being taken from you...

Social Security benefits are not being taken from you...

You get axactly what you put in..This certainly is a misguided statement on your part.. <i>Tax cuts to the wealthy are going to completely destroy any chance that I have to ever see the dollars that should have been set aside me.</i>Man is that horse ####..The problem with SS is the frivolous spending that goes on in government and nothing as far as tax cuts to the weathly should impede what you have coming to you..Second of all,I have a crystal ball and SS will not go broke or will enable you not to get benefits...Just more of the left way thinking for you types that only believe what they say and scare the crap on what is just baseless and senseless B.S.
 

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I'm just saying, just because you get money taken out of your check every pay period doesn't mean you PAY TAXES!

When you fill out your tax forms and get most, if not all, the money back, means you got a free ride!

If you owned your own business, you would know down to the penny what you owed in taxes, cause you would have to write the check!

As far as Social Security goes, if you're not planning for your own retirement then you're in trouble. Besides without reform, who says you'll be around to collect on it? Just ask any minority if they care about Social Security. Democrats just swear they are looking after the black man don't they? There is no single identifiable demographic group out there, which suffers more under our insipid Social Security system than the black male. It can be explained in just one sentence --- one sentence says it all. The life expectancy of black males in this country is lower than the eligibility age for Social Security benefits. Need I say more? The average black male in this country will die before he has a chance to recover one penny of that money which is seized from each and every paycheck. Every penny will be lost. Gone. Statistics show that the average black male will see no less than $10,000 of his lifetime. Black men are being ripped off ? and Social Security is the grand Democratic program, isn?t it? The Republicans want reform. The Republicans want private accounts that can?t be taken away. The Democrats do not. It?s the Democrats who are stealing from those you claim to champion.
 

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Great Idea: GET RID OF SOCIAL SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If there ever has been a more inefficient retirement plan, I have yet to hear of one.....

If you were to invest $$ and get LESS out of your investment....would that be a good investment for you????

Nevermind the WHOLE NATION doing the same thing!!!!

What a joke!!!!

Great idea LIBERALS!!!!!
 

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Planning for your retirement is one thing. Planning to be able to handle the outrageous cost of your medical bills in your retirement years is something entirely different. All the medical plans that you can get now for a price will be unavailable when you turn 65. They usually discontinue your policy or run you off by raising your premiums to ungodly rates.

You can save your entire life and plan till you're tired of planning, but almost any serious illness will almost completely deplete your savings in today's society. Just think what it will be like in twenty years when i need it.

There's no reason to imply that I'm some commie pinko liberal that wants to give the country away. I'm a guy that works and pays income taxes just like you do. I just recognize that the right wing is spending and giving money back in taxes to the wealthy that it does not have in order to be re-elected. Enough said.
 

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The problem with liberals and private accts

The problem with liberals and private accts

They can't feed at the trough..Liberals need SS trust fund to expand their social spending programs.If the private accounts,which is only .03% at the taxpayer's discreation were only enacted,this would go a long way to augment for ones retirement..Presently SS returns only about .02-.03% a year...Now I understand that an individual in his/her 60s may not want to exercise the option into private accounts,but a 18 year old starting out, would gain enormously with great results..The hog wash coming from Democrats about private accounts is just that,hog wash!!They used the recent down markets as a reason for not having such a program,but they know darn well that the markets on a long-term basis,does pay off...
 

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auspice, So giving anybody a tax break=giving money to the rich?

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Are we at the same time stealing from the poor?

I have a hard time understanding this thought process.

When you let people keep more of the money they earn=stealing from the poor. Man that takes some guts to say that.

I'm alright Jack, keep your hands off my stack. Money, Pink Floyd
 

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I would much rather the government give a piddly small sum to the poor than a mamoth friggin' amount to the rich. It's a concept routed in something called mathmatics.
 
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Why is it that Republicans like to point out some obscure union worker somewhere getting $40 an hour for a menial job but they will defend to the death the CEO who is getting millions and taking credit for all the good work he does during a boom but will shake his hands and say there is nothing he can do during a down turn and of course when the Federal Investagtion starts claim no knowledge of anything? It's a shame these guys gotta pay taxes! And of course they never get any stock tips or other advantages the rest of us working stiffs don't get.
 

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THE POOR, POOR PITIFUL POOR

THE POOR, POOR PITIFUL POOR

Here is a story about Ms. Whiner. She has two kids, not married, and makes about $14,000. She pays absolutely no income tax whatsoever and gets about $4,000 from the government --- that sickening Earned Income Tax Credit nonsense. What?s more, she sees absolutely nothing wrong with her scenario ? after all, her parents pay taxes.

My guess is that for most of her life Ms. Whiner has been surrounded by a bunch of supportive friends telling her that none of this is her fault. You have two kids you can?t support? Well, that?s not your fault ? blame their father(s). You don?t make enough money? That greedy boss of yours is trying to just keep it all for himself.

So ? finally someone spells it out. This lady made choices, and those choices led to her being a single mother of two without marketable job skills ?. And now she feels entitled to someone else?s money.
I took a few minutes to scrip a little meeting from Ms. Whiner and her congressman. See what you think.

(As the curtain rises we find Congressman Dewey Cheatem sitting behind his desk in his home district office. Ima Whiner, one of his constituents, has wormed her way into an appointment with Congressman Cheatem to voice some concerns.)

Yes, Ms. Whiner, what can I do for you?

I need some help. I just can?t make ends meet any more.

What kind of help?

Money. I need some money. I just don?t make enough money to support my family.

Your family? Tell me about them.

I have two kids. Seven and ten.

What does your husband do?

I?m not married.

Divorced?

No. I?m just not married.

Does the kid?s father help to support them?

No, neither one of them does.

Neither one of them?

Yeah. They have different fathers.

What do you do for a living?

Nails.

You do nails?

Yeah, you know, nails. I do nails at Nail Fantasy at the mall.

How much money do you make doing nails.

Not enough. I make about $14,000 a year.

How much education do you have?

I like finished high school, you know, but college just wasn?t for me. I wanted a new car, you know, and I needed to go to work to get the money for payments.

Your oldest child is ten. How old are you?

I?m 26.

OK .. what do you want from me? Why did you come see me today?

I need more money. I know there must be some sort of like government checks I can get. I keep hearing about people getting checks for all sorts of things. I want a check.

With your income, you don?t pay income taxes, do you?

No, but I have payroll taxes ? and I should get some of that money back. Other people are getting checks. I want a check.

Wait a minute --- I have something here that might help you.
(Congressman Cheatem reaches into his desk drawer and pulls out a .38 caliber revolver ? he pushes it across the desk to Ima.)
Do you know what this is?

It?s a gun.

Can you use one?

Yeah, my first baby?s daddy showed me how.

OK then. I want you to take this gun, go find someone who has been more responsible with their life than you have, and I want you to use this gun to rob them. That way you should be able to get the money you say you need.

Rob them? I can?t just walk up to someone and rob them! Are you crazy?

Why can?t you?

Because that?s, you know, illegal. It?s, like, illegal! I could get caught and they could put me in jail!

But you?re here asking me for a check! What if there was some sort of a government check you could get, where do you think that money would come from?

I don?t know. The government?

Sure, the government. But where does the government get its money?

The taxpayers, I guess.

Yeah, the taxpayers. So you want me to arrange for some money to be taken from these taxpayers and given to you, right?

Well, other people are getting checks. Why can?t I get one?

Why don?t you just take this gun and go get some!

I can?t!

You mean you won?t. You won?t pick up this gun and go take someone else?s money, but you feel perfectly comfortable coming into my office and asking me to, right?

What do you mean?

Well just how in the hell do you think we get the money you want us to give to you? Do you think these people just come wandering in here with buckets of their money just begging us to find some irresponsible losers to give it to? Come on, girl? We take it, just like I suggested you take it. We take it at the point of a gun! We point that gun at those poor saps and we say ?hand it over, or we?ll take every damn thing that you own.?

Well, everybody has to pay taxes!

You don?t!

I know, but that?s because, like , I don?t make enough money!

And whose fault is that?

It?s not my fault. I can?t help it if I just haven?t been as lucky as those other people.

Yeah, you can?t help it. You decided that you needed a new car and you couldn?t afford one if you were going to college, then you decided to get pregnant as a teenager by two different deadbeats who got between your legs and then out of your life ? and it?s all someone else?s fault.

Hey! I don?t have to take that from you!

OK ? calm down. (The Congressman puts the gun back in his desk drawer) You don?t need to use this gun. You don?t need to because we can.

Who?s ?we??

We .. the government. We can do what you can?t. Like I said, we can use this gun to take property from someone else ? and I?ll see to it that some of that money gets to you. You?ll get your check.

Oh, thank you!

But there?s a catch here. You have to do something for me.

Sure! Anything!

No, no. Button your blouse up. That?s not what I had in mind. I have plenty of interns around here that would cause me a lot less grief than you would. What you have to do is get out there and register to vote ? register to vote, and then remember just who it is that put that check in your pocket the next time an election rolls around.

No problem! I?ll do it, I promise!
 
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Nice story, maybe someday I will post the Neil Bush Story or even the story about Brother George dumping his stock before the first Gulf War. At what dollar value does theft no longer become a crime but something to be admired by republicans?
 

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There's a book you should read. It's called 'The Iron Triangle' by Dan Briody. It details some of the workings of the Carlyle group. You suspect much that you can't quite put together. This book will put it together for you. Best wishes.
 

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When it comes to criticism it is never balanced

When it comes to criticism it is never balanced

We have seen and heard this over and over again...Democrats criticise only on the talking points that are handed down by their leaders and never and I mean never stray from these points on their leaders or party..You people are unable to express your true or honest views on the negatives right or wrong,you always come off thinking you are right.It's always based on bashing the right..At least when there is dissension among the right, Republicans and conservative commentors who disagree with Bush or the Republican party have so expressed such dissatisfaction,one thing you people will never do to your own party..I do respect loyalty,if it's honest...It just seems that whatever the liberals say,you appear that your followers will swallow this without the real truth.

Take this aspect of the FTC allowing more buyups of radio and TV stations by more individuals..Yes I suppose it can be said that radio is dominated by conservatives,but you have to admit,before cable, the networks like ABC,NBC,CBS were very much liberal sources for news and conservatives really ever mention this skewed offset,now with cable and Fox being number one and yes,fox being more conservative still allows an equal balance in confronting the today's issues.CBS and ABC are very biased and have to some extent distorted the Iraqi war even though we had the embedded from all stations on the ground..Many major newsprint venues are extremely liberal and often distort and right out mislead,as we have recently encountered from the New York Times..The L.A Times doesn't even measure up to an honest newspaper,since almost everything related to conservative articles are just plain lies and mistruths..

Yes, you liberals should be concerned,because for years all we ever heard is how you all are for the little guy and have always come off with this phony rhetoric to gain support against the so called fat cat....When you look at the Democratic congressional makeup,not one is in meager are dire traits.You people have fat cats as well,but it's a good battle for you since when a person is in a less than acttractive earning power,he/she will absorb whatever you hand them....

Democrats have done nothing for Healthcare and Education for years,but now things are getting done,because the Republicans control the ball..Bush has done and with more accomplishments in his short period of time than any recent president...

Yeah I know,you don't want to hear that..Don't even come back on the economic issue,because you liberals will never admit to the truth..
 

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I don't know what great strides Boy George has made in health care since my elderly parents now pay more but if it has been at a standstill it's because of a Republican Congress.
 

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It will come,it's in the works..

It will come,it's in the works..

Healthcare will be his next accomplishment,but gee,we need some ammunition for 04,so we don't want to rush to quick and then they have nothing to work on just before the election lol.:)
 

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Or some type of fillerbuster the Dems are using.

When we have the perfect world I'm sure it will all be because the Dems made it possable.:rolleyes:
 
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