The War That?s Not a War

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The War That?s Not a War[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by Ron Paul[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Statement in the House on funding the war in Afghanistan, July 2, 2010[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In January 1991, we went to war in the Middle East against Saddam Hussein, Iraq?s dictator who was our ally during the Iran-Iraq war. A border dispute between Kuwait and Iraq broke out after our State Department gave a green light to Hussein?s invasion. [/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]After Iraq?s successful invasion of Kuwait, we reacted with gusto and have been militarily involved in the entire region 6,000 miles from our shores ever since. This has included Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]After 20 years of killing and a couple trillion dollars wasted, not only does the fighting continue with no end in sight, but our leaders threaten to spread our bombs of benevolence on Iran. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]For most Americans, we are at war, at war against a tactic called terrorism, not a country. This allows our military to go any place in the world without limits as to time or place. But how can we be at war? Congress has not declared war, as required by the Constitution, that is true. But our Presidents have, and Congress and the people have not objected. Congress obediently provides all the money requested for the war. [/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]People are dying. Bombs are dropped. Our soldiers are shot at and killed. Our soldiers wear a uniform; our enemies do not. They are not part of any government. They have no planes, no tanks, no ships, no missiles, and no modern technology. What kind of a war is this anyway, if it really is one? If it was a real war, we would have won it by now. Our stated goal since 9/11 has been to destroy al Qaeda. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Was al Qaeda in Iraq? Not under Saddam Hussein. Our leaders lied us into invading Iraq and deceived us into occupying Afghanistan. There is still really no al Qaeda in Iraq and only 100 or so in Afghanistan, and yet there is no end in sight to the war. Could there have been other reasons for this war that is not a war? A military victory in Afghanistan is illusive. Does anyone really know who we are fighting and why? [/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Why has the war not ended? Nine years, and it continues to spread. Some claim it is to keep America safe, that our soldiers are fighting and dying for our freedom, defending our Constitution. Are we being lied to in order to keep us in this spreading war, just as we were lied to in the 1960s to keep us in Vietnam? [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]We own the Iraq Government, as we do Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, we are fighting the Taliban, those dangerous people with guns defending their homeland. Once they were called the Mujahideen, our old allies, along with bin Laden, in the fight to oust the Soviets from Afghanistan in the 1980s. In that effort, our CIA funded radical jihad against that nasty foreign occupier, the Russians. What gratitude. Those same people now resent our benevolent occupation, with a little violence thrown in. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The resistance to our presence grows as our perseverance wanes. Our people are waking up, but our officials refuse to recognize the longer we stay, the greater is the support for those dedicated to the principle that Afghanistan is for Afghans who resent all foreign occupation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The harder we fight a war that is not a war, the weaker we get and the stronger becomes our enemy. When an enemy without weapons can respect an army of great strength, the most powerful of all history, one should ask, who has the moral high ground? [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Military failure in Afghanistan is to be our destiny. Changing generals without changing our policies or our policymakers perpetuates our agony and delays the inevitable. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This is not a war that our generals have been trained for. Nation building, police work, social engineering is never a job for foreign occupiers and never an appropriate job for soldiers trained to win wars. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]A military victory is no longer even a stated goal of our military leaders or our politicians, as they know that type of victory is impossible. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The sad story is, this war is against ourselves, our values, our Constitution, our financial well-being and common sense. And at the rate we?re going, it?s going to end badly. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What we need are honest leaders with character and a new foreign policy.[/FONT]



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Some of it is true in your eyes because you support his thinking.I disagree with his assessment of the situation. .We need to wage war globally to stop the spread of terrorism .Just like Petraeus says they must not have a save haven to conduct insurgency not only locally but globally.

Mark my words Petraeus will turn the tide in Afghanistan.And when he does I will remind everybody.
 

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Some of it is true in your eyes because you support his thinking.I disagree with his assessment of the situation. .We need to wage war globally to stop the spread of terrorism .Just like Petraeus says they must not have a save haven to conduct insurgency not only locally but globally.

Mark my words Petraeus will turn the tide in Afghanistan.And when he does I will remind everybody.

Let adults talk, go back outside and play
 

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You fucking pussy. Why don't you tell that to the soldiers that are sitting targets in Iraq and Afghanistan because of your BS wars.


At least I support them and wish them well.You don't need to tell me there in harms way.

At least I pray that things will change and get better.
Stop wishing they will come home there not.

So at least give them the respect they deserve.
While I'm hoping for things to ease as far as causalities,somehow I think your hoping for more IEDS to go of to strengthen your stance on the conflict. Pathetic.
 

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At least I support them and wish them well.You don't need to tell me there in harms way.

At least I pray that things will change and get better.
Stop wishing they will come home there not.

So at least give them the respect they deserve.
While I'm hoping for things to ease as far as causalities,somehow I think your hoping for more IEDS to go of to strengthen your stance on the conflict. Pathetic.

No one gives a fuck who you are praying to. That is not making them safe and you know it. You are risking their lives for nothing. Then you sit and bitch about how out it is outside. :s8:
 

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No one gives a fuck who you are praying to. That is not making them safe and you know it. You are risking their lives for nothing. Then you sit and bitch about how out it is outside. :s8:

Go fuck yourself asswipe.You already have them dead in your own warped mind.At least I care.
 

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Go fuck yourself asswipe.You already have themAt least I care.

No you don't. You are having them killed for no reason at all. While you sit in the US in your own trailer scamming the rest of us with your unemployment scam.
 

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No you don't. You are having them killed for no reason at all. While you sit in the US in your own trailer scamming the rest of us with your unemployment scam.

Fuck You terrorist.Don't tell me how I live.I was in the military for 6 years.I was fortunate enough to not see combat.I am no war monger.

Your a piece of shit and I think 95% of this site would vouch for that asshole terrorist.
 

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Fuck You terrorist.Don't tell me how I live.I was in the military for 6 years.I was fortunate enough to not see combat.I am no war monger.

Your a piece of shit and I think 95% of this site would vouch for that asshole terrorist.

But you see, you are a war monger. You want constant war. That is your chant. If its not Indians its some other non-white people that you want to wipe out. You have still not given a reason for calling me a terrorist.

Don't you see that I am the one that really cares about the soldiers. That is what is so ironic. You are the one putting them in graves for no reason at all.
 

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But you see, you are a war monger. You want constant war. That is your chant. If its not Indians its some other non-white people that you want to wipe out. You have still not given a reason for calling me a terrorist.

Don't you see that I am the one that really cares about the soldiers. That is what is so ironic. You are the one putting them in graves for no reason at all.

Bullshit.You know nothing of my stance as far as the troops are concerned .Have you ever sent anything overseas to them?I highly doubt it.

I care.I want them home as soon as possible.
But I also realize they signed up for a job.

There at work and I support them.In your terrorist mind I am a war monger because people like Chomsky and Paul have feeded you lies about people like me.
 

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There at work and I support them.In your terrorist mind I am a war monger because people like Chomsky and Paul have feeded you lies about people like me.

Rusty,
I'm sure you mean well but you have a little brain. You really need to leave these discussions to other people. You just look like a fool. Its a very simple concept. When you fuck with other people they are going to fuck with you. We have been fucking with people since 1953. They are pissed. We are now fighting wars we can't afford. So we are going bankrupt and pissing people off. Yet you want to continue to kill Americans by sending them off to the slaughterhouse. I don't know how you sleep at night. I guess it must be that little brain.
Sincerely,
TU
 
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