The War That?s Not a War

[rusty]

Actually I did a few months ago.

Good.Me too.By the way the comment about being hot was a joke about Illuminati post.

Anyway Im done for now.I honestly hate when it gets like this but in this forum it should be expected.No hard feelings.Carry On.

I understand your frustration with the conflict.

 

[rusty]

So you get to pick and choose when to practice your religion. I get it.

No,its just I am human and being Christ-like is so hard.
I will make a deal Tramp.If the changing of Generals does not in turn make things safer and work as far as territory and counter-Insurgency strength I will in turn admit to you its time to reconsider our plan meaning its time to leave.

Believe me I am frustrated the way things have been going.I understand support has waned.So by this winter in my mind will be a deciding factor as to what our our intentions in Afghanistan going forward.

 

[Trench]

After 20 years of killing and a couple trillion dollars wasted, not only does the fighting continue with no end in sight, but our leaders threaten to spread our bombs of benevolence on Iran.

For most Americans, we are at war, at war against a tactic called terrorism, not a country. This allows our military to go any place in the world without limits as to time or place. But how can we be at war? Congress has not declared war, as required by the Constitution, that is true. But our Presidents have, and Congress and the people have not objected. Congress obediently provides all the money requested for the war.

The Bush Administration's "War on Terror" was always bullshit. Sovereign nations do not declare war on other sovereign nations to rid the world of an "emotion".

And now it's Obama's "War on Terror". In voting for Obama, I gave him credit for being able to see the folly of the Bush/Cheney "War on Terror" strategy. I had hope that when Obama took office, he would do the right thing. I hoped he would declare our continued vigilance in preventing terrorism on U.S. soil not by supporting American hegemony in the Middle East, but by securing our borders, our airports and our seaports. Apparently I misjudged him.

Trench

 

[shawn555]

No,its just I am human and being Christ-like is so hard.
I will make a deal Tramp.If the changing of Generals does not in turn make things safer and work as far as territory and counter-Insurgency strength I will in turn admit to you its time to reconsider our plan meaning its time to leave.

Believe me I am frustrated the way things have been going.I understand support has waned.So by this winter in my mind will be a deciding factor as to what our our intentions in Afghanistan going forward.

Would Christ have abused unemployment like you did?

 

[kosar]

Some of it is true in your eyes because you support his thinking.I disagree with his assessment of the situation. .We need to wage war globally to stop the spread of terrorism .Just like Petraeus says they must not have a save haven to conduct insurgency not only locally but globally.

Mark my words Petraeus will turn the tide in Afghanistan.And when he does I will remind everybody.

The Soviet Union, with all their tanks, attack helicopters and machine guns had 8 years to try to take over Afghanistan and their ragtag 'fighters' equipped with rpg's, rocks and IED's , and couldn't.

We have been there 9 years and counting trying to nation-build and to make Afghanistan a peaceful democracy. Instead, that country is in worse shape than when we arrived. It is simply not possible to 'win' in Afghanistan. Not in any sort of traditional sense of 'winning.' Their government always has been, and continues to be, beyond corrupt. Karzai, their nominal president, has recently threatened to go to the Talibans side if we don't stop meddling. I mean, do we really have a shot there?

2 of the worlds great powers have had 17 collective years to try to control that tiny country. It's simply not possible. 80% of their GDP is opium, much of which finds its way here. We don't dare touch their poppy fields, lest we foster unrest. Opium production is at a record high.

We can't wrap our minds around a 'civilization' such as this and we still, after 9 years, treat this as some sort of conventional 'war.'

As far as 'we must wage war globally to fight terrorism?' I guess I just don't know what to say about a terribly naive and ignorant comment like that.

 

[StevieD]

The Bush Administration's "War on Terror" was always bullshit. Sovereign nations do not declare war on other sovereign nations to rid the world of an "emotion".

And now it's Obama's "War on Terror". In voting for Obama, I gave him credit for being able to see the folly of the Bush/Cheney "War on Terror" strategy. I had hope that when Obama took office, he would do the right thing. I hoped he would declare our continued vigilance in preventing terrorism on U.S. soil not by supporting American hegemony in the Middle East, but by securing our borders, our airports and our seaports. Apparently I misjudged him.

Trench

I agree. My biggest fear about Obama was that he was an unknown. I voted for change. So far, to me, I don't see much difference between him and the Bush policies that are bringing our country down. Time way past to end those wars and get busy securing our borders.