there are still a few heros left in the western world...aussie p.m. john howard
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As opposed to your leader, who's as sharp as....:shrug: ....um....:shrug: :shrug: ....
...anyway...The moral of my last story went something like this...
...I think the major 'influence' of conservatism in this country is age, maybe more-so here than other places...
...we know the pop. is getting older and older, the vast majority of voters are 40+...and the 'boomers' after the war are now approaching 60.
These are the generation that grew up distrusting/disliking Asians for 1) er, just being Asians!, and 2) for 'taking over our country'!
Obviously, replace Muslims/Middle Eastern folk over the last 10 years or so.
and, obviously this mistrust/dislike filters down through the generations...you hear your dad swearing about 'nips' and 'wogs' you tend to believe the same things...
(...bit like Buffalo Bill and his Wild West show that 'convinced' a generation (or 2, or 3) that the Indians were all savage head hunters, who scalped white women for fun and raided every wagon train/settlement/home they could find...no doubt great theatre, but anyway...)
Maybe it's magnified by coming from a small place, but you always, always hear of people going to Melbourne/Sydney and playing "spot the Australian"..still, even now!!...
...It still doesn't occur to them that the Asian/Afghani/Fijian/whatever looking person was probably born here and even likely to be 2nd or 3rd generation Australian.
WE STILL HAVE A HUGE MISTRUST OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT TO US.
Is it the cause or effect?...Not sure, but it's a bit of a deadly cycle atm.
Obviously the majority are aging, conservatives...vote in aged conservatives...who in turn pander back to their base...to their patrotism...even trying to out-pander each other with rediculous gimmicks that have already been mentioned.
What will be interesting is the next 10-20 years...will the younger, "freer thinking", more modern generation break through into more and more positions of power...or will we all just become less tolerent and more paranoid as we grow older like everyone else?
Anyway...slightly OT I guess...but that's the way I see Australian society atm.
PS. Isn't a hounds-tooth a really old-fashioned type of jacket?
Thanks for the chuckles Mr C.
More brilliant repartee. In one single sentence you relay the general mood of our nation, albeit from your far flung outpost. We are lucky to have you as our online ambassador.
Bless your Taswegian heart.
WTF are you on about??
Please then, Mr. At the heart of it all, give my small town pea-brain a good ear-full of what is REALLY going on in the country?
I'm eager to hear how Mr. Howard is handling things in your almighty opinion...
...how exactly is the "mood of our country"?
(PS. I'm the funny one, and yet you've twice ducked into the Tassie joke bag...nice!)
Please then, Mr. At the heart of it all, give my small town pea-brain a good ear-full of what is REALLY going on in the country?
I'm eager to hear how Mr. Howard is handling things in your almighty opinion...
...how exactly is the "mood of our country"?
(PS. I'm the funny one, and yet you've twice ducked into the Tassie joke bag...nice!)
I don't know about any one else, but I'm hoping these two go at it for a LONG time here at jacks...
its hard to explain, but i hope u 2 just open ur own thread and have at it...:mj07:
its hard to explain, but i hope u 2 just open ur own thread and have at it...:mj07:
The last 4 elections can tell you more than I can about how he is handling things.
but if you are looking for "proof".......
...the last 4 election dogs, when trailing in the polls 4 months out from the election, and having a bald headed leader, against some fat loser supported by small minded quarter wits, are 0-4 ( and quite easy winners they were!) in the last 11 years.
Or perhaps I am a simple minded data miner?
this is awesome. 2 aussies, and they are a microcosm of 100 americans.
fight, fight, fight......
ps: is a 'tassie' a tazmanian? is the joke that they are hillbilly redneck types? ....and are these jokes as tired as our hillbilly ones?
fight, fight, fight......
ps: is a 'tassie' a tazmanian? is the joke that they are hillbilly redneck types? ....and are these jokes as tired as our hillbilly ones?
Na...it's alright...
...he's talking about the Crunulla riots last year...
...luckily things like that don't happen in my little sleepy hollow...
...but it's the same old story. 5% of a certain brand of people ruin it for the rest.
It's funny tho about assimilation (lack of it)...is anyone suggesting there haven't been black/white neighbourhoods in the US for, well, ever?...There's a China Town in 1000's of cities around the world...how about social and economic devides?
It's a basic principal of migration surely? You don't simply move to a random area.
Hey, I've got no doubt at all that a lot of people are sick to death of people trying to force their values on our society...but 1) as I said, you can't punish 100% for a small %'s injustices, and 2) back to the original topic, what exactly is our ultra-conservative man at the top doing about it??
Mr Howard said the left had a history of denigrating the nation
I could just as easily say the right has a history of blatant racism.
He said Australian universities were still breeding leftists
Go to nearly any Uni in the world and you'll find your Communist party groups with their hairy arm-pitted chicks...big deal...
...how about the absolute majority of people who attend Uni (in Australia, and I assume the world) leave with far more open minds, given they are (generally!!) more intellegent, and have access to far more (and wider) information than your average farmer/mechanic/labourer...
...(...speaking of labourers I especially like how Howard has made it tougher for unemployed people to get the dole, yet at the same time has made it infinately harder for unskilled people to get long-term employment by systematically dismantling workers right/unions and making them rely on casual work with no benefits etc...
...but anyway, OT rant over)
Anyhoo...we'll show those evil Muslims when we eventually flatten their 'cradle of life' and then allow even...more...of...them...to...our....er...hmmmm...
...he's talking about the Crunulla riots last year...
...luckily things like that don't happen in my little sleepy hollow...
...but it's the same old story. 5% of a certain brand of people ruin it for the rest.
It's funny tho about assimilation (lack of it)...is anyone suggesting there haven't been black/white neighbourhoods in the US for, well, ever?...There's a China Town in 1000's of cities around the world...how about social and economic devides?
It's a basic principal of migration surely? You don't simply move to a random area.
Hey, I've got no doubt at all that a lot of people are sick to death of people trying to force their values on our society...but 1) as I said, you can't punish 100% for a small %'s injustices, and 2) back to the original topic, what exactly is our ultra-conservative man at the top doing about it??
Mr Howard said the left had a history of denigrating the nation
I could just as easily say the right has a history of blatant racism.
He said Australian universities were still breeding leftists
Go to nearly any Uni in the world and you'll find your Communist party groups with their hairy arm-pitted chicks...big deal...
...how about the absolute majority of people who attend Uni (in Australia, and I assume the world) leave with far more open minds, given they are (generally!!) more intellegent, and have access to far more (and wider) information than your average farmer/mechanic/labourer...
...(...speaking of labourers I especially like how Howard has made it tougher for unemployed people to get the dole, yet at the same time has made it infinately harder for unskilled people to get long-term employment by systematically dismantling workers right/unions and making them rely on casual work with no benefits etc...
...but anyway, OT rant over)
Anyhoo...we'll show those evil Muslims when we eventually flatten their 'cradle of life' and then allow even...more...of...them...to...our....er...hmmmm...
Have you not just answered your own question to a certain extent??...as I mentioned about 40 posts ago now!!...
...The Labour Party has been a shambles...lead, indeed (in most part) by a fat loser!
...Of course, helped no end by certain 'events' leading up to polling day too...Children Overboard anyone??...rallying the troops/nationalism after Sept. 11.
So anyway, back to the "mood of the nation"...would the mood be settled somewhat by reducing immigration?...
...and yet here we are taking 140,000 of these no-hoping, anarchists each year!!...up 20,000 from 2004.***
Seems to me that there are some large, as yet unaccounted for, pieces of cake about
*** The fat loser (and don't get me wrong, he's a ****ing moron!!) has promised to ban foreign apprentices from entering the country on work visa's...that should lift the mood, surely?! :shrug:
ps: is a 'tassie' a tazmanian? is the joke that they are hillbilly redneck types? ....and are these jokes as tired as our hillbilly ones?
Yep, smurphy...(It's TaSmania tho mate
)...and yep, smurphy.
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No doubt will have to side with Phar as the analytical thinker--
My reasoning --have never known him to have losing year in documented picks and leads this year in 10 month catagory on matches in the most profitable forum here--so doubt one could question his objectivity.
My reasoning --have never known him to have losing year in documented picks and leads this year in 10 month catagory on matches in the most profitable forum here--so doubt one could question his objectivity.
I was about to reply but then saw DTB's post and thought.....I'll let my public decide!!!!
Anyway....I dont like talking politics....its bad for the soul (especially with a belly full of red wine on board). My apologies Mr C. Truth is.....I love Tasmania. Thought about moving there many times. A little house at Binalong Bay sounds nice.
Have a great weekend everybody.
Anyway....I dont like talking politics....its bad for the soul (especially with a belly full of red wine on board). My apologies Mr C. Truth is.....I love Tasmania. Thought about moving there many times. A little house at Binalong Bay sounds nice.
Have a great weekend everybody.
Ooooohhhhh....So now it all makes sense...
...typical private school, boys club, red wine drinker...
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give the brainiac the fluffy doll....not!....
smurph...merkel=pro-american
scroeder=anti-american....
lord,this is harder than pissing up a rope...:mj16:
"In transatlantic relations, Ms Merkel is demonstrating that she knows all about force and counterforce. ""With her pro-American credentials not in doubt, she can be more candid than Mr Schr?der, who won re-election in 2002 by openly opposing the war in Iraq. This week she said that “an institution like Guant?namo Bay in its present form cannot and must not exist in the long term.” Yet such statements contain nothing aggressive, argues Ulrike Gu?rot, of the German Marshall Fund; rather, they are the basis of a revitalised relationship. Her visit to George Bush is mainly intended to get to know each other, though she may also announce an increase in non-military aid to Iraq. (This week it also emerged that German spies in Baghdad had helped the Americans pick bomb targets during the war in Iraq.)
Ms Merkel's trip to Russia is likely to bring further careful corrections. She will give Vladimir Putin a harder time than Mr Schr?der ever did. Western concepts of democracy cannot just be schematically grafted on to Moscow, she recently said, but added “I do admit that I'm concerned about some recent developments, such as the new laws against NGOs.” On the vexed issue of Iran, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, her new foreign minister, has set the pace. By breaking the UN seals on its nuclear installations, Mr Steinmeier said this week, Iran “has crossed a line which the Iranians knew would not remain without consequences”. This must put in doubt any further negotiations between Iran and the EU three of Britain, France and Germany.""
Ms Merkel's trip to Russia is likely to bring further careful corrections. She will give Vladimir Putin a harder time than Mr Schr?der ever did. Western concepts of democracy cannot just be schematically grafted on to Moscow, she recently said, but added “I do admit that I'm concerned about some recent developments, such as the new laws against NGOs.” On the vexed issue of Iran, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, her new foreign minister, has set the pace. By breaking the UN seals on its nuclear installations, Mr Steinmeier said this week, Iran “has crossed a line which the Iranians knew would not remain without consequences”. This must put in doubt any further negotiations between Iran and the EU three of Britain, France and Germany.""
OK - I did not say that correctly. Yes, Merkel has been more diplomatic to the US in general - particularly economically and with US-Russian relations.
But quite contrary to what you and DTB attempt to paint, she and the overwhelming majority of Germany are AGAINST our invasion of Iraq and very critical of how we've gone about the war. She/they have no intention of joining our fight.
Merkel is a diplomat - seems like a pretty good compromiser - much better than Schroeder was.
But it's so much easier for you to just say one is pro-US and the other is anti-US. ....Cuz yeah, that's always the only issue in Europe - all they ever think about is the US.
Again - she would probably be considered boderline socialist in the US. Conservative and Liberal have different definitions over there, you know.
i have a soft spot for you partner(not that theres anything wrong with that)......
it`s all good......i`m sure you`ll be gentle when i get a little confused....
i`ve been a little shitty lately,i guess....spythe web and bryanz have been working me over unmercifully....
:shrug: ....
it`s all good......i`m sure you`ll be gentle when i get a little confused....
i`ve been a little shitty lately,i guess....spythe web and bryanz have been working me over unmercifully....
:shrug: ....
Weasal i guess i would be offended by this comment if it was said in every thread i wrote like when you type something. I will say this tho i shouldn't have commented in a thread i don't know much about but most if not all Islamist attacks have something to do with us or silly religion. anyone that supports us is a target or anyone that wants to stomp on their people for their own greed like Saudi Arabia are targets.
Hey, we've both stepped up our hostilities. I'm sure the abrassiveness will settle down after midterms. In fact, I can't see the escalation of violence continue. Words only go so far, and we both know all this crap isn't worth burning important MJ bridges..:argue:
We still have that 3rd party we were working on. I remember our common ground. I know you haven't forgotten.
Ooooohhhhh....So now it all makes sense...
...typical private school, boys club, red wine drinker...
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As insightful as ever.
