The problem at the moment is not the debt, but the rate at which it is growing. With no end in sight. Remember, we all have our hands in the cookie jar. Our elected officials stick there hands in and we grade them and vote for them on how many cookies they grab. Any politician that only puts one hand in the cookie jar usually gets voted out of whatever office they are in after one term. If they are fortunate enough to survive after doing that, during the second term, the hands go in, along with both feet and usually a few friends are invited to eat the cookies as well. This disease will eventually prove to be catastrophic if left untreated. Party affiliation does not seem to change the disease's symptom's or behavior of the afflicted. Only you can help! Prevent the cookie disease! Donate Now! Somebody will be happy to spend your money!:142smilie
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The sad part is the rotten fukers that caused this mess and profitted from it the most wont be the ones who pay to fix it. We will cut school programs, dip into SS, every place that didn't cause this mess will get hit intead of the theives who made out like bandits under this administration. By the way Gmrozz how about this idea? Isnt about time these religions get taxed like the rest of us? Pretty nice chunk of change right there.
Do you really need me to answer this? The church is a business like every other and should have to play by the same rules. When I start my LLC, I'm going to say that the business honors the God John Frum to see if I can land a tax break.
The Catholic Church is a political-action committee at it's heart and soul. The LDS church is a straight-up corporation. Those are just two examples. Both should be taxed like any other business.
Text of President Bush's weekly radio address
MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:19 PM ET Mar 31, 2007
This is the full text of president's weekly radio address:
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Good morning. In recent days, the House and Senate each passed emergency war spending bills that undercut our troops in the field. Each of the Democrats' bills would substitute the judgment of politicians in Washington for that of our generals on the ground. Each bill would impose restrictive conditions on our military commanders. Each bill would also set an arbitrary deadline for surrender and withdrawal in Iraq, and I believe that would have disastrous consequences for our safety here at home.
The Democrats loaded up their bills with billions of dollars in domestic spending completely unrelated to the war, including $3.5 million for visitors to tour the Capitol, $6.4 million for the House of Representatives' Salaries and Expenses Account, and $74 million for secure peanut storage. I like peanuts as much as the next guy, but I believe the security of our troops should come before the security of our peanut crop. For all these reasons, that is why I made it clear to the Democrats in Congress, I will veto the bill.
Democrats in the House and the Senate also recently passed their annual budget resolutions. Their budgets would raise your taxes and raise government spending in Washington. And their budgets fail to address the most serious challenge to our Nation's fiscal health: the unsustainable growth in entitlement programs, like Social Security and Medicare.
Overall, the Democrats would raise taxes by a total of nearly $400 billion over the next five years. To put this in perspective, this would be the largest tax increase in our Nation's history, even larger than the tax increase the Democrats passed the last time they controlled Congress.
Let me explain what it will mean for your annual tax bill if the Democrats get their way. If you have children, the Democrats would raise your taxes by $500 for each child. If you're a family of four making $60,000 a year, the Democrats would raise your taxes by more than $1,800. If you're a single mother with two children working to make ends meet, the Democrats would raise your taxes by more than $1,000. If you are a small business owner working to meet a payroll, the Democrats would raise your taxes by almost $4,000. And more than five million low-income Americans who currently pay no income taxes because of our tax relief would once again have to pay. Whether you have a family, work for a living, own a business, or are simply struggling to get by on a low income, the Democrats want to raise your taxes.
The Democrats plan to spend all those extra tax dollars. In the Senate, Democrats have passed a budget that would spend $145 billion more than I have requested over the next five years. In the House, Democrats have passed a budget that would spend even more -- $213 billion above my request.
With their budgets, the Democrats have revealed their true intentions. During the last campaign, Democrats said that under their "pay as you go" approach, they would pay for their new spending. Now we see what they meant by that. The Democrats have chosen a "tax as you go" approach that requires you to cut your spending to pay higher taxes. And Democrats will use these higher taxes to spend more of your money on their special interest projects.
Our Nation cannot afford such reckless taxing and spending. Under my Administration, we have kept your taxes low and restrained government spending in Washington. Now, America's economy is leading the world, with an economic expansion that has produced 42 months of uninterrupted job growth and created more than 7.5 million new jobs. The fastest way to stop this growth in its tracks would be to allow the Democrats in Congress to impose higher taxes on you so they can spend more of your money.
I believe there's a better way to balance our Federal budget. Last month, I sent Congress a plan that would eliminate the Federal deficit in five years, without raising your taxes. In the months ahead, I will work with Republicans and responsible Democrats in Congress to pass a disciplined budget and to stop the Democratic leadership from taking our Nation back to tax-and-spend policies of the past. By setting clear spending priorities and keeping taxes low, we can keep our economy growing, support our troops in the war on terror, and ensure our children and grandchildren inherit a more prosperous and hopeful America.
Thank you for listening.
MarketWatch
Last Update: 12:19 PM ET Mar 31, 2007
This is the full text of president's weekly radio address:
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Good morning. In recent days, the House and Senate each passed emergency war spending bills that undercut our troops in the field. Each of the Democrats' bills would substitute the judgment of politicians in Washington for that of our generals on the ground. Each bill would impose restrictive conditions on our military commanders. Each bill would also set an arbitrary deadline for surrender and withdrawal in Iraq, and I believe that would have disastrous consequences for our safety here at home.
The Democrats loaded up their bills with billions of dollars in domestic spending completely unrelated to the war, including $3.5 million for visitors to tour the Capitol, $6.4 million for the House of Representatives' Salaries and Expenses Account, and $74 million for secure peanut storage. I like peanuts as much as the next guy, but I believe the security of our troops should come before the security of our peanut crop. For all these reasons, that is why I made it clear to the Democrats in Congress, I will veto the bill.
Democrats in the House and the Senate also recently passed their annual budget resolutions. Their budgets would raise your taxes and raise government spending in Washington. And their budgets fail to address the most serious challenge to our Nation's fiscal health: the unsustainable growth in entitlement programs, like Social Security and Medicare.
Overall, the Democrats would raise taxes by a total of nearly $400 billion over the next five years. To put this in perspective, this would be the largest tax increase in our Nation's history, even larger than the tax increase the Democrats passed the last time they controlled Congress.
Let me explain what it will mean for your annual tax bill if the Democrats get their way. If you have children, the Democrats would raise your taxes by $500 for each child. If you're a family of four making $60,000 a year, the Democrats would raise your taxes by more than $1,800. If you're a single mother with two children working to make ends meet, the Democrats would raise your taxes by more than $1,000. If you are a small business owner working to meet a payroll, the Democrats would raise your taxes by almost $4,000. And more than five million low-income Americans who currently pay no income taxes because of our tax relief would once again have to pay. Whether you have a family, work for a living, own a business, or are simply struggling to get by on a low income, the Democrats want to raise your taxes.
The Democrats plan to spend all those extra tax dollars. In the Senate, Democrats have passed a budget that would spend $145 billion more than I have requested over the next five years. In the House, Democrats have passed a budget that would spend even more -- $213 billion above my request.
With their budgets, the Democrats have revealed their true intentions. During the last campaign, Democrats said that under their "pay as you go" approach, they would pay for their new spending. Now we see what they meant by that. The Democrats have chosen a "tax as you go" approach that requires you to cut your spending to pay higher taxes. And Democrats will use these higher taxes to spend more of your money on their special interest projects.
Our Nation cannot afford such reckless taxing and spending. Under my Administration, we have kept your taxes low and restrained government spending in Washington. Now, America's economy is leading the world, with an economic expansion that has produced 42 months of uninterrupted job growth and created more than 7.5 million new jobs. The fastest way to stop this growth in its tracks would be to allow the Democrats in Congress to impose higher taxes on you so they can spend more of your money.
I believe there's a better way to balance our Federal budget. Last month, I sent Congress a plan that would eliminate the Federal deficit in five years, without raising your taxes. In the months ahead, I will work with Republicans and responsible Democrats in Congress to pass a disciplined budget and to stop the Democratic leadership from taking our Nation back to tax-and-spend policies of the past. By setting clear spending priorities and keeping taxes low, we can keep our economy growing, support our troops in the war on terror, and ensure our children and grandchildren inherit a more prosperous and hopeful America.
Thank you for listening.
What's been the hold up? The deficit spirals out of control while he's in office with Republican control of the House but now he has a plan to eliminate it in 5 years? Makes sense to me.
He's playing a political game. His plan is probably ridiculous, but by having his "plan" rejected, he can claim that it isn't his fault and the national debt is Democrat's responsibility.
If Bush had made any progress in the past, I'd buy into what he's saying and hope his plan comes close to its goal. Unfortunately, this sounds like a Karl Rove special, nothing more.
Lets not forget there are Reb's that asked for some of that money. Not just Dem's. I see 10/15 billion for other. Over 80 Billion for Iraq. Looks like percentage wise Iraq big winner.
I hope everyone understands the difference between deficit and debt. He is talking about getting rid of something he created (deficit) when in fact he had a surplus in this area. So in essence he is gonna try to get rid of something he created. Of course in this time the debt just soars. Its laughable to hear this guy talking about democrats spending habits when nobody in our history has spent more than this fool. Its been six years and now he knows how to balance a budjet? His father never knew how to balance a budjet ((not sure any republican knows how) and when this dick was in Texas he drove them broke with his silly tax cuts for the rich. He ran business after business into the ground and if it wasn't for his connections he would be dead broke. I don't know to much about the economy in Florida but i wouldn't be surprised if the other son has them brolke to. DTB at what point does the age or reason finally set in with you and realize this guy and his administration is full of shit? You can tell a guy is from Kentucky but you just can't tell him anything.
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The sad part about this DJv is the republicans these rotten dogs will point this out. Every single penny from here on out will be pointed out by republicans. Six years of getting all their pet projects passed with incredible spending and now they have a concern about spending? This is what i mean about how rotten these fuks are. They all got the benefits for six years and made a boat load of money but now we have none and most likely we are gonna be the ones that have to fork it over. I find it amazing how i have been screaming on here about the money being stolen and most couldn't care less but now all the sudden they do.:shrug:
Wayne, did I miss something in the bills that passed? Where, exactly, did the bills note the word surrender? Did we pass a bill that said we would surrender, or did Bush, um, fabricate that part of the story?
If liberals can call a treaty in Viet nam a loss--I find it difficult to believe they can't equate withdraw with surrender:shrug:
However we have untill end of 08 for certain. Won't be no floppin till then anyway.
Spongebob
Karina 150 billion + 400,000 jobs
911 about a trillion and almost a even more jobs
--and economy has record tax revenue last and expected new record to be broken this year--and unemployment under 55:shrug:
oh I see--none of that comes into the equation--
When you need to worry--as long as economy flows- cost of short time spending (war) is not factor---when you try to get more revenue by raising taxes vs expanding economy--then you got a problem.
However we have untill end of 08 for certain. Won't be no floppin till then anyway.
Spongebob
Karina 150 billion + 400,000 jobs
911 about a trillion and almost a even more jobs
--and economy has record tax revenue last and expected new record to be broken this year--and unemployment under 55:shrug:
oh I see--none of that comes into the equation--
When you need to worry--as long as economy flows- cost of short time spending (war) is not factor---when you try to get more revenue by raising taxes vs expanding economy--then you got a problem.
The only person I see equating this as a surrender, is Bush with his spinning radio address. But thanks for projecting. Interesting to hear the administration try to convince us how well things are going in Iraq, and then say if we withdraw troops after six years of occupation, it will constitute a surrender.
Just like any additional programs put up by democrats are labeled pork, and any put up by Republicans are necessary supplemental spending initiatives.
Just like any additional programs put up by democrats are labeled pork, and any put up by Republicans are necessary supplemental spending initiatives.
The pork spenders are equal opportunity politicians from both sides in my view--and not giving GW pass on Medicare ** Bill they passed which is non ending escalating expense--the deficit monster of the worse kind.
What exactly are you referring to? The defense spending part of the bill? That would fit the definition of non-ending escalating expense, I agree. No end in sight with the current warhawks in control of policy in Iraq - with no limitations.
Was referring to GW's medicare ** plan--will be ongoing and escalating--however will be drop in bucket to Hilliary's would be healthcare reform.
while on that issue--instead of finding new entitlements--why have the Dems who were beating the drums about rebs trying to fix SSN become silent now when issue is in their hands--they afraid to lose votes--you would think they would have responsibilty of fixing entitlement program in jeopardy before trying to start another
----and what say you
Once we get that settled we can go to immigration reform--again have we heard a peep from dems on issue??
--but hey--they were quick on the minimum wage:shrug:
while on that issue--instead of finding new entitlements--why have the Dems who were beating the drums about rebs trying to fix SSN become silent now when issue is in their hands--they afraid to lose votes--you would think they would have responsibilty of fixing entitlement program in jeopardy before trying to start another
----and what say you
Once we get that settled we can go to immigration reform--again have we heard a peep from dems on issue??
--but hey--they were quick on the minimum wage:shrug:
I would expect about as much done from Dems as GOP on that front. Goose egg.
Wow, this post seems like a scramble to me, but I will play along. You criticize Hillary's healthcare reform, when the dems are the only ones to answer the recent call to discuss the healthcare issue and go on the record. Most of the major dem candidates were there, and put forth their ideas. We have learned that the republicans have no desire to do anything except pay back their financial supporters with privatizing schemes, and avoiding anything that will cut profits from the status quo, if they can avoid it.
What say me on Social Security? Hmm, should I select one of the many issues the republican majority avoided over the past six years in coming up with legislation? I have to think that the democrats have been engaged in many different issues important to their voting constituents, including attempting to follow the wishes of a majority of Americans in the number one issue facing our country - Iraq. Should I pick veterans issues and point out what republicans have done in their first few months? Let's go with that. How about what the republicans did in their first few months to fix the issue you bring up - social security? What did they do? With a majority? How about healthcare? What did they accomplish in their first few months? Maybe I missed something. Please advise.
Immigration reform? Isn't that the isssue of your party? Oh, wait...you guys couldn't come together on that one, mainly because your President couldn't develop a policy that the other big business supporters could agree with - meaning the employment of cheap labor. I think you had six years to fix it. We have been trying to fix the Iraq mess, again. Blame us for what you couldn't do during your time? Whatever. Immigration issues in my mind should be at the root of Homeland Security...protecting our REAL borders. I guess in some cases we don't need to protect our borders against questionables.
Yes, they were quick on the minimum wage. Something that has not been raised in a long, long time. Many would say it has been far too long. Again...at least this group has accomplished some things in their first few days and months...unlike the keepers of the flame for the past few years. I understand how you could criticize any actions taken in short order...definitely not the path taken by our previous legislators.
Kind of funny how you blame dems after a few short months for things the republicans couldn't do in six years. I guess it all is a matter of perspective. PROPER perspective is important, isn't it?
Believe the Rebs brought both SNN and immigration to the table with plans on both:shrug:
Would you clue us in on what plans the dems have for either--
i'd like to take a look at them
--I will venture a guess for future reference
--Immigration-none
--SNN raise taxes-what else.
and a little on Drudge Report today--
FLASH: DRUDGE REPORT'S TOP MONTH IN ITS 12 YEAR HISTORY: MARCH 2007! MAIN PAGE LOADED 425,371,511 TIMES... TOPS MARCH 2006'S 287,443,312 ... MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT... THE LOVERS AND THE HATERS... AND THE ONES THAT STILL FIND THE INTERNET TOPS FOR NEWS AND INFORMATION!
Would you clue us in on what plans the dems have for either--
i'd like to take a look at them
--I will venture a guess for future reference
--Immigration-none
--SNN raise taxes-what else.
and a little on Drudge Report today--
FLASH: DRUDGE REPORT'S TOP MONTH IN ITS 12 YEAR HISTORY: MARCH 2007! MAIN PAGE LOADED 425,371,511 TIMES... TOPS MARCH 2006'S 287,443,312 ... MANY THANKS FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT... THE LOVERS AND THE HATERS... AND THE ONES THAT STILL FIND THE INTERNET TOPS FOR NEWS AND INFORMATION!
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Like I said, I think the Dems have been busy with some other issues, and considering that they have been in "control" for three months now, they cannot be held to the same accomplishment or legislative action score as the Republicans showed in six years. Nice try, it doesn't make sense to do it. You hand pick a couple of items and say, what have they done? The thing is, when they do something, you usually don't agree with it anyway, so there will be no real upside in the Dogs/Wease measuring stick if and when they do.
I have seen dem proposals to roll back tax cuts for a select few, yes, which you call raising taxes. Po-ta-to, Po-tah-toe. Have also seen commendable legislation against corporations taking their home offices to the Cayman Islands to avoid taxes and still being eligible for huge taxpayer sponsored contracts. Ethics reform, Iraq, the stuff people put them in office to try to take care of...ya know. And the recent summit to tackle health care issues is a great step, very important to the well-being of our citizens.
But, they didn't get around to your two selections, so they aren't doing anything. Well done.
As for Drudge being a busy site, you are correct. I hear the Enquirer and MySpace are pretty busy too...your point?
I have seen dem proposals to roll back tax cuts for a select few, yes, which you call raising taxes. Po-ta-to, Po-tah-toe. Have also seen commendable legislation against corporations taking their home offices to the Cayman Islands to avoid taxes and still being eligible for huge taxpayer sponsored contracts. Ethics reform, Iraq, the stuff people put them in office to try to take care of...ya know. And the recent summit to tackle health care issues is a great step, very important to the well-being of our citizens.
But, they didn't get around to your two selections, so they aren't doing anything. Well done.
As for Drudge being a busy site, you are correct. I hear the Enquirer and MySpace are pretty busy too...your point?
