this hearing is a joke !!!!!

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here is another good column about yesterday's hearings....

Jon Heyman
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Players' testimony reveals weaklings


March 18, 2005


WASHINGTON, D.C.

From the consummate windbag (Curt Schilling) on one end of the panel to the consummate dirtbag (Jose Canseco) on the other, baseball's lineup of five major-league wafflers, backpedalers and truth-hiders all whiffed at the Congressional steroid hearing.

No one whiffed more pathetically and profoundly than Mark McGwire, who didn't have the guts to either admit or deny he and his records are one gigantic fraud.

McGwire came up remarkably small. Speaking like an automaton after nearly breaking down during his evasive statement, McGwire said nothing worthwhile while alternating three excuses, one lamer than the next.

"I'm a retired player," he said.

"I want to be positive," he said.

"I'm not going to talk about the past," he said many times.

Guess what? That'll be our precise answer when McGwire's name comes up for Cooperstown consideration. We won't consider his past, either, at least nothing before yesterday, when he stonewalled at every turn after nodding dutifully and unconvincingly to the committee's assertion that baseball needs to eradicate steroids.

Deviating from his pitiful script once, McGwire said, "Steroids are wrong. It gives you nothing but false hope."

Alas, his great hope of getting away with a career-long deception ends now.

Today, McGwire's 70 home runs in 1998 look like a sham.

McGwire read a statement trumpeting his good deeds and lamenting the no-win box he's in. He has himself to blame.

If McGwire were innocent of taking steroids - or even confident of not being caught red-handed - he would have asserted innocence. But he knows investigators and reporters are closing in. He said, "My lawyers have advised me I cannot answer these questions without jeopardizing my friends, my family or myself."

But he was never asked to name one name, only his own.

Predictably, he declined.

In a way that is understandable, as he was saving his hide. What's the excuse of the other four playing panelists?

Canseco scored by being the one player to admit baseball's serious problem, but his credibility quickly went into the toilet.

Without pressure, Canseco retracted the very thesis of the book he pumped for weeks, that steroids are good. Now Canseco says steroids are bad, very bad. The reality is, he says whatever is convenient or profitable. Another fraud.

Schilling supposedly was invited because he's the one in the game who's both outspoken and admired. Yet he took back the honest comments he'd made about the prevalence of steroids in baseball, erasing any reason to admire him on this matter.

"I grossly overstated the problem due to being uninformed and unaware," he said. Then Schilling called Canseco a "liar" for doing the very same thing, for "grossly overstating" things. Schilling, another phony, is unbelievable.

After expressing condolences to three parents who lost steroid-using sons to suicide, not one player felt an obligation to provide straight answers.

Maybe they thought they were being team players by toeing the company line. But to a man, they came off as monstrous weasels.

According to their testimony, not one of the players once confronted or reported a cheating teammate. Not one would venture a guess as to how prevalent steroids are in baseball. Yet Rafael Palmeiro bragged, "We are policing ourselves." How's that?

Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa denied steroid use, Sosa doing it through a paid mouthpiece. Maybe Sosa looked better than McGwire - for a day, anyway. But Sosa still acted guilty, whispering answers, giving non-answers and generally showing no interest.

Baseball told us there was no need for a congressional hearing, that it is taking care of the steroid problem. But it's easy to see why the committee lacks faith. Commissioner Bud Selig still had his head in the sand when he said there's "no concrete evidence" baseball ever had a "major problem." They had a problem yesterday, that's for sure.

The committee scored a near-shutout against baseball's powers, with only Padres GM Kevin Towers coming away unscarred. Towers disagreed with Selig about whether the sport ever had a major problem.

An honest man. There's one in every crowd.

While chairman Tom Davis acted like an autograph-seeker by halting members who aggressively questioned McGwire, and former Nebraska football coach Tom Osborne (R-Neb.) never should have been allowed to act as if he's on the right side of this issue, the committee scored by pointing out loopholes in baseball's new policy.

Coming up big were Christopher Shays (R-Conn.), Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) and Henry Waxman (D-Cal.), who spelled out baseball's see-no-evil, hear-no-evil steroids stance.

The evil is obvious. Yet even now, baseball and its players won't look or listen.
 

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I also thought the congressional hearings were pretty much a joke.

We all know steroids has been a major issue in baseball for at least the past 10-15 years, but nothing was ever looked into or done at anytime it was brought up. Canseco has always been rumored to be juicing. I can even remember reading some spring training news back in the early 90's I believe about how much bigger Canseco was when he reported to camp that particular season from the season before...not possible in the 5-6 month off-season. The mention of steroid were brought up at that time along with many other times.

It is easy to understand why all these players have taken them though. Just think about it for a while. If you were coming up in the minors not making crap for pay and you start seeing your teammates making the big leagues before you knowing that their inflated numbers are to a big degree based on steroid use. Very hard to thing to take seeing by clean players and a lot of those players probably felt they had no choice but to do the same thing...at least that's my feeling how this whole steroid rage was probably triggered.

Bottom line, baseball is paying now because something should have been done a long time ago.

Oh, by the way, do you all remember what the baseball media and all the players were saying when the Home runs and run production started going way up the past 15 years or so??

IT WAS THE BASEBALL THAT WAS JUICED :mj07:
 

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I'm a RedSox and Kurt Shill fan, but the guy is not the brightest color in the box of crayons. He is very full of himself and likes to talk unfortunately he is the typical sports guy. Like an average Joe, spent more time watching sportcenter than reading the business section. I see no reason he should even be in front of congress, other than get his name in the paper. I think it is like inviting Payton manning to the NHL lockout meetings....no reason. Nothing is going to come of this hearing, and honestly all broken records will carry a black mark. Saddest part are there are some solid ball players out there that will carry this stigma and they don't deserve it. But as I have always said....baseball is just the waiting room to FOOTBALL SEASON!

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I have to totally agree that the whole hearing was a joke. Are you kidding me? Those were the people who are running baseball and this COUNTRY up there talking? That sounded like a debate between 4th graders!!!! I thought each group was trying to make themselves look the worst.

The funniest thing if anybody saw it was when Resnick(oh) Ask Fehr if it were true that Baseball owners were allowed to write off players contracts:

Resnick: Mr fehr is it true that baseball owners are allowed to write off 1/2 of the purchase price of their team by capitalizing player contracts?

Fehr: Yes sir that was in true in the past b/c it was allowed by the I.R.S., but my current knowledge of the situation is that w/ in the last 120 days the I.R.S. and YOUR :shocked: congress have amended that law. The specifics I'm not sure of.

Resnick: OH! :withstupi Thank you thats all

The whole things was a waste of time and money! :mj11:
 
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I just heard Tommy Lasorda on a Live interview state that there are 500,000 high school kids using steroids.

500,000 !

Now that kind of puts the steroid use problem in baseball in a differant perspective.
 

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McGwire helped Selig dodge bullet

Bruce Jenkins

Saturday, March 19, 2005

Mark McGwire's pathetic downfall is the story right now, in the wake of Thursday's House committee hearings, and, in a twisted way, Major League Baseball should be grateful. Somewhat lost in the shuffle -- although hardly lost on committee members -- was an act of inconceivable incompetence from the office of Commissioner Bud Selig.

Can you imagine filing for a bodyguard's job, listing yourself as a robust 6-foot-5 and 230 pounds, only to later admit you're about 5-3 and a noted pacifist? "Whoops," you'll say. "Forgot a couple little details!"

That, essentially, is what happened when the committee requested a copy of baseball's new agreement regarding steroid use. It had been assumed all along, based on Selig's public comments, that a first offense would mean a 10- day suspension. The written language as presented to the committee, however, featured a bizarre new twist: A player could be suspended or fined -- an option that could exempt violators from the dreaded public exposure.

Rob Manfred, baseball's vice president in charge of labor issues, was the man responsible. If you weren't sure of that, you got the picture when Selig, at one stage of questioning, pointed his thumb in a hitchhiking-like gesture toward Manfred. Let's be clear that this is one of the most important documents in the history of the sport. And there's a blatant error in its most crucial passage? Who edited the thing, Smokey the Bear?

Apparently, this "drafting error," as Manfred called it, related to a carryover from the previous drug-testing language in 2002 (yeah, that's always a problem; I know when I filed my taxes this year, I inadvertently sent them everything from '98). So this crucial piece of information goes out -- to Congress , no less -- and it's grossly inaccurate? No wonder committee members were so relentless on this issue. Some of their comments -- like "unbelievable" or "an embarrassment" were precisely on target.

If it was indeed a simple mistake, Manfred's defense was not convincing. He told the committee, "In retrospect, the language should have been altered" and "the agreement might have been drafted better." Going on the assumption that Manfred and his minions aren't complete idiots, a logical conclusion is that MLB tried to pull a fast one: Documents ratified by players would not include the fine option (ESPN's Peter Gammons confirmed that, from the Angels' camp), nor would the media or anyone else hear a word about it. But in a crisis -- say, the uncomfortable notion of exposing a superstar who tested positive -- MLB could hide behind the "fine" option and cover the whole thing up.

Either way -- astonishing stupidity or an act of deception -- MLB comes off looking ridiculous. And that doesn't even address the disgrace of having an admittedly raw, unfinished policy at a time when players are being tested for steroids in spring training camps.

Say what you will about the hearings. Say the representatives should be paying attention to the real world. Say the hearings were a reaction to Jose Canseco's book, or that Rafael Palmeiro, Curt Schilling and Frank Thomas (by videoconference) should have been replaced by Barry Bonds, Gary Sheffield and the Giambi brothers. It was worth it to watch McGwire hang himself, and to have the committee remind us that we can't believe anything Major League Baseball tells us, ever, on any subject. The results were tremendously relevant and excruciatingly instructive.

Yes, with a side of no

Nice work by Canseco. After extolling the virtues of steroids in his book, he completely flipped during his testimony, prompting some hilarious and devastating criticism from Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass. "The book took nearly two years to write," Canseco explained. "That may have been my opinion two years ago, but it's not today." Conclusion: Canseco says any old thing that comes to mind, and might not actually believe it ... McGwire's tears were real, but deceiving. A longtime activist and spokesman on child abuse, McGwire is understandably emotional on a subject he brought up himself. But this was about steroids, not child abuse. Meanwhile, Mr. Positive McGwire sits there waiting for an Osmond Brothers concert to break out. Yo, Mark: This is about the past. You're here to "put a positive spin on this"? Putting it in a negative light is how the message gets through ... The entire players panel was a joke. It took just a single, defiant gesture -- pointing a finger toward the committee in defending his position -- to make Palmeiro a hero. He didn't say a thing of relevance the rest of the day, but in this company, he came off as Cary Grant on the set of a Three Stooges movie ... Sammy Sosa, fluent in English, wasn't at all believable. He looked uncomfortable, played the part of the know-nothing Hispanic guy, and had his not-quite-foolproof steroid denial read by an attorney. As one unnamed baseball writer was quoted in the Washington Post, "So, I guess that doesn't quite cover taking steroids orally if they were prescribed legally by a Dominican doctor." ... Thomas could have been in China, for all we know, and Schilling, who made some relevant comments about the steroid crisis in the past, turned into a blowhard spokesman for baseball's head-in-the-sand faction ... ESPN's analysis was valuable all day, especially in revealing a 1995 article quoting Selig as being in conversation with owners about steroids some 18 months before. That doesn't mix too well with Selig's insistence that he never heard about steroids until July 1998 ... There was a lot of bluster from the House committee about taking the reins on steroid punishment, removing baseball's antitrust exemption and perhaps acting unilaterally right now. We'll see. It might have been a steaming rush of buffoonery. If those representatives were serious, things could get interesting.
 
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