this is enough

[Coug LJ]

Jalen:

You make some good points, but I just don't think it is as biased as you think it is. I would think there would be more complaints by others like Bill Walton or Greg Anthony. When officiating is as one-sided as you say it is, it is remarked on. That hasn't been the case.

Also, the Pistons are getting a reputation for bitching about calls. After awhile, it gets tiresome and is seen as a ploy. More importantly, as I posted earlier, it is counterproductive to the team. They focus on things that they cannot control and if anything, bring animosity toward themselves. The Detroit Pistons went from the ultimate team without any superstars, to whiners and excuse makers. The truth is that they just got their asses handed to them. Plain and simple.

Let's think about the foul situation. The Spurs have two players who constantly drive to the hoop and are going to draw fouls. They also have Tim Duncan who is the most likely player on the floor to draw fouls. They also have been the more aggressive team on Offense. It is not surprising they should draw more fouls than a perimeter-oriented team like the Pistons.

If the games were closer, you might have an argument. A missed call could be crucial and could be pointed out as determining the outcome of the game. As it is, the Pistons after the first half of the first quarter of the first game, have been run over, out -played, and beaten on both ends of the floor.

Maybe, things change in Detroit, but it won't be because the officials. If you are banking on that, the series is over, finished. Give Rasheed a call and tell him to get ready to give belt to the Spurs.

 

[pt1gard]

LY when the Lakers were the ones in all sorts of foul trouble, Piston backers thought it was being whistled fairly and the Laker fans whined :violin:

bottom line to me is defense is great, it HELPS win championships, but you have to augment that by putting ball in basket--and Detroit has flunked that so far as badly as any team in recent Finals history ...

Deet is averaging 72.5 ppg and shooting .3899 at the moment

Rip came in shooting 48% during the entre playoffs, he's been cuffed to 33% ... obviously Pistons cant win like that ... Rasheed is a dice roll, and after CB they have no other scorers ... I would like to see Deet make a series of it, but Danny Crawford isn't locking up Rip, Bowen is ... and Prince's a no show too, 5/19--funny how many thought he'd lock up Gino and post his ass up, not quite working that way as of yet.

gl, gregg

 

[Scott4USC]

Why are we supposed to think Detroit is getting cheated with fouls? Certainly not because they are complaining. Rasheed Wallace screams at officials after being called for foul against Ginobili. Then Wallace lays down on the floor in disgust and shows up the ref. Then ABC shows the replay and Wallace clearly hits Ginobili in the arm. How stupid can you be?

Lets see Duncan cry to ref after hitting his man on arm and then lay on floor showing up the ref.

On opposite end of floor, we see R. Hamilton cry after every shot yet he doesn't stop and think to himself he gets away with offensive fouls sticking his arm out at defender to create separation. MAYBE the official has give and take thing with RIP. Rip gets away with offensive foul but he can't expect to get foul call if defender bumps him. No other player on floor sticks arm at defender as obvious and repeatedly as RIP. He does it outside paint as well!

Detroit needs to start playing defense with there feet/bodies and not there arms. Stay in front of Ginobili and Parker. Stop whining about getting called for a foul when you hit offensive player on arm. There are no phantom calls against Detroit. Every foul agains Detroit the Pistons player made contact with Spurs player. IN past series or playoffs Pistons maybe got away with it, but they need to adjust. You see Spurs playing defense with there bodies and always being in front of offensive player.

 

[Jalen45]

Yes, 4 fouls in the 1st can have a huge effect. But if they are fouls then they have to be called. If they are not all fouls, then its a tough way to get started and can influence the whole game.

well if thats the case, lets call on both sides of the ball. you dont think tim duncan gets more respect in the paint than ben wallace? of course he does. if tayshuan prince is going to called for 2 first qtr fouls (one which was just a terrible call, prince didnt even touch ginobili) then lets have the same thing called on the other side. put duncan and ginobili on the bench with 2 early fouls in the game and lets see whos more aggresive then. ok?


ill make my crying and whining desicions after tonights game. until then, ill agree the spurs ARE playing better ball, and perhaps would have won both games 1 and 2 easily, BUT not with a little bit of help

 

[ocelot]

Duncan definitely was getting BS calls. I remember one where he ducked his shoulder and just slammed through Rasheed - I mean drove into and through him and who do you think got the whistle?

Yeah, 1st quarter and Rasheed gets foul 2 and is headin to the pine.

Then there is Manu throwing himself backwards and sliding on his azz flopping across the floor. I still smile when I remember him getting triple-nuggeted in Round 1. Guy makes me sick.

 

[AU2001]

WOW.

maybe you guys dont realize that 4 1st qtr fouls against one team can actually determine the outcome of the whole game.

In Game 1, the Spurs were tagged with 5 straight fouls in the first 7 minutes of the first quarter, before Detroit was called for their first foul. At that point, Detroit had an 11 point lead.

The difference being San Antonio didn't poke out their lips and pout about it. They sucked it up, and fought through it.

Not only is Detroit getting embarrassed on the court, but their coach, players, and fans are becoming labeled as whiners in the media because of their inability to admit that SA is playing more aggressive defense, and executing at a much higher level than Detroit.

I am getting sick of Larry Brown using that monotone whining voice to try to get refs to take it easy on his band of hackers.

If they were really trying to call the game in favor of San Antonio, they could call 6 fouls on Rip Hamilton in the first quarter of both games because he pushes off with his right forearm on Bowen every time he tries to get open off a pick. Also, Rasheed Wallace has an arm wrapped around Duncan every time he touches the ball or when he's going for a rebound.

Come on Detroit, either start playing better basketball, or shut up about the refs, and just admit that you are getting beaten in every facet of the game by a better team. Thank you in advance.

 

[AU2001]

Duncan definitely was getting BS calls. I remember one where he ducked his shoulder and just slammed through Rasheed - I mean drove into and through him and who do you think got the whistle?

Yeah, 1st quarter and Rasheed gets foul 2 and is headin to the pine.

Then there is Manu throwing himself backwards and sliding on his azz flopping across the floor. I still smile when I remember him getting triple-nuggeted in Round 1. Guy makes me sick.

 

[Jalen45]

like i said, you stick and back with who you are rooting for, or who you are betting on, no mattter what happens in the game. bottom line. some could say spurs benefitting from the fouls, some will say they arent. no one is going to admit getting their ass kicked.

we'll see who is whining after 2nite.

 

[pt1gard]

the series can be summed up by one play thus far ...

ARROYO watches ball go out of bounds, too lazy to go after it and Gino hustles his ever present ass after it and ricochets it off Arroyo's indifferent shin ...

when i was 8 playing in Boys Club league, I did same thing on baseline and another kid in a crewcut fired ball back off my face OB ... It never happened again. You are always proactive in those situations. I learned that as a child. Detroit still figuring it out in this series.

he who hesitates ....

gl
gregg