This is sick how.......

[NySportsfan]

Everyone is arguing about the injustices in this sham bcs system, I guess they kind of want to create controversy and "buzz" but it is a sad fu----kin commentary that it's a great sport w/good pageantry and yet is the only sport where it's not decided on the field who is best, but as long as these colleges get fat checks and the ad's make fat paychecks and people shell out big bucks for the games despite the fraud of the system, it will continue to go on, just a sad state of affairs how $hitty college football is run, can make an argument for any of 'sc,lsu and oklahoma, and yet there is no way to decide, besides stupid computers, truly a crock of $hit

Mike

 

[Nick Douglas]

Mike,

I can see the frustration, but let's still keep this in perspective. Colleges are still meant to be institutions of higher learning. The priority should still be on academics & research first, football second. It's not like this is a massive human tragedy that some football players and fans don't get to decide a championship on the field. The teams get to play their games, decide their conference championships on the field and then as sort of a cherry on top they play a bowl game to wrap up the season. What is so terrible about that? I mean, my alma mater is the school allegedly getting screwed here but you won't see me raise a stink. It's college freaking football. Not a big deal.

 

[THE KOD]

I mean, my alma mater is the school allegedly getting screwed here but you won't see me raise a stink. It's college freaking football. Not a big deal.

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Nick

thats a good attitude.

Only trouble is we got Scott4USC in the bathroom comtemplating slitting his wrists over playing Michagan in the Rose Bowl.


KOD

 

[NySportsfan]

Nick,
I have to laugh at a few things you posted, sorry, it's not meant to mock you, and sorry if you are "high and mighty" in feeling that way. I know it's a sport, but it is big business, and don't kid yourself and think the non-sports part of the college is not a business, it IS, colleges are basically diploma factories. Yea, the focus should be on academics, but is it? Hardly man. have you ever checked grad. rates for college hoops and football players? Jeezus, they are there to play ball, they have chances to do the academic work, most of em don't wanna theyd rather play ball, focus on girls, of course they hurt themselves down the line, but it's their choice, school is overrated IMO anyway, many people I know didn't go and did well. But WAKE up, academics is first?cmon, then why are the entrance requirements so low for athletes? hmm, b/c they want to make sure they get the top players, and win, and generate revenues. Academics dont seem to matter with the hoops tournament eh? Guess they study right before,after and maybe at halftime of the games, Be realistic, christ, I know it's a game and entertainment, but don't be naive that they are academic institutions, you think lsu kids and fans and players focus on academics? Cmon, snap yourself into reality man, I usually agree with you and you're a smart guy, but you're living in an idealistic world

Mike

 

[mercury]

Good points by the last two, but I feel that there are too many unqualified kids going to college because they are good at a sport.The colleges and the kids are using each other.And it is most of the kids who get cheated at the end.Most of them will never be pros.
I guess the Ivy League has it right about the academics and sport student:true student athletes.

 

[NySportsfan]

Of course Mercury, the kids get cheated, but college is a fraud anyway and half these places have basket weaving 101 that the athletes can take, one hand washes the other, money still rules over it all sadly enough in this world

Mike

 

[Nick Douglas]

Mike,

How many former college athletes who did not sniff the pros have you ever met? My guess is few, if any. The media loves to create a scandal and talk about low graduation rates and other problems with student athletes but the reality is that a large majority of student-athletes take advantage of their time at school. There are plenty of professionally successful former student-athletes who would not have had any chance at college admission if not for their athletic talent that were able to use either a college degree or the connections made through their time at college to better their financial situations for the rest of their lives. *That* is what college athletics is supposed to be about. My advice is to find folks like that and understand their stories rather than letting the media spoon feed you stories about academic and legal scandal among college athletes.

Here is the bottom line that I should have made more clear in my previous post. A playoff would be too much of an academic burden on student-athletes and it would also be a difficult financial proposition. Even if colleges look at football programs as a business, as you assert, then bowl games as they exist today would become obsolet. At most you might be able to squeeze in a 3 week, 8 team tournament, which would allow for a total of 7 revenue producing games. Today there are, what, 25 or 30 bowl games? The loss in revenue to major conferences would be unacceptable. And that is only the financial problem. You would be taking students out of classes throughout finals for the fall semester if you did a December playoff. I can see people being in support of a January playoff, but scheduling would be incredibly difficult given that the NFL runs playoff games on two of the four Saturdays in January.

 

[z2000]

Nick-

Im lost. If a playoff is too much of an academic burden on the student athlete, then how are they able to acheive it on all the other levels of NCAA football?

There are playoffs in every one except I-A. The reason they are not there is because Bowls are big business. Not because it would be hard on the student-athletes. Bowl games need to become obsolete. A playoff will generate more revenue.

SC would be hurt finacially by a playoff, as would all of the teams in the BCS system.

 

[NySportsfan]

Nick,
You need to take your blinders off. Yea, at a lot of the lesser level athletic programs, a great deal of the guys take full advantage of their chances, at Vandy,the Ivy's etc. But, by and large, most do not. And, how are you telling me they will miss too much class time? Are you drunk? I guess they don't miss class time in March for 3 weeks during the NCAA tournament, traveling from the northeast to denver colorado to play a tournament game, I mean come on. Don't be naive, it's obviously about money, but I don't get it because a playoff would generate more buzz than these crappy bowl games, and the money could be divided between the major conferences, but no, the old boys network can't change tradition and they need to have "the big 10/pac10 champs" play in rose bowl, etc etc, and the cotton bowl and all. Have a playoff for 8 clubs, would generate massive revenue, and have some bowls for the mid-majors and the lesser teams and keep the affiliations, please don't say they'll miss too much class, the NCAA is about $$, if you don't realize that you're stupid, look at March Madness, Conference tournaments for 4 days away from your school, and that every other level has a playoff, they have things called tutors, since they really are inclined to study, Hell I wouldn't be either, some utilize it, but face the facts lot of guys don't and could care less about school, that's the bottom line reality of the matter

Mike

 

[gman2]

Nick-

Im lost. If a playoff is too much of an academic burden on the student athlete, then how are they able to acheive it on all the other levels of NCAA football?

totally agree.
the irony of it all is that divisions I-aa, II, and III all have playoffs.
and those are some of the most presitigous schools in the country, and they also have some of the most demanding admissions standards. schools like mount union and baldwin-wallace and john carroll have far higher admissions criteria than does ohio state or akron or kent state. academics do not factor into this argument whatsoever

 

[z2000]

Don't be naive, it's obviously about money, but I don't get it because a playoff would generate more buzz than these crappy bowl games, and the money could be divided between the major conferences

The current system guarantee's the money will be divided between the major conferences. A playoff system guarantee's less money for the Big 6.

 

[NySportsfan]

ok z, I stand corrected. I guess that explains why they won't change, what do they care if the champs not decided on the field, as long as they make more money, truly is sad commentary, but it's a reflection on america basically, everyone pretty much is in it for the money and he with the most toys wins

Mike

 

[bjfinste]

Eight teams get BCS berths right now. If they just took those teams and put them in a playoff, the other bowls wouldn't be affected at all. How many people care about a bowl like the Music City Bowl or the Peach Bowl besides the locals in the area, fans of the two schools playing, and gamblers? I don't see how that would change. The teams that are playing in those types of bowls had no chance to make an 8-team playoff field anyway.

The interest level would remain the same, except the playoff bowls would generate a lot more interest.

As for missing class, that argument has already been wrecked in this thread with the examples of the lower levels of football and the NCAA hoops tourney (not even to mention that cbb teams frequently play at least one mid-week game a week all through Jan. and Feb.). Keep in mind, if there were an 8-team playoff, only two teams would play one extra game, and two teams would play two extra games. Doesn't seem very significant to me.

Of course there would still be arguments as to what schools deserve the 7 and 8 seeds and whether or not the top-ranked mid-major should get a shot (for the record, I think they should), but it certainly wouldn't be an 11-1 type of team getting hosed.

Instead of the sham we will get this year, you'd have, based on final BCS standings: Oklahoma vs. Miami (OH), LSU vs. Kansas State, USC vs. Miami (FL) and Florida State vs. Michigan as opening-round pairings (Ohio State would go over Miami OH if you don't like the mid-major idea). The four major bowls could easily be incorporated into these final seven games.

 

[Nick Douglas]

Lower divisions wrap up their playoffs in early-to-mid December, *before* exams. Given the fact that teams play 12 D I-A games per season plus a possible conference championship, fitting all of that in plus a playoff by early to mid-December would be next to impossible. So you tell me, then: how do you propose we schedule a playoff that allows student athletes to still take their exams without conflicting with the NFL playoffs in January? Sheesh. Some people just don't think before they write.

As far as comparisons to the basketball championship go, check your calendar. The championships are in March, when nobody is taking exams and when some schools are on spring break. Think that just might be a coincidence, dumbass? Or do you think that well paid, well educated school administrators know a hell of a lot more than a bunch of compulsive gamblers?

 

[bjfinste]

The championships are in March, when nobody is taking exams and when some schools are on spring break. Think that just might be a coincidence, dumbass?

Almost all schools have midterms in March leading up to spring break, which aren't finals but generally, at least in my experiences, represented at least 20 percent of the final grade.

Even so, missing a day to study for a final I wouldn't think would be as damaging as the constant missed classes the basketball player suffers by going on the road during the week for the first two months of the season. Dumbass.