this is what i say when i talk about refs..

[elmer fudd]

fixing games..williams is given 3 cheap early fouls to effectively kill the wildcats offense..this shit happens all the time in all the sports..it is never the players in the last 20 years because they make too much money..but the garbage refs pull this shit all the time..

 

[ppabart]

his 3rd foul was his own fault. smart players dont reach in.....especially with 2 fouls and you just walked back on the court 20 seconds ago. The ref had to call that foul because he hacked the arm of the Uconn big guy....causing him to miss the chippy.

 

[elmer fudd]

not saying all 3 were bad, just saying if you want to control the outcome of the sporting event you use the officials to call fouls and make a player sit while the other team makes hay!!!!!!

 

[michaeljbird]

I started a thread the other day about Doug Show . Hes at it again, like every game. He made every call on williams, and called him for a travel that wasnt even close . He is the most pathetic piece of human in basketball.

 

[elmer fudd]

I started a thread the other day about Doug Show . Hes at it again, like every game. He made every call on williams, and called him for a travel that wasnt even close . He is the most pathetic piece of human in basketball.

fricken rediculous...i guess the powers to be want uconn in the final four!!:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

 

[michaeljbird]

Doug Show is SHIT

 

[elmer fudd]

hate to say it but all officials suck..all sports..doesn't help they are old/slow and blind to boot..:0008

 

[Cricket]

hate to say it but all officials suck..all sports..doesn't help they are old/slow and blind to boot..:0008

A :00x11 big sun. morning AMEN

 

[ppabart]

hate to say it but all officials suck..all sports..doesn't help they are old/slow and blind to boot..:0008

Why do you bet then? I'm not saying this to be a dick.....it's a serious followup question. If the above quote is how you feel, then why gamble on sports? You know going in that referees are part of the equation....and referees are variable. That's the best word I can use in this case....variable. And like most people, they have good days and bad.

In the sports betting world, you have to consider referees as part of the equation. Wouldnt you agree?

 

[elmer fudd]

they are not VARIABLE they are CROOKED..they are also old and inept..refs should be fulltime, year round,with physical testing ongoing..there is no excuse for missing or creating calls..people like you give them the benefit of the doubt and i say that they should stive to be excellent,which they don't..the refs are not suppose to be part of the game, they are suppose to enforce the rules equally for opponents..they are crooked and piss poor people..i know a couple and they are azzholes as people as well..there is no excuse for this either as the leagues have the cash to get and pay for the very best..but the very best wouldn't be crooked,so that plan goes out the door..i bet because i enjoy it and i make good money doing it but if the refs would give an equal shake then i would make even more..i will not stand for thievery or ineptness..:nono:

 

[ppabart]

elmer....you seem to be contradicting yourself here. "I bet because I enjoy it" you say, but your words say otherwise....at least in this case. And I know what you are saying about refs not being part of the game. You are right, they are supposed to be there to enforce the rules.....but since they are human, that makes it a variable...and thus, part of the game.

"People like you give them the benefit of the doubt." Cmon now. Is every ref crooked when he makes a bad call or has a bad game? You can't lump every referee into the same pile. There may indeed be crooked refs out there.....but it's certainly the exception, not the rule. Referees are people. Back in the 80s and 90s, before technology in games really started taking over with replays and such, it seems like refs were given more slack. But now since there are tons of camera angles and slow motion replays, it's a lot easier to be a critic.

I say some of what I do because I have refereed basketball and umpired baseball. Neither are easy. Even in youth games, you'd be surprised how close some plays are. I guess since I've walked a mile in their shoes, I have a bit more appreciation for just how difficult it is.

best of luck with your plays, elmer

 

[michaeljbird]

I cant speak for elmer . I agree with him and I agree with you ppabart. My issue is with a small percentage of refs that consistently control a game. They are the guys that are so biased in their calls for or against a said team. They love having their mug on t.v. and they are bigger than the game. Doug Show is that guy. Most every game he calls is so one sided in every aspect. Not just fouls, but traveling, carrying calls, possession plays. I dont care who is playing. Who wants to watch one team outshoot the other 20-1 from the free throw line ??? IN THE FIRST HALF ? He is scum. Most officials do a fantastic job. It is a very tough job. But there is not place for a guy like Doug Show. I used to make a fortune in games where Teddy Valentine was involved. He was/is such a prick he loved going against the home team. He would make calls and then look in the stands showing the fans he was controlling the game. He could take the noise and the air out of a gym in a heartbeat. I would unload anytime i knew he was involved and very rarely lost a bet. The problem with Doug is there is no way to tell who is is going to fuck. But, he will ALWAYS fuck up a game.

 

[ppabart]

Two names that come to mind from my childhood....Lenny Wertz and Dick Papparo. Both were referees in the ACC and the fact that I know and remember their names after all these years tells you a little something. They both liked making calls too. But I don't think they were crooked.

 

[LordofBalls]

I think you both have a point bart and chubba...

1st let me say I had Arizona and ml and over in yday's game... I was at fantasy baseball draft and fortunately didn't see the game except a few mins in mid 2nd half...

It's not the refs are necessarily crooked or paid off, but that there are refs w/agendas.. w/known agendas or even possibly subconsciously.

Doug Show sounds like one of those, he wants to be contrarian to the majority of the crowd for example.
To "show" them who's in charge, get the attention, the boos... whatever, it gives him a thrill inside.. a woody... whatever.
Or... maybe he remembers the coach from a game from 3 yrs ago and wants to get back at him... it's certainly possible and certainly happens.

But you shouldn't give the team star his 3rd foul in 1st half if you can help it...
Any high-quality ref definitely knows if a team's "star" already has 2 fouls and he'd be giving him his 3rd and getting him out of the game w/that particular call..
And you also know that maybe 1 or 2 of his earlier fouls were questionable or even terrible calls...

And so sometimes, you swallow the whistle even on an obvious foul if it's his 3rd (as I said I didn't see the game). if he fouls agaiin, you're gonna call it... he had one freebie.. people make "no calls" all the time
Yes... you give him a break... because you know that the Refs shouldn't be the determining factor in such a big game...
As someone that has played at pretty high-level, and has officiated over 1800+ games.. I know that's the right thing to do, most all refs know that.. they won't admit it in public, but alone together, good ones will....

Sounds like this guy "Show" is a jerk... you say he called all the travelings, other 'phantom" calls, etc..

That should show up on his evaluations...
among the League he works in and the Ncaa assignment committee,
and he should be left off... period.

Then the big question is why does he keep getting assignments???

If you regularly see him and his poor work and one-sidedness, then write a letter to the SEC Office and "demand an inquiry"...
or to the school's athletic dept... I believe they have the power to "blacklist" certain refs from their games...

I hate the fact it's an "old boys network" at the ncaa and in each league in fact... especially the biggest leagues (sec, big 10, pac 10 etc)

The fact is the best refs don't always get the assignments... and they should... even if they have less seniority...

I feel your pain!!


Hoping for improvement!! :0074

LoB

 

[ppabart]

As always.....good post LoB

 

[elmer fudd]

by the way i ref'd football,basketball and umped in baseball..besides knowing the rules, the most important thing is being in position to make the correct call..2ndly being honest ALL THE TIME,never use makeup calls as 2 wrongs never make a right one..BEING OLD,SLOW AND DISHONEST KEEPS THESE REFS FROM DOING THEIR JOBS PROPERLY..

 

[TeeMo]

they are not VARIABLE they are CROOKED..they are also old and inept..refs should be fulltime, year round,with physical testing ongoing..there is no excuse for missing or creating calls..people like you give them the benefit of the doubt and i say that they should stive to be excellent,which they don't..the refs are not suppose to be part of the game, they are suppose to enforce the rules equally for opponents..they are crooked and piss poor people..i know a couple and they are azzholes as people as well..there is no excuse for this either as the leagues have the cash to get and pay for the very best..but the very best wouldn't be crooked,so that plan goes out the door..i bet because i enjoy it and i make good money doing it but if the refs would give an equal shake then i would make even more..i will not stand for thievery or ineptness..:nono:

So I'm guessing that you've never been on the right side when it comes to questionable calls ??? Come on man........

 

[greggraffin]

games are always fixed when someone is on the wrong side..

but in all seriousness, just the sheer volume of games there is bound to be some anomalies, but no fixes, just ask the bound book(tongue in cheek)

 

[elmer fudd]

what i am saying is refs are the ones that fix games, not the players..at least over the last 20 years because the player salaries are too high now..and if the refs are in the correct position they won't blow calls unless they WANT to!!:toast: