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"The Christian religion is a parody in the worship of the sun, in which they put a man called Christ in the place of the sun, and pay him the adoration originally payed to the sun."

Thomas Paine
1737 - 1809



The Holy Bible is a complete and utter rip off of some earlier religious stories that are based on astrology.
 

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TESTING THE FAITH
Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015?
Minister uses NASA forecasting to study signals of Jesus' return
Posted: April 30, 2008
11:49 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
? 2008 WorldNetDaily

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(this is funny - trying to post a pic that happens to have the same name as the mooning emoticon. ...oh well.)
Total lunar eclipses often make the moon appear red

Will Jesus Christ return to Earth in the year 2015?

And can studying NASA's website provide evidence for such a scenario?

A minister who promotes the Old Testament roots of Christianity suggests a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God's annual holy days seven years from now could herald what's come to be known as the "Second Coming" of Jesus.

"God wants us to look at the biblical calendar," says Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash. "The reason we need to be watching is [because] He will signal His appearance. But we have to know what to be watching as well. So we need to be watching the biblical holidays."

In a video interview on the Prophecy in the News website, Biltz said he's been studying prophecies that focus on the sun and moon, even going back to the book of Genesis where it states the lights in the sky would be "be for signs, and for seasons."

"It means a signal, kind of like 'one if by land, two if by sea.' It's like God wants to signal us," he said. "The Hebrew word implies ... not only is it a signal, but it's a signal for coming or His appearing."

Biltz adds the word "seasons" implies appointed times for God's feasts and festivals.

"When we hear the word feast, we think food. But the Hebrew word has nothing to do with food. It has to do with a divine appointment, as if God has a day timer, and He says, 'OK, I'm gonna mark the day and the time when I'm going to signal My appearance.'"

In the Old Testament, the prophet Joel states, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come." (Joel 2:31)

In the New Testament, Jesus is quoted as saying, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light ... And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:29-30)

Gary Stearman of Prophecy in the News noted, "When we think of the sun being darkened and the moon not giving her light, we usually think of some astronomical catastrophe ? perhaps the sun sputtering and the moon being affected by all this. But maybe it's time to rethink this a little bit and think of it as a natural cycle, the cycle of the eclipses."

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Phases of lunar and solar eclipses on NASA's eclipse website

Thus, Biltz began focusing on the precise times of both solar and lunar eclipses, sometimes called "blood moons" since the moon often takes on a bloody color. He logged onto NASA's eclipse website which provides precision tracking of the celestial events.

He noted a rare phenomenon of four consecutive total lunar eclipses, known as a tetrad.

He says during this century, tetrads occur at least six times, but what's interesting is that the only string of four consecutive blood moons that coincide with God's holy days of Passover in the spring and the autumn's Feast of Tabernacles (also called Succoth) occurs between 2014 and 2015 on today's Gregorian calendar.

"The fact that it doesn't happen again in this century I think is very significant," Biltz explains. "So then I looked at last century, and, believe it or not, the last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967 and 1968 tied to Jerusalem recaptured by Israel."

He then started to notice a pattern of the tetrads.

"What's significant to me is that even before 1967, the next time that you had four blood red moons again was right after Israel became a nation in '48, it happened again in 1949 and 1950 ... on Passover and Succoth. You didn't have any astronomical tetrads in the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s. In the 1500s, there were six, but none of those fell on Passover and Succoth."

When checking the schedule for solar eclipses, Biltz found two ? one on the first day of the Hebrew year and the next on the high holy day of Rosh Hashanah, the first day of the seventh Hebrew month. Both of these take place in the 2014-2015 year.


The sun's corona becomes visible during a solar eclipse
Biltz says, "You have the religious year beginning with the total solar eclipse, two weeks later a total lunar eclipse on Passover, and then the civil year beginning with the solar eclipse followed two weeks later by another total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth all in 2015."

"If you think that this is a coincidence, I want you to know that it's time!" exclaimed Prophecy in the News host J.R. Church. "There are no more of these for the rest of the century."

The prospect of eclipses pinpointing the time of Jesus' return is getting mixed reaction in Christian circles.

After seeing Biltz's interview, Jim Bramlett, an author and former vice president for the Christian Broadcasting Network, expressed excitement.

"I have just watched the program two times and do not think I have ever been more encouraged or excited about the soon return of the Lord!" Bramlett said.

But Hal Lindsey, a well-known biblical analyst and author of "The Late Great Planet Earth," says while he hasn't heard of Biltz's theory, he called it "pure speculation."

"In my 50-something years of studying prophecy, to me the greatest indication of the time of Christ's return is based around the general things of prophecies coming together in the same time frame."

He mentioned not only Israel's birth as a political state in 1948, but the increase in tensions with Muslims, the rise of Russia, China and the European Union, which he says is even "calling itself the revived Roman Empire."

"I see the whole sweep and panorama spinning together in a precise scenario," he said.

During a second video interview, Biltz was presented with Bible quotes that many think suggest Jesus' return will be a complete surprise, or at least not specifically known.

The 25th chapter of Matthew features a parable where Jesus likens His kingdom to ten virgins all waiting for the arrival of their bridegroom.

Jesus said in the story, "ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." (Matthew 25:13)

Biltz says people need to examine the quote in its proper context.

"When He says you don't know the day or the hour, He's speaking to the foolish virgins, not the wise virgins," he explained.

Biltz was also asked about the famous statement in Matthew 24:36 when Jesus was discussing the signs of His "coming, and of the end of the world": "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36)

He responded by referring to the annual Feast of Trumpets holiday, saying Israelites never knew the precise moment it began, "because it was based on the sighting of the new moon."

"When He (Jesus) says you won't know the day or the hour, He's telling you it's the Feast of Trumpets because that was known as the feast where no one knew the day or the hour that it would begin," said Biltz. "So it's kind of like if I told you, 'I'm not going to tell you when I'm coming, but "Gobble, gobble, gobble,'" [pointing to] Turkey Day."

Church stressed despite the information suggesting 2015 could be a pivotal time, "We don't know that that will be the concluding year of the tribulation period ... so we're not setting a date and saying this is a warning. We're introducing the possibility of a watch."
 
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For my whole life - these apocolypse people are always predicting the end days to be about 7 years away. I guess that's a good number to keep people on their toes, sending money to the church, and voting for neocons.
 

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Tenzing told me, privately, that the kickball phenomenon was the true sign of the apocalypse. He being not only a mage, but an ascended one at that, I kinda tend to believe him.
 

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the kickball phenomenon was the true sign of the apocalypse..

Just doing my part. Some try to accelerate war with Iran to bring on the rapture, some participate in childish rec sports. 6 and half a dozen.
 

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Even better is Paine's The Rights of Man.
Very short--check it out.
Might make you wonder what went wrong.
 

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For my whole life - these apocolypse people are always predicting the end days to be about 7 years away. I guess that's a good number to keep people on their toes, sending money to the church, and voting for neocons.

The "End of Days" is a misinterpretation. It isn't referring to the end of the world, but one of the long ass zodiac cycles.
 

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Horus: Egyptian God of 3000 B.C.

-Born on December 25
-Born of a virgin
-Adorned by 3 kings
-Teacher at 12
-Baptized and started his own ministry at 30
-Traveled with 12 disciples
-Performed miracles (walked on water)
-Known as "The Light", "Lamb of God", and the "Good Shepherd"
-Crucified
-Dead for 3 days
-Resurrected



That sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it? What does that remind you of?
 

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Shoot. Maybe it isn't Attis, but Krishna that Horus sounds a lot like....

Krishna: India 900 B.C.

-Born of a virgin
-Star in the East signaled his coming
-Performed miracles
-Was resurrected upon his death
 

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Hmmmm. Maybe Dionysus is the answer...

Dionysus: Greece 500 B.C.

-Born on December 25th
-Born of a virgin
-Performed miracles (Turned water into wine)
-Referred to as the "King of Kings" and "God's only Begotten Son"
-Resurrected upon his death
 

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Jeez. I'm starting to think the answer might be Persia's Mithra....

Mithra: Persia 1200 B.C.

-Born on December 25th
-Born of a virgin
-Had 12 disciples
-Performed miracles
-Dead for 3 days
-Resurrected
-Known as "The Truth" and "The Light"
-Worshipped on Sunday
 

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lmfao!! :mj07:

interesting study of ancient gods, Gary. I've only heard of 3 of them, and the way you have them referenced (in comparison to Christ/Christianity) I've only heard of Mithra and the similarities.
 

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interesting study of ancient gods, Gary. I've only heard of 3 of them, and the way you have them referenced (in comparison to Christ/Christianity) I've only heard of Mithra and the similarities.

If you had heard of one, I would have thought it Dionysus. I've heard of him referenced along these lines a few times.

Considering that the basic story of Jesus mirrors other ancient myths, do you question the story in the Bible?
 

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Where the stories come from:

ASTROLOGY

Siirius, the star in the east (brightest in the sky), aligns with the 3 brightest stars in Orions belt on December 24th. These 3 stars were also called the "Three Kings" in ancient times. The alignment of the Three Kings and the star in the east point toward where the sun will rise on December 25th. Consider the significance: God's sun is born for the Winter Solstice.

The Virgin Mary sounds a lot like Virgo, the sign that is called Virgo the Virgin. The ancient latin symbol for Virgo is an altered "M". This is why other Virgin Mothers, like Myrra and Maya start with that letter. Virgo is also known as the "House of Bread". It is represented by a virgin carrying a sheaf of wheat. The word Bethlehem, literally translates to "House of Bread. Hence, Bethlehem is referencing a place in the sky, not on earth.

The significance of the timing of the year for the birth, the death and the 3 day ressurection is also based on the sun. From summer, until the winter solstice, the days get shorter and the sun appears to be dying. On December 22nd, the sun rises to its lowest point in the sky and appears to stop moving further south in the horizon for three days (December 22, 23, 24). During this time of the year, the sun resides in an astrological position known as the Southern Cross, or Crux Constellation. Finally, on December 25th, the sun moves one degree up in the noon sky, signalling the coming warmth and extra light. In sum, the sun dies in line with the Southern Cross for 3 days before being born.

This is why all of these myths share the same important points:
-Born on December 25
-Crucifixion
-Died for 3 days
-Resurrected (reborn)
 

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Part 2:

So what is the significance of Easter? It is a celebration of the Sping Equinox. This is the point to which the sun "overpowers" darkness and the day becomes longer than the night.

What is the significance of the "12 Disciples"? The reason you see multiple myths using this common number of close followers is that the leader represents the sun, and the followers represent the 12 constellations of the Zodiac. The number 12 is used a lot in the Bible:
12 Tribes of Israel
12 brothers of Joseph
12 Judges of Israel
12 Great Patriarchs
12 Old Testament Prophets
12 Kings of Israel
12 Princes of Israel
Jesus in the Temple at age 12
 

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Considering that the basic story of Jesus mirrors other ancient myths, do you question the story in the Bible?

absolutely not.

Do these other gods have as much historical data/proof to help substantiate them like Jesus does? U ever read any Flavius Josephus?
 

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absolutely not.

Do these other gods have as much historical data/proof to help substantiate them like Jesus does? U ever read any Flavius Josephus?

Clint: Thanks for responding. At least you don't look away and act like it isn't there.

What historical data are you referring to?

Unless it was covered in a class in HS or college that I've forgotten about, I haven't read anything by Flavius Josephus.....but you know it's now on the list.

The one that blows my mind is Justin Martyr. That guy stood at the door to the house of reason, and then spit on it. He had the answers, and then took the ridiculous position that those answers were placed their by the devil to sway the faithful. I wonder if he took that position as a passive aggressive tactic to show he knew, yet keep himself from getting killed.
 
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