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cleveland state (-3) over wright state (7:30pm EST tip)
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playing csu as a strong play (equal to the strongest ive played any game so far this season, including bg over detroit and wake over carolina). certainly doesnt make it a sure-fire winner whatsoever but i do think this will be a solid win for cleveland state. vikings desperately need a win, and garland was extremely pissed about the defensive effort by his guys the other night against loyola (letting up 90 pts in a 90-83 loss). he reiterated how it was unacceptable to allow 90 pts up on your home court. quick turnaround for csu as wright state comes to town. havent had a lot of practice time but i think his players got the message. i think westley and robinson both have solid games against a wsu team that is perenially garbage on the road. through all their troubles, vikings have shown signs of doing the things needed to win games. they hit the glass hard and they get to the free-throw line a shitload. (heres a significant stat in this one: csu has made more free throws this season than wright state has even attempted. (226 csu makes : 220 wsu attempts).
to maintain objectivity- where is csu deficient? taking care of the basketball. that is why theyre 3-9 instead of 5-7 or even 6-6. theyve lost so many close games. this is a more than winnable game against an opponent who struggles on the road. garland is just getting his feet wet as a head coach, but being a former michigan state assistant under izzo, theres no way hes going to put up with another bullshit defensive effort like csu had at home the other night. i think csu wins and covers this game with defense.

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gonzaga/pepperdine over 162 (8:30pm EST tip)
im not real big on overs, but this is one ive played almost blindly the last few meetings. to me, theres two conference match-ups that are great 'over' plays: virginia/maryland and gonzaga/pepperdine. waves already abhor defense, but when they face gonzaga, its like they dont even give defense a passing thought. the pace of the last four or five games in this series has been unreal. just up and down, 3s from all over the place, and little defense to speak of.

last years meetings:

gonzaga 92 pepperdine 72 (gonzaga led 50-28 at halftime. pepperdine hit 8 3s, gonzaga hit 9. gonzaga shot 54% for the gm)

gonzaga 78 pepperdine 63 (maybe some will remember this game. ostensibly, the final score indicates a defensive struggle. that wasnt the case. just a weird, weird 2h. gonzaga led 51-42 at halftime. 93 pts at half. but a strange 2h led to just a 27-21 2h and ultimately a 78-63 final. zags still managed to hit 12 3s in that game)

2001-2002 meetings:

gonzaga 91 pepperdine 78 (50-35 at halftime. mcgowan goes for 26 in a loss that was closer than the final)

gonzaga 88 pepperdine 79 (nothing special. just your regular old waves/zags shootout. gonzaga again shoots 50% from the field)

gonzaga 96 pepperdine 90 (this was the wcc championship game. defense in a title game with an ncaa berth on the line? lmao. not with these teams. 45-44 at halftime. pepperdine hits 12 3s, gonzaga hits 10)

all in all, if not for a fluke 2h in one of last yrs meetings (game was 51-42 halftime in that one), we'd be looking at 5 straight games where these guys just trade baskets and play matador defense. hell if you want to take it back a year further, the finals were 93-79 and 82-69. these guys just play run-n-gun basketball.

although it looks like pepperdine isnt scoring at their normal clip lately, consider that theyve been playing against some slow-down, 1/2 court teams (especially fairfield and utah). now they get back to wcc basketball. all offense, no defense. making an almost obligatory over play in a match-up thats been a cash machine for me.

also doesnt hurt that pepperdine is 70% from the line this year and gonzaga is 75%.
 
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butler (+8) over wisconsin-milwaukee
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can completely understand if many think this play is throwing money away. i think im like 1-4 backing butler this year. 2 or 3 of those were hook losses that were a free throw or two away from being covers, and one of those was an absolutely pathetic effort by butler in st.louis. i think their loss at wright state 5 nights ago might have been rock bottom though. they can only get better, and this number is extremely generous. fundamentally, they qualify in all my shooting categories (especially from the line, where theyre one of the best in the nation). i cant ignore significant revenge here. milwaukee beat the piss outta butler in the horizon league championship game last year. but these two teams have played a TON of nailbiters in recent years. aside from that horizon championship anomaly, the previous four meetings were decided by a COMBINED 8 points (2,4,1,1 -- w/butler winning gms 2 and 4 in that sequence). wisconsin-milwaukee is coming off a physical game with detroit on monday. butler is fresher, playing with revenge, and absolutely desperate for a win. like st.johns/syracuse last night, i see no reason this series wont have yet another game go to the wire.
 

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The word's out...

The word's out...

Up to 4 1/2 at Pinny. I'm happy to have grabbed some at 4. Good luck.
 

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This is not a very good Butler team this year. UWM slept walked the first half against Detroit after a long road trip but woke up the second half to cover against a good Detroit team. Players said they were physically and emotionally drained but pulled together to get a big win. For tonites game they will be prepared for a huge effort. They know the importance and will have a game like they did against UIC.
 

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Thanks for all you do in here gman. Appreciate your time. Just looking at the FH total of 77 and was wondering if you thought that was a good way to go. According to your post, both games last year surpassed that number, and it looks like most of their meetings have done the same. I think I am going that route instead. Good luck
 

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wineguy, heres the halftime scores of the last 5 meetings:

+ gonzaga 50 pepperdine 28
+ gonzaga 51 pepperdine 42
+ gonzaga 36 pepperdine 34
+ gonzaga 50 pepperdine 35
+ pepperdine 45 gonzaga 44

as far as an opinion on the 1h, i think 77 is a fair number. i think anything under 80 has value. i played the over 162 because -- assuming the line is sharp at (-9) -- pepperdine is going to be in catch-up mode all night long. and pepperdine in come-from-behind mode is probably gonna let up some easy gonzaga baskets as well as score a bunch on their own. wouldnt surprise me to see a 90-80 kind of final. i know some might be scared off by such a high college total, but waves lack of defensive commitment is amazing.
 

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alright west coast guys. talk me out of arizona state. i know childress is back, but with asu coming off an embarrassing loss and stanford having played just one game outside the state of california this entire season (and they struggled mightily with rice in that one), how are the sun devils not a very live dog. stanford with zona on deck as well saturday. what am i missing?
 

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gonzaga total from 162 to 163.5 to 164.5 and now 165.5 at olympic :eek:
 
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gman i coatailed you on cleve st. I am already on ASU due to stanford looking ahead to there game with az on sat. The line also seems low @ 6. ASU is 5-1 at home. Seems like i am the only person on Elon and wash st tongiht as well. :shrug: GL
 
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Dayum, Doppleganger, all that work you did and all that time you wasted waiting to get in here.....AGAIN, and admin caught you after just 3 posts and only a few minutes after your first bash under your new posting name.

Get a life because you're wasting too much time persuing your ridiculous aganda againt gman, one of the best posters we have here at madjacks.

Have fun opening a new email account somewhere (wasting more time) and registering (wasting more time) and waiting to be activated (wasting more time) then posting only to get banned again (wasting more time).

think about it, dude. is it really worth it?
 
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