Time For Congress To Actually Call A Play

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"Interesting" (trademarked statement) to see what will happen if the Prez throws it in their laps....

US eyes plan to empty Guantanamo prison: report

2 hours, 22 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US government is developing a "long-range plan" to empty its war-on-terror prison at its naval base in Guantanamo, Cuba, and seeking help on what to do with inmates who won't be tried, The Washington Post reported Friday.

President George W. Bush's administration may ask Congress to "spell out procedures for scores of suspected terrorists whom the government does not plan to bring to trial," :mj07: the report said, citing unnamed administration officials and others familiar with high-level White House talks on the thorny issue.

Last month the US Supreme Court ruled that inmates could challenge their detention in a civilian court. The US government had said it wanted to bring 60 to 80 Guantanamo detainees before military commissions, though only about 20 have so far been charged.

The commissions are highly controversial, notably because they accept indirect witness statements as evidence, as well as information obtained under duress.

One scenario under consideration would see "about 80 detainees ... remain at the facility in Cuba to be tried by military commissions, and about 65 others would be turned over to their native countries."

But "the focus of the intensifying debate is what to do with about 120 remaining prisoners, who are viewed by the administration as too dangerous to release but who are unlikely to be brought before military commissions because of a lack of evidence.

"Officials are considering whether to propose legislation in coming days that would establish legal procedures for such prisoners, who could be transferred to military or civilian prisons on the US mainland," the report quoted unnamed sources as saying.

Bush has said for more than two years that he would like to close the widely condemned prison camp at the Caribbean naval base, which itself lies on the coast of Cuba against the will of the communist government in Havana.

US authorities were cited in the report as saying no decision has been made on a potential close of the prison camp and that "the administration's debate is focused on what steps would be necessary for such a closure, including moving scores of terrorism suspects to other US detention facilities."
 

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who are unlikely to be brought before military commissions because of a lack of evidence.

This is my favorite part. The administration tells us (and we know them to be honorable and honest, right?) that these guys are dangerous, but they have a lack of evidence to even try to bring them to trial? They have enough on many of the others, but nothing of substance with these people - after all these years? They couldn't even torture something of use out of them?

Jeez...what a ridiculous thought...to return these people back to their country of origin, since we can't even make anything up about them to convince our own military commisions of possible concerns?

Let's see, which laughing guy should be inserted here? :shrug:
 

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My fav part dos is the fact that the administration is laying this at the feet of the genius's of our Congress. Naturally you are correct in saying that all these "prisoners", "captives", whathaveyou, are totally innocent and should be released IMMEDIATEDELY. But in the unbelievable chance that one or twenty or 50 are rotten POS to begin with and will be involved in some future act of aggression on innocents AGAIN, the Prez's hands are clean. But, like you said, they're innocent people being wrongly made captives of this evil administration.

All of those involved in their capture and detainment have nothing but evil intentions and have been totally wrong from the start.:mj07:
 

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My fav part dos is the fact that the administration is laying this at the feet of the genius's of our Congress. Naturally you are correct in saying that all these "prisoners", "captives", whathaveyou, are totally innocent and should be released IMMEDIATEDELY. But in the unbelievable chance that one or twenty or 50 are rotten POS to begin with and will be involved in some future act of aggression on innocents AGAIN, the Prez's hands are clean. But, like you said, they're innocent people being wrongly made captives of this evil administration.

All of those involved in their capture and detainment have nothing but evil intentions and have been totally wrong from the start.:mj07:


the problem we have is that some don't believe we are in a war & think the thugs at guantanamo are criminals, while others think that they are prisoners of war....i am with the latter.
 

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the problem we have is that some don't believe we are in a war & think the thugs at guantanamo are criminals, while others think that they are prisoners of war....i am with the latter.

Congress will have the proper answer :mj07:

None of the professionals that have dealt with this entire situation know anything. But Congress does. You go Nancy. :mj07:

Fk it. Chad is right

just let them all go
 

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Problem was/is we sat on this to long. If they know forsure they should not be there. Why are they? If they belong in prison. Put them in prison and not together. Tell guards to look other way as they do now. And other prisoners will take care of your problem. And if you don't think these things happen everyyday in our prisons. Well!! think again.
 

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This is my favorite part. The administration tells us (and we know them to be honorable and honest, right?) that these guys are dangerous, but they have a lack of evidence to even try to bring them to trial? They have enough on many of the others, but nothing of substance with these people - after all these years? They couldn't even torture something of use out of them?

Jeez...what a ridiculous thought...to return these people back to their country of origin, since we can't even make anything up about them to convince our own military commisions of possible concerns?

Let's see, which laughing guy should be inserted here? :shrug:

Lack of evidence and admissibility of evidence are 2 different things, Chadman.

I agree with AR, these are POWs, not common criminals.
 

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My fav part dos is the fact that the administration is laying this at the feet of the genius's of our Congress. Naturally you are correct in saying that all these "prisoners", "captives", whathaveyou, are totally innocent and should be released IMMEDIATEDELY. But in the unbelievable chance that one or twenty or 50 are rotten POS to begin with and will be involved in some future act of aggression on innocents AGAIN, the Prez's hands are clean. But, like you said, they're innocent people being wrongly made captives of this evil administration.

All of those involved in their capture and detainment have nothing but evil intentions and have been totally wrong from the start.:mj07:

Witty, intelligent, insightful. Another quality post by IO, resident "deap" thinker.
 

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Congress will have the proper answer :mj07:

None of the professionals that have dealt with this entire situation know anything. But Congress does. You go Nancy. :mj07:

Fk it. Chad is right

just let them all go

Hey IO, I just reported to the authorities that you are a terrorist. They are on their way. You won't see a judge, or be charged with anything, but your ass will be interogated and locked up for years and years and years. Good fvcking luck to you.
 

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yeah

just let them ALL go free

So, you are so full of your own opinions that you just want to post and repost on the same thing. Way to go...:thumb:

I didn't say let them all go free, but whatever. I said unless something can be proven after years of trying - even forcing them to try to say something that you construct for them - then I'd say our country is wrong to hold them for the rest of their lives. I don't pretend to know about all of these people, but evidently there is nothing to be shown that they are "holdable." We have read plenty of stories about people turning over people for a $5K bounty from us, with nothing more to go on other than they bring them in and hand them over, take their cash, and go out looking for the next dude to get them $5K more.

I personally think our country stands for more than that, and is what makes our country stand above others. These are not that many people, in the big picture, and we can't prove they have any responsibility or guilt - AFTER ALL THIS TIME. To each their own. I think it's great we have captured those we can prove a threat, or even determined they might be a threat. Don't let them go, and I don't really care much what is done to them. But the ones we can't even make up a story about? And we are the honorable country, standing for freedom?
 

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Well the bottom line may be what will Congress (if given the opp) do?

Also Chadman, it's really starting to break my heart that you and crank don't like the way I post or what I post.

btw

see the signature line

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thanks crank
 

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I/O, for the most part, we've gone down this road before, and have gotten through it. I know you don't care for my opinions, generally, and that's fine. This issue was fine, your opinion is probably more safe than sorry, and I understand that side of the fence. Just thought I'd post in response, since you made it more sensational, with a follow up to your own post - no big deal. In the lawyers one, I didn't care for you calling out my opinion, and making light of my referencing the wife, but whatever. You talked about my chasing Wayne's posts around here...I guess I'm noticing the same thing in you with me, my last few posts. I probably just rankle your chain some of late with my angles.

Since my lawyers post was a little more personal, I probably took offense to the retort more than usual. Cheers.
 

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NPR (Fresh Air) had an interview 7/22/08 with ret US soldier Lt John Nagl. If you can come across it, it's a good listen.

He's now with the think tank, "Center For A New American Security".
 
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