To the war protester's,justify this please

[michaeljbird]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2003/03/24/son_of_saddam/

Please read this article by Don Yeager.It makes me want to vomit.I pray for our troops,and the USA.I thank God for allow me to be born in this great country.I support our President 100% for the cause and mission he is on for the good of the USA and ALL MANKIND.

 

[dr. freeze]

i dont think it is a reach to refer to these people as animal....

that in fact is a compliment to Uday Hussein....

hopefully the bastard met his match when he went face to face with M.O.A.B.

 

[Iminforabuck]

The number of people that Udick and daddy have done this to is in the millions.....and most of em arent alive to tell a reporter about it.

Great article

 

[theGibber1]

great article

 

[AR182]

I read this article earlier today & tried a copy & paste. But was told the article was too long & I didn't know how to break it into two posts.

The only word that I can think of in describing this is disgusting, but even this word isn't adequate. It is unbelievabe!

I guess he wanted to make his father proud.

 

[ozball]

Absolutely agree with you. Uday is a pr!ck, and should be tried and strung up for crimes against humanity.

Killing tens of thousands Iraqi conscripts and numerous allied soldiers is still not the way to achieve it, though. creating a further sea of victims, who will remember USA, not Uday as their oppressor is not an answer.

I'm sounding like a broken record on here, and for that I apologize, just trying to present another viewpoint.

ozball

 

[theGibber1]

maybe we should just ask uday and saddam to just come out so we can punish them... maybe if we say PLEASE!!

PRETTY PLEASE WITH SUGAR ON TOP..

then maybe theyll give up and then we can punish them for their crimes against humanity:shrug:

 

[ozball]

Gibber,

Robert Mugabe has committed many such crimes...when is CNN showing "Attack on Zimbabwe?". Using the moral high ground is fine if you follow through where there is no economic advantage.

The US has supported evil, bloodthirsty dictators in the past (including Hussein during the gassing).

War is simply not worth the cost here...

ozball

 

[AR182]

Ozball,

Can you give me a few examples in history that has shown that dictators understand anything but war?

If you don't believe that war is the right solution, then how would you handle this situation?

Also as of this afternoon, the int'l. red cross is reporting that with all of the bombing that took place in baghdad, only one civilian has died with about 40 injuies.

 

[hellah10]

well there is no justifying with this Olympic stuff...simple as that.

BUT - ozball makes good points about other leaders being more brutal just like Robert Mugabe. And I doubt you`ll ever see that on CNN....

 

[ssd]

Ozball-
I'm not buying the economic advantage angle. We will spend 75 billion on this war. 75 billion and I bet it goes higher (and who says no one talks about betting in the General Forum anymore!)
France, Germany, Russia and China had more economic reasons to try and prevent this war than we had for going into it. Do the math. Do you really think the US will get control of the oil wells? What would the exploration, drilling, pipeline building, transportation, refining, etc cost us even if we did?
The advantages to this war: freeing an oppresses people, removing a threat to America and its citizens, establishing a beacon of democracy and hopefully stability in an otherwise unstable area of the world. Call me an idealist. I'm sure there are other, not so heroic reasons for this conflict. Maybe we're trying to get a foothold over there so we can easily attack Iran or Syria. Maybe we just wanted to try out all our new toys. I doubt these are the reasons but go ahead and throw them out there.
The Hussein regime is sick. From the top on down. It is time to change it.

 

[ferdville]

There have been ample reports about the continued atrocities perpetrated by Mugabe and his appointed thugs. As far as human rights violations go, Mugabe is way up there. As far as being a danger to the United States, he is hardly a blip on the radar screen. As much as I would like to see him get his just desserts, we have bigger fish to fry here and other places that are potential threats to us. I wonder why the United Nations has been rather silent on this situation - well, actually I don't wonder why this impotent organization has done little or nothing.

 

[ozball]

SSD,

absolutely agree Hussein regime is sick and "evil". Do not buy that freeing an opressed people is the driving force behind this war.

You are also correct that direct, immediate economic benefits are not likely, given the immense cost of this techno-war. I see the result of the conflict being an all round disaster...in humanitarian terms, economic terms (for the US as well as the world) and in geopolitical terms.

I think G Bush and his administration painted themselves into a corner, and had no face saving exit, other than a quick war with minimal casualties. Now that they have forced the issue, and a quick war is in some doubt, there is no exit except a very probably disastrous one.

Time for a future thought experiment...Imagine, the year 2004, Iraq has a monitored free general election...a Party runs for power and wins (perhaps the Baath patry, in a different form), with an election platform that ejects all foreign (American) oil companies, and summarily nationalizes the oil industry, with the overwhelming popular support of the people. Given that the majority of Iraqi families will have lost loved ones to the US military actions, this is not that far fetched. How keen will the future administration be to champion the "will of the Iraqi people" and support their democratic rights...

AR182...I don't have any easy answers in dealing with the pr!ckdom of Hussein. War, and taking innocent lives is not the answer, though. How many poor bastard Iraqi conscripts have died so far in only the south of the country?

What kind of country would you have if the answer to the OJ Simpson case was to send a hit squad to finally achieve justice in that case, where the courts couldn't seem to? This war smacks of vigilanteism with the disregard for international law.

thinking deeply

ozball

 

[hellah10]

nice post ozball

 

[AR182]

Ozball,

Oh, you mean the international law that everyone follows. How come you don't say anything when russia, france & china don't follow int'l law? Or is just the US not following int'l. law that bothers you? And btw, what law did the US not follow ? It seems to me that them & their allies are the only ones following int'l. law, by enforcing the un sanctions that saddam & his thugs have not adhere to.

Again I ask you can you give me a few examples where diplomacy worked with dictators? Did it work with hitler? About musolini? Did it work with milosevic? Do you want more?
It seems to me that all the naysayers can do is criticize this action, but can never come up with any alternatives.Real positive thinkers. I am waiting for you to say that more inspectors should be called in, so saddam can dance them around even more.The only thing more inspectors would accomplish is that more people will learn the saddam two step.

And btw, have you ever seen a war where a country is taking extra steps to try not to kill innocent people ? Or have you ever seen a country that after a battle sends the losing soldiers home?
The answer is no. But keep criticizing the US, its convenient.

 

[Iminforabuck]

Xcellent post AR

 

[michaeljbird]

Correct me if I'm wrong,but was there ever really an end to the Gulf War?I was under the impression that we would pull out before IF Saddam would come clean and destroy all his WMD.Are we not maintaining that he has not?Isn't that what this is all about?I also thought we were there to end the oppression of the Iraqi people,as well as anyone Saddam has and is terrorizing.Did we not claim "War on Terrorisim" after 911.I'm trying to figure out why anyone is even debating what we are doing there.Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between Saddam and Hitler. In reading the article I posted to start this thread and the video I saw from Al-Jezeer,is there any doubt what we are dealing with here? I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion,but please back it up with fact's AND a viable alternative..................PLEASE!!!

 

[TheItalianguy]

To all in favor of war:

I am an italian citizen living in washington, dc and working temporarly in bangkok. saddam hussein is probably as evil as you describe him and more. I just see that the only people who keep dying since last week are not hussein or president bush just hundreds of poor civilians or Iraqi, US, and British soldiers who are probably as innocent and are there just because somebody ordered them too. This is the great solution in the mind of your great president. Let's count the dead at the end of this war and we'll see. Solution to what? the biochemical weapons? so you are telling me, somebody will die because of this weapons and it might as well be iraqi soldiers and civilians rather than americans in some sky scraper or city (and keep in mind that live in the US too). Is that the great solution? well, what a great politician! why do you count how many children of Congressmen and president are fighting this war?
Truth is, it is an illegal act against the United Nations, against the world community, against the world's opinion.

I am italian, I talk to my friends in italy, i read european newspapers, am in bangkok now for a couple of months and i am telling you that you just have not an idea, not an idea i swear, of the amount of hate people all around have for Americans. it makes me sad, and makes me cry but think for a minute please i beg you. Think that if all this people are against this war and hate America for it. Can they all be wrong? can they all be evil and the Us government are the only good guys?
what if one day soon, maybe evn today, people will keep this hate for America and you won't even be able to travel anywhere. is that the great freedom your president promised you? How would you be more free than an Iraqi under hussein? The damage Bush is doing to the image of the US in the world is unbelievable and remember war is a never, never, a SOLUTION to any problem.

 

[dr. freeze]

what was the solution to Hitler then?

 

[neverteaseit]

Join him that's what the italians did.

Of course we are the only evil country in the world. World opinion is just that world opinion. Once iraq is freed and Iraqi's talk of what this man has done to his people maybe the world will have a differnet opinion then but somehow I doubt it.