Pretty sure this is how pro level football is to be played.
Every one else is falling behind.
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Every one else is falling behind.
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Today, Manning threw a 78% completion with 414 yards.
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Manning is a brilliant regular season qb with an enormous resource of weapons. Hopefully, he doesn't choke in the postseason, where he has been a pedestrian qb to this point.
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pe?des?tri?an [ pə d?stree ən ]
dull: ordinary, unimaginative, or uninspired
Can we just stop railing on the guy already? Amazing how people still find faults with great things. He has the tenth best post-season quarterback rating in history! TENTH. Oh yea, above players like:
Tom Brady
Troy Aikman
Steve Young
Dan Marino
John Elway
Are those guys pedestrian too? While quarterbacking is by far the most important position on the field, it takes a lot more than that to win!
I think Peyton is probably the furthest thing from "pedestrian" that the league has ever seen.
No offense to Bronco fans, but his mid-80s passer rating and 9-11 record in the post season seem pedestrian to me. He is a New Orleanian, so I find myself rooting for him to win (yesterday included!), unless he is facing the Saints. Once he picks it up in the post season, I will eagerly promote him as the stud that Denver and Indy fans know him as today :toast:
By the way, I had no idea that his passer rating was 10th best of all time. Goes to show how my perception of him in the post season is adversely affected by the repeated early exits, and maybe a little bit by the pick 6 he threw in '09 to seal the Saints Super Bowl victory.
Geaux Peyton. Here is to a 16-0 campaign:toast:
Geaux Peyton. Here is to a 16-0 campaign:toast:
NFL Career Playoffs Passer Rating Leaders
1. Bart Starr+ 104.8 1956-1971 gnb
2. Drew Brees (33) 103.9 2001-2012 2TM :00hour
3. Aaron Rodgers (29) 103.6 2005-2012 gnb
4. Kurt Warner 102.8 1998-2009 2TM
5. Joe Montana+ 95.6 1979-1994 2TM A poor man's Brees:shrug: J/k:SIB
6. Mark Sanchez (26) 94.3 2009-2012 nyj :scared
7. Ken Anderson 93.5 1971-1986 cin
8. Joe Theismann 91.4 1974-1985 was
9. Eli Manning (31) 89.3 2004-2012 nyg
10. Peyton Manning (36) 88.4 1998-2012 2TM
11. Troy Aikman+ 88.3 1989-2000 dal
12. Tom Brady (35) 87.4 2000-2012 nwe
13. Brett Favre 86.3 1991-2010 2TM
14. Joe Flacco (27) 86.2 2008-2012 rav
15. Steve Young+ 85.8 1985-1999 sfo
16. Matt Ryan (27) 85.2 2008-2012 atl
17. Warren Moon+ 84.9 1984-2000 2TM
18. Rich Gannon 84.6 1987-2004 3TM
19. Matt Hasselbeck (37) 84.4 1999-2012 sea
20. Ken Stabler 84.2 1970-1984 2TM
21. Ben Roethlisberger (30) 83.7 2004-2012 pit
22. Bernie Kosar 83.5 1985-1996 3TM
23. Jake Delhomme 83.3 1999-2011 car
24. Terry Bradshaw+ 83.0 1970-1983 pit
25. Jim Plunkett 81.9 1971-1986 rai
26. Vinny Testaverde 81.0 1987-2007 3TM
27. Donovan McNabb 80.0 1999-2011 phi
28. John Elway+ 79.7 1983-1998 den I claim him to be the most overrated QB of all time:facepalm:
1. Bart Starr+ 104.8 1956-1971 gnb
2. Drew Brees (33) 103.9 2001-2012 2TM :00hour
3. Aaron Rodgers (29) 103.6 2005-2012 gnb
4. Kurt Warner 102.8 1998-2009 2TM
5. Joe Montana+ 95.6 1979-1994 2TM A poor man's Brees:shrug: J/k:SIB
6. Mark Sanchez (26) 94.3 2009-2012 nyj :scared
7. Ken Anderson 93.5 1971-1986 cin
8. Joe Theismann 91.4 1974-1985 was
9. Eli Manning (31) 89.3 2004-2012 nyg
10. Peyton Manning (36) 88.4 1998-2012 2TM
11. Troy Aikman+ 88.3 1989-2000 dal
12. Tom Brady (35) 87.4 2000-2012 nwe
13. Brett Favre 86.3 1991-2010 2TM
14. Joe Flacco (27) 86.2 2008-2012 rav
15. Steve Young+ 85.8 1985-1999 sfo
16. Matt Ryan (27) 85.2 2008-2012 atl
17. Warren Moon+ 84.9 1984-2000 2TM
18. Rich Gannon 84.6 1987-2004 3TM
19. Matt Hasselbeck (37) 84.4 1999-2012 sea
20. Ken Stabler 84.2 1970-1984 2TM
21. Ben Roethlisberger (30) 83.7 2004-2012 pit
22. Bernie Kosar 83.5 1985-1996 3TM
23. Jake Delhomme 83.3 1999-2011 car
24. Terry Bradshaw+ 83.0 1970-1983 pit
25. Jim Plunkett 81.9 1971-1986 rai
26. Vinny Testaverde 81.0 1987-2007 3TM
27. Donovan McNabb 80.0 1999-2011 phi
28. John Elway+ 79.7 1983-1998 den I claim him to be the most overrated QB of all time:facepalm:
Exactly. However, you may be wasting your time, HH. People get it into their heads that a player is bad in crunch time, and they won't change their minds unless the player beats them over their heads with his brilliance.
I am sure that even if Peyton wins the Super Bowl this year, there will still be people saying that he is a poor postseason player. That despite the fact he will be 2/3 in Super Bowl's if he wins this year.
Listen to Peyton's postgame quotes from yesterday and you will know the difference between he and the rest of us. After scoring 51 and winning on the road, he finds it difficult to get excited about the Bronco's performance.....lol
Gotta love it. He takes driven to all new heights! For some reason, that has only translated to 9-11 in the playoffs. Go figure
Gotta love it. He takes driven to all new heights! For some reason, that has only translated to 9-11 in the playoffs. Go figure
This is true. For us ordinary Joe's, it can difficult to break the perceptions we form. Case in point, I assumed that Peyton's passer rating in the postseason was well below Brady! I'd have never guessed otherwise.....
Personally, I feel that Payton only reaching 2 Super Bowls to this point in his career is a strike against him. His teams in Indy were LOADED, or at least that is my perception, which we have already discussed can be difficult to overcome.
Not kidding, you need to listen to his postgame comments. The dude has a one track mindset. Never too high. Never too low. All business. Hard not to root for him:toast:
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I'm not taking offense as a Broncos fan, but I just think that we should clear up the actual facts and statistic vs. fan/media perception. So he lost four playoff games in cold weather. Is that really a good indication of his ability to play in cold weather, or could it be that four games is not a big enough sample size?
Consider Peyton's career stats:
Career stats in games under 40 degrees:
400-603 (66.3% completion rate), 4777 yards, 35 TDS, 19 INT (96.6 QB rating)
Last six seasons stats in games under 40 degrees:
273-385 (70.9% completion rate), for 3356 yards, 28 TDS, 14 INT (106.6 QB rating)
Those are pretty solid numbers. I'm a fan of greatness. I love Drew Brees, I love Kobe Bryant, I love anyone who is just freakin' great. I don't try to pick apart their greatness - well, Kobe did turn the ball over once in a big playoff game, so he must not be clutch, or whatever, which is just what I feel like people on here are trying to do. Reaching. The guy is great, like Hash says - can't we just enjoy what we are seeing?
History.
Cheers
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By the way, Cie - at this point in the season, I think the Saints look like the better TEAM than Denver, but... what Peyton is doing offensively is still really amazing. Now, their defense...
I don't know about that. I'd take Peyton over the Saints on a neutral field, especially once Von comes back. Cutler is easily rattled, Ryan was down Roddy White in game 1, Miami had misfortune of facing the Saints in the Dome on MNF, and the rest of the Saints foes are offensive on offense. We shall see what the Saints D does going forward. Maybe I am still shell-shocked by last season's historically bad defensive effort, but I'm only cautiously aboard the Rob Ryan express at the moment. :toast:
Something else of note, it hasn't been mentioned all that often in these seemingly weekly Manning is greatness personified threads, but he has put together this string of unheard of excellence despite the loss of multiple offensive linemen to injury. Pretty sick when you think about it.
