ohio is an improved team, but after their heart breaking loss to marshall on saturday, the last thing they need is to go on the road and face this toledo machine right now. my suggestion? hop on toledo now and dump it off at +15 or +16 later in the week if you dont want it because this line is only gonna go up. toledo is a damn juggernaut right now. they coulda scored 80 on wmu if they didnt call the dogs off midway through the 3rd. at very worst, this opening line offers a great chance for a key # to open up for a middle later in the week.
toledo (-13.5) vs. ohio u....
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a few other thoughts after glancing at the opening #s:
has mike price made this much of a difference at utep? theyve played great vs boise and fresno in big dog roles, but does that justify them laying chalk? that line really surprised me. hawaii is terrible on the mainland so not jumping to back the bows, just surprised by the line
really surprised by the fsu line as well, being so low. this game seems like it could be a carbon copy of minnesota/michigan. one team is a perennial conference power playing at home in a somewhat down year against a team trying to prove theyre for real. tough not to like the noles though
has mike price made this much of a difference at utep? theyve played great vs boise and fresno in big dog roles, but does that justify them laying chalk? that line really surprised me. hawaii is terrible on the mainland so not jumping to back the bows, just surprised by the line
really surprised by the fsu line as well, being so low. this game seems like it could be a carbon copy of minnesota/michigan. one team is a perennial conference power playing at home in a somewhat down year against a team trying to prove theyre for real. tough not to like the noles though
and dammit it central michigan doesnt look incredibly tempting again, lol. chips shut down bg's running game, they just couldnt stop jacobs and the passing game. their secondary is where theyre vulnerable. i dont think niu can exploit their weakness there. and the cmu offense is moving the ball really well. saw master capper circled cmu with his early looks as well, so maybe im not crazy.
didn`t you think minny-7 vs a mediocre mich st team is a little light?....i know that was a tough loss last week,but minny`s offense is way to physical for this bunch....
was also looking at iowa+ at home(sorry g),stanford+ vs wash st and even looked at texas -14 vs an overrated missou club...texas will either be down,or be very pissed...
minny -7 looks solid.....i`m gonna touch the rockets.....maybe overplay it a bit and look for that middle opportunity......an excellent idea.....
was also looking at iowa+ at home(sorry g),stanford+ vs wash st and even looked at texas -14 vs an overrated missou club...texas will either be down,or be very pissed...
minny -7 looks solid.....i`m gonna touch the rockets.....maybe overplay it a bit and look for that middle opportunity......an excellent idea.....
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weasel:
i hate everything about ohio state and columbus, so no need to apologize. ive never had any allegiance to 'em in any sport. as far as that game goes - how can ohio state be laying ANYTHING right now on the road? they cant score or move the ball consistently.
as far as minny goes, thats more a psychological test than anything else. im sure that michigan game was circled on the team calendar all offseason and through the early part of this year. that loss was crushing, especially since they played a pretty clean game and probably should have won outright in the big house. minny strikes me as an emotionally fragile bunch. i like mason as a coach but he should be getting more out of them. on paper, theyre far better than msu. but ive seen good teams fail before in this kind of spot (laying points on the road after a crushing loss).
i could be wrong (youll have to ask sun tzu, as he is an encyclopedia of horns knowledge) but i thought i remember him saying one time that texas has always done well in the week following the oklahoma game. regardless, i think youre right about mizzou. not as good as some think.
looking forward to your posts and info this week. and nice comeback for your ravens. wasnt pretty, but its still a W
i hate everything about ohio state and columbus, so no need to apologize. ive never had any allegiance to 'em in any sport. as far as that game goes - how can ohio state be laying ANYTHING right now on the road? they cant score or move the ball consistently.
as far as minny goes, thats more a psychological test than anything else. im sure that michigan game was circled on the team calendar all offseason and through the early part of this year. that loss was crushing, especially since they played a pretty clean game and probably should have won outright in the big house. minny strikes me as an emotionally fragile bunch. i like mason as a coach but he should be getting more out of them. on paper, theyre far better than msu. but ive seen good teams fail before in this kind of spot (laying points on the road after a crushing loss).
i could be wrong (youll have to ask sun tzu, as he is an encyclopedia of horns knowledge) but i thought i remember him saying one time that texas has always done well in the week following the oklahoma game. regardless, i think youre right about mizzou. not as good as some think.
looking forward to your posts and info this week. and nice comeback for your ravens. wasnt pretty, but its still a W
i`m a little emotionally fragile myself after n.ill. and today`s seattle game....lol...
if i recall seeing your pro post today,you had a decent set.........despite having a bit of a down weekend,i get no satisfaction from seeing the good guys have bad days...very glad you had a profitable day.........
g.l. next week...
if i recall seeing your pro post today,you had a decent set.........despite having a bit of a down weekend,i get no satisfaction from seeing the good guys have bad days...very glad you had a profitable day.........
g.l. next week...
games that really stand out as value and bounce games galore. Looking at Duke +21, Baylor + 21-, Vandy + 24 Texas Am +8, Ariz St. +13, ucla and Cal. Over whatever, lol, Wisc.+7, and I absolutely love Utep laying 3, I'm going to bet it now!!!!!!!!! now i have'nt researched these yet, but will cap and review these games tomorrow when the smart money plays big and possibly middle a few games like that toledo game and that game does standout like you said.
Friends don't let friends bet Chipewas,...just say no to swiss cheese defense,...admit your Chipewa problem now before you waste anymore money on these clowns,...denial is not a river in Egypt
G
Dont be afraid of playing utep it does seem like the oddsmakers have caught up to them but their still a strong play against hawaii
Also in the Fla st virginia game i think the under is a strong play there. 2 solid Defenses will battle and decide the game. I really dont see it getting into the 40's
Dont be afraid of playing utep it does seem like the oddsmakers have caught up to them but their still a strong play against hawaii
Also in the Fla st virginia game i think the under is a strong play there. 2 solid Defenses will battle and decide the game. I really dont see it getting into the 40's
hate to say it, but it looks too damn easy and I 'm already down . Probably also going with the Flashes catching a big number at home. Take a look at that one??
Gman
with regards to the rainbow warriors....
I follow them a lot and watch almost every home game, saying that this team is not as good as they have appeared in the last two games. Traveling to Hawaii is difficult and starting the game at 12 eastern is very hard for a lot of teams. Thats why when they travel they often do not play well. Most of Hawaii's big plays come toward the second half, when the other team is half asleep. UTEP is believing in price's system so it is a no play for me, maybe later in the week I'll re-look at it but I will continue to pop-into your thread to see what you think. Best of luck, thanks for the heads up on that MAC game...always like it when you and Spang agree normally means $$.
GL
Irish
with regards to the rainbow warriors....
I follow them a lot and watch almost every home game, saying that this team is not as good as they have appeared in the last two games. Traveling to Hawaii is difficult and starting the game at 12 eastern is very hard for a lot of teams. Thats why when they travel they often do not play well. Most of Hawaii's big plays come toward the second half, when the other team is half asleep. UTEP is believing in price's system so it is a no play for me, maybe later in the week I'll re-look at it but I will continue to pop-into your thread to see what you think. Best of luck, thanks for the heads up on that MAC game...always like it when you and Spang agree normally means $$.
GL
Irish
OU/Toledo
OU/Toledo
OU's D has been playing very good the last couple of weeks with their best player playing very hurt last week held Marshall in check. However, you're right about them being spent. Throw in the fact that their O really struggles, Toledo should roll and that line will be 17 by Saturday. One last point is Miami O's diverse O gave OU all kind of problems and Toledo will have the best O by far OU has faced this year. Hate to go against the gritty Cats, but you have something here. Depending on who Toledo plays next week, the over might be worth a look as well. Good thread other than the part about Columbus. :moon:
OU/Toledo
OU's D has been playing very good the last couple of weeks with their best player playing very hurt last week held Marshall in check. However, you're right about them being spent. Throw in the fact that their O really struggles, Toledo should roll and that line will be 17 by Saturday. One last point is Miami O's diverse O gave OU all kind of problems and Toledo will have the best O by far OU has faced this year. Hate to go against the gritty Cats, but you have something here. Depending on who Toledo plays next week, the over might be worth a look as well. Good thread other than the part about Columbus. :moon:
gman,
Love reading your posts and certainly your take on the home state action, but I took one look at this line and was completely freaked out. I thought TOL would OPEN at 17 not be bet up to it especially when you consider their performance since the opening road trip.
Not trying to read to much into this but for a team that just threw up 59, 52, 45, 42 over the last 4 weeks, I certainly thought they would be favored significantly higher than a comparable MAR line would have been had they been at home last week (9 on the road to like 13-14 at home).
Side note (and perhaps totally irrelevant): Has Toledo played a game this early yet? Seems like all of their games have been at night
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Pistol
Love reading your posts and certainly your take on the home state action, but I took one look at this line and was completely freaked out. I thought TOL would OPEN at 17 not be bet up to it especially when you consider their performance since the opening road trip.
Not trying to read to much into this but for a team that just threw up 59, 52, 45, 42 over the last 4 weeks, I certainly thought they would be favored significantly higher than a comparable MAR line would have been had they been at home last week (9 on the road to like 13-14 at home).
Side note (and perhaps totally irrelevant): Has Toledo played a game this early yet? Seems like all of their games have been at night
Thoughts?
Thanks,
Pistol
pistol:
i cant say im completely surprised at the relatively low line because keep in mind, ohio almost won outright in back to back weeks as double digit dogs in kentucky (won outright) and then at home vs marshall (should have won outright as a 9/9.5 pt dog). and they played admirably on the road against pittsburgh (but as weve come to find out, pitt is garbage). one thing also to keep in mind is exactly what unicorn said -- ohio has faced only one good offensive team this season (miami) and they couldnt stop them. bobcats are improved, but how much do they have left in the tank after a gritty win on the road in kentucky and then an emotional loss on the potential game-tying FG vs marshall? this is the wrong time for them to be facing toledo.
you bring up an interesting point about the early start time. it was originally a 7pm game but once espn picked it up and put it on national TV, the game became a noon kickoff. toledo has played all night games this year. time will tell if that is any factor. but toledo is playing so well right now that they could score 50 or 60 pts right now in the middle of a night and half-sleeping, lol.
i cant say im completely surprised at the relatively low line because keep in mind, ohio almost won outright in back to back weeks as double digit dogs in kentucky (won outright) and then at home vs marshall (should have won outright as a 9/9.5 pt dog). and they played admirably on the road against pittsburgh (but as weve come to find out, pitt is garbage). one thing also to keep in mind is exactly what unicorn said -- ohio has faced only one good offensive team this season (miami) and they couldnt stop them. bobcats are improved, but how much do they have left in the tank after a gritty win on the road in kentucky and then an emotional loss on the potential game-tying FG vs marshall? this is the wrong time for them to be facing toledo.
you bring up an interesting point about the early start time. it was originally a 7pm game but once espn picked it up and put it on national TV, the game became a noon kickoff. toledo has played all night games this year. time will tell if that is any factor. but toledo is playing so well right now that they could score 50 or 60 pts right now in the middle of a night and half-sleeping, lol.
Unicorns point is well-taken. On the flipside, I think this will be the best D TOL has faced at least in the last 4 weeks.
But even with that said, you do have a great point about being out of gas. If the KY win wasnt enough, I would tend to agree that a brutal tough loss to MAR coupled with this being their 7th game in a row and 4th in six weeks on the road would have to make TOL the play.
Thank gman and the rest of the thread. Great stuff as usual
Pistol
But even with that said, you do have a great point about being out of gas. If the KY win wasnt enough, I would tend to agree that a brutal tough loss to MAR coupled with this being their 7th game in a row and 4th in six weeks on the road would have to make TOL the play.
Thank gman and the rest of the thread. Great stuff as usual
Pistol
