Tommy Franks 'The Good Bush Soldier"

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It was in Woodwards book that Franks went nuts when they ordered him to come up with a plan on Iraq when they were just getting their feet wet in Afghanistan. A detailed plan on the war on terror that Bush flat out ignored. The plan included Yemen and Somalia to Alqaeda hot beds.
Tommy Franks new how to fight the war on terror, and disagreed strongly with Bush Cheney and Dumsfeld, now he comes out at the Rnc and blows smoke up the countrys ass.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...05/ap_on_go_co/graham_franks&cid=512&ncid=716
 

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he also was on Fox couple nights back and interviewer asked him about Vietnam. He was asked did he see or hear about ears and heads cut off, his answer YES. did you see or hear women raped? Answer YES. children killed? Answer YES. villages burned? Answer YES. general acts considered atrocities & violations of Geneva Convention? Answer YES.

he confirmed virtually every thing Kerry said about Vietnam, but didn't like the fact that Kerry came out and said that. So basically just don't tell the truth. Although it was fine for him to co sign everything 35 years later.
 

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Shamrock I don't miss Fox often and did search on Franks interviews there and last was Hannity on 9-1 ,about the time frame you suggest, and he was asked those questions but never said such a thing---Here is interview--maybe there is another and I would like to see it if anyone can find it.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,131123,00.html

HANNITY: That his four months of service, you have 64 guys on the record in this book, "Unfit for Command," 250 swifties. They with the ads, they are telling their story.

FRANKS: Look, I respect those guys. And I believe that one of the more sacred obligation that any military leader has is to his troops. And so while I don't know what happened during this particular piece of Vietnam, with Senator Kerry, so I don't talk about that, Sean.

What I look at is what has happened since the senator returned to the United States of America. What have we been all about? What has he been for?

And I believe that one of the more sacred things we have is an issue of loyalty. And at the end of the day, George W. Bush has been loyal to not only to me personally, but loyal to both veterans and to those actively serving the United States of America right now. And I have respect for that.

HANNITY: Was John Kerry disloyal when he accused these guys in '71 of all sorts of atrocities?

FRANKS: I don't know. I've weighed that. I've thought about it ? I've thought about it an awful lot. And I think one owes loyalty up all the way to nation. And I believe Senator Kerry has had a view then that he owed that loyalty up. I believe from the perspective of a foxhole soldier that one also owes loyalty down. And I am very sensitive about that. I write about it in my book.

HANNITY: Yes, you do.

FRANKS: This issue of loyalty. And so that's the thing that helps me make my decision.

HANNITY: This really bothers you...

FRANKS: It does, yes.

HANNITY: That '71 testimony.

FRANKS: Yes, it does.

HANNITY: You know, you served in Vietnam, and you have led a lot of boys into battle.

FRANKS: Yes.

HANNITY: If one of these boys ever admitted that they had, quote, in their own words, committed atrocities, if they have ever admitted they violated the Geneva Convention, or if they have ever admitted they burned down villages of people, do the American people need an explanation for what John Kerry has admitted?

FRANKS: I think it's one thing, Sean, I think it's one thing to admit something that I did, or that you may have done, or that Senator Kerry did. That's one thing. It's entirely a different issue, however, to talk about the things that subordinates and associates did.

That then talks to this issue of loyalty that I'm talking about, and I'm not suggesting that we ought to ever cover up anything. That's not my point. But it has to do with what we perceive to be our obligation to those with whom we serve and I'm serious about that.

HANNITY: You're more concerned about what he said about others than about himself?

FRANKS: Absolutely. That's absolutely correct.
 
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Shammy- I didn't see the interview, but if Franks saw all that and did nothing then he is as guilty as the perps. I value your posts, but not this time as I see it as painting all who served in Viet Nam as rapists, killers, etc.
What about those that served honorably? Wonder if this includes McClain?- Aw screw it. All those honorable Vets who were spit on and called baby-killers had it coming I guess. Lots of things I don't like about Bush, but guess Kerry would have/will fix everything. If you wonder why I'm voting for Bush I'll attach the link@ the end.
I don't mind honest disagreement or discourse, but ppl like I LOVE WR should slink back to whatever sister-f*cking corner of the universe they came from. (Human motivation is by no means simple to understand, but psychological studies have shed some light on this new wave of antisocial behavior. To begin with, the "troll" is undoubtedly angry. The root of the anger is most likely unfulfilled needs and/or psychological problems and/or jealousy. Despite what the "troll" or "flamer" has written, you are not the cause of his or her frustration. He or she is hoping you will take their words personally, but to do so would be foolish on your part. Most likely, the "troll" lacks the courage to speak his mind in person. He's probably timid around his teachers or his boss, and is seeking to compensate for this. What provides him the "courage" to make his attacks is anonymity. It's not pleasant to think about, but that is how some humans behave when their identity is secret. There are people living among us who would love to have the courage to say rude things to our faces. The Internet allows them to vent their aggressions in anonymity.)
Hope your right about Kerry and especially if he gets in office. You may hate Bush-no pun intendeed- but how would limp-dick Kerry & the malpractice lawyer handles things...Oh I forgot-its our fault that the Muslims hate us, or maybe we can start a dialogue, open new schools, :cursin:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse705.xml

P.S.- WR: no need to be so edgy, whether either liberals or conservatives win, the Canadien hairdressing profession is safe.
 

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dogs, did you see this interview? This is indeed the interview, I firmly believe that this following paragraph was edited.

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HANNITY: If one of these boys ever admitted that they had, quote, in their own words, committed atrocities, if they have ever admitted they violated the Geneva Convention, or if they have ever admitted they burned down villages of people, do the American people need an explanation for what John Kerry has admitted?

I don't believe it was one long sentence, Franks was answering every question in the particular sentence. Is there streaming video of this interview? I sincerely doubt I am wrong, but would like to go back to check, because I believe that printed version is edited.

Chan, I have no idea what your speaking of, let I've never said anything about all veterans being baby killers, contrary I said frequently I look up to and Honor all veterans, have said this numerous times ask dogs.

I saw this interview, it was late, I could be mistaken, but I seriously doubt it. I really think that paragraph was edited. If there is video of it, and I'm mistaken, I'll be first to it that admit I was wrong. It was during the convention.
 

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Sorry Shammy, I know you are one of the good guys. I just thought you were saying that most soldiers knew about or participated in War Time Atrocities. As I mentioned before, we have rapes, killings, etc. here in the US, but that does not mean our country is full of criminals. Maybe Franks did not say Americans were all at fault but Kerry did. Thats why there are Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

And I shouldn't have called Kerry a Limp-dick, but you can read for yourself wht we are up against. We need more like you Shammy- I just have trouble sometimes w/the blame us for their actions mentality, i.e.:

The full horror of the terrorist attack on Russia has not come out yet. We now have reports that the terrorists or "freedom fighters" as liberals would say, knifed babies multiple times after they ran out of ammo. As you can imagine, the liberal terrorist apologists have come out in full force. This is just sad. And when all else fails blame this on Bush, or even change the subject and use it to bash our own troops. Simply stunning.

What you are about to read is a collection of quotes from liberals that will shock and appall you. It will make your blood boil. So why am I going to make so many of you upset by reading this? Well, I think its important to understand that there are millions of people on this earth who sympathize with terrorists. Keep in mind these are Americans, they walk among us.

Bush responsible for this tragedy

Had Bush not supported Putin and his Nazi regime in their attrocities committed against Chechnya, none of this would've happened.

I hope the media calls Bush on this, and he suffers in the polls.

The Chechen freedom-fighters had no other choice left, given that their homeland was destroyed by the capitalist swine under Putin's fascist regime.

Allahu Akhbar, friends. Light a candle for the innocent children who suffered both in Russia and in Chechnya because of the failed imperialistic policies of Bush and Putin.

Are you sure who did it? What possible advantage could they have gained from it? Just because Putin, former KGB, says so, does not necessarily make it so. The one who gained politically from this is Putin. He is doing the same thing Bush is....stage a terrorist attack and then do what you will to the Chechens....very convenient?

You said neither Bush nor our military hold children hostage...etc. I beg to differ.

How would this benefit the Chechens?? This benefits Putin politically just like 9-11 benefited Bush. Putin is KGB...he knows how to make these things happen and he knows how to finger someone else. He benefited.

An action like this could only hurt the Chechens. Unlikely they would seal their doom this way. Very likely Putin would win support for yet more attacks against them. Who wins?

I'll bet they weren't Muslims at all, or if they were, they were probably an opposing group working for Putin.

All these terrorist attacks that have happened to Russia lately had nothing to do with the Chechens. Just like 9/11 had nothing to do with Bin Ladin. The Russian gov was behind all of it to get sympathy from their people just like shrub did here at home.

This is nothing like Bush or our Military? Where have you been while our troops have been raping and killing innocent people?

the two planes they blew up last week...

the theatre hostage tragedy last year...

lots of passenger trains blown up....

It's an ugly, ugly carnage with lots of blame on both sides....but MOST blame on Russia for starting and perpetuating the whole thing

the Chechens are not just claiming "victimage" in some wimpy, metaphorical sense.....They are and continue to be victims of a real genocide that has reduced the population almost by one half (over 500,000). Sorry, but anything goes.

Exactly. I don't think we are in a position to judge.
Unless our loved ones have been murdered during a senseless war, how can we judge?

Those poor freedom fighters should not be blamed for their actions, they could not help themselves. Kind of like the dali llama and his crew of merry men, I am not surprised that they attacked a school full of kids.

If Russia has shown itself to care nothing about the lives of Chechens, by committing genocide (indeed - "anything goes") and other atrocities, then this act of terrorism is an understandable recourse.

The United States of America is now the most criminal nation on the planet and the biggest threat to its survival, having the nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons capability to totally destroy all life on it several times over.

This is nothing like Bush or our Military? Where have you been while our troops have been raping and killing innocent people?


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Sure didn't see it Shamrock but I thought that would be out of character for Franks and that is why I did search,not that I didn't believe you but that I was curious to see what he said. I didn't see any editing in transcript BUT I have seen times before when edit was not noted. I think he might have possibly made statement that such things like did occur but was exception rather than norm,which I would concur with.
I think you are straight shooter and am positive you would not mislead on purpose but might have misinterpreted what he said on this one.
 

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I wish someone else had witnessed this interview, as I said, I could have made mistake, but I seriously don't think so. Although I consistently watch Fox with CNN & msnbc I don't frequent fox web site that much. I went and look, no video of interview available & the link for transcript said this

Gen. Tommy Franks Endorses Bush - Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - This is a partial transcript from "Hannity & Colmes," that has been edited for clarity...."


I saw this interview transcription above as virtually verbatim, with exception of the paragraph I outlined as possibly edited. Everything looks exactly corrected and the way I remembered it except that passage. Why would Fox have to post "partial transcript" and "edited to provide clarity".??

I am now pretty much positive that interview was edited in the fashion I suggest previously.
 
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