Top 10 reasons I don't believe the official 9/11 story

rusty

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Under a mask.
You cant convince me no way of a gov,t. rig.
Your telling me that the world trade centers were hit by remote control planes((Ive heard that theory) or better yet the gov,t. hired gineau pigs?

Come on!!Same for the Pentagon,dont buy it.
Was the plane headed for the whitehouse hit by a missle!!? Maybe.Unfortunatly,national security comes first.Also why would they take down the WTC's just for losing money in that exterme fashion??
Why wouldnt you just tear them down like so many other buildings are.And dont tell me cause of money.We lost enough during the disaster.

As far as other buildings being hit by debris and pancaked.(WTC7)Odviosly the surrounding area was impacted greatly by the main targets being hit,how could they not be.And yes I saw the pancake theory,and sorry dont by it.The WTC7 was a small wide structure,not a thin small one IMO.

Lastly,did the Gov't try to hide some events surrounding 9/11??Probably,there the Govt,Unfortunatly thats there job.
Why would we as americans put ourselves thru what were going thru today,and yes im talking about the gov.t.,its insane and a crime.

And without bashing anyone who believes the conspirisy theory is a terrorist in my mind!!
 

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Great stuff guys. Don't have time to respond right now as heading out for some games. Will try and get back in later.

About time somebody answered me....
 

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closer to a top 30 but still not the juicy stuff that I woulda picked (once upon a time)

someone help me out on the Norman Mineta testimony--that's the big drawback in my conclusion but doesn't say much either way...in a "fair" (I refuse to define that until I get published...or punished...one of the two) world we would get the testimony of the "young man" that allegedly questioned unknown orders.

That blabbering alone suggests that this mean shiite

cookie bomb

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anyway, not bad for 16 (+/-2.5) beers.

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let's think baseball tomorrow

you're always a day away!!!

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Ummmmm, ok. Can someone lead me in the right direction here and tell me how I should be phrasing the questions?

I think the reason nobody wants to tackle the questions is you would sound like a complete moron trying to justify some of this shit. To me, the pieces of the puzzle don't come close to matching.

But, I'm open to discuss so please tell me how I can better phrase things to begin.

Thanks

Well, are you listing reasons (reasons are like statements)?
Or are you listing questions?

Either way, its painfully obvious what you are poking at here and it's rather disappointing that you are doing this after the other thread got locked down.

Here you are starting it again. Rehashing the same rhetoric and unanswerable "questions" that has been put up before.
For as "holier than thou" that you seem to be, its rather childish reading this.

Post what 'obviously' happened then so that we can get some sort of a frame of reference in which to begin a conversation.
 

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Key Bono, who benefits? 9-11 has been very good for Bush, has it not?


Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.

Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.

"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.

As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.

Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message

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Spytheweb,

That subject you posted has been discussed, at length, in 'the other thread'.

If people insist on making such statements as recreating a thread that was locked, at least bring in fresh topics and points to discuss.

There is no value or point in rediscussing topics already brought up.
 

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took a boo. nothing new.
if I remember right, that's in plane site.
i noticed the quote. you trying to bloat
my ego beyond the point of narcissism
crap...too hung over to complete this.

I'm honoured. A little embarrassed even.

As for the Odigo message, if true, it still doesn't seem very revealing. About as revealing as Bush making a fool out of himself--what does that tell us? We have lots of evidence of that. Isn't that the kind of guy you'd love to get into a poker game with? Poor business decisions throughout his history and usually poor judgement in politics--read 'em and weap Georgie.

I should leave this thread alone already.
Not trying to piss anyone off but some approaches to this subject are quite offensive. I could elaborate on that but then I might start craving a beer and I want to save that until, maybe, afternoon at least.
Chit I hate politics.
Amazing to be so interested in a subject that I "hate."
Similar to my interest in basketball, I guess.

Time to think some more baseball.
Interested in Sheets maybe in that opener but haven't checked out his spring numbers.
Brewers might contend this year.
 

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There is no value or point in rediscussing topics already brought up.

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Marine,

You obviously have NOTHING of value to add to this thread. Sorry, but my top 10 reasons were NOT discussed at length in the 'other' thread. In fact, almost nothing was 'discussed'. Everyone knows where you sand on this issue, and like it or not it is a popular subject, as evidenced by the amount of views for the threads.

Either contribute to the subject matter at hand please, or move on and do something else. I realize you CAN'T explain any of this stuff, and that's why you try to come in and disrupt everything and de-rail the threads.

Not this one buddy......
 

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10. Why did we spend 81 million to investigate Bill Clinton getting a hummer, and 15 million to investigate the largest loss of life on American soil. Not to mention the Bush admin stonewalled investigators at EVERY turn and even getting the 15 mill was like pulling teeth 2 years later.

So are you wrong or is Bill Clinton Wrong. You would think if "they" spent that much money getting the goods on clinton that he would be happy to nail them for bringing down the towers, yet he says you should be ashamed for even thinking it:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:


"An inside job, how dare you" Bill Clinton
 
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1. Several questions. a) they released as minimal an amount as they felt they could; more would be released if needed; to Shroud this is mystery--by this most secretive administration--doesn't say jack. b) nothing to hide, where 9-11 is concerned. c) say what? d) pants down. e) of course not.

Your answer doesn't make much sense. If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding it??? They showed everything at the WTC's, why not show it here?


2. Same. a) answered previously. b) if different agencies submit differeing answer to an investigatory body after an event like this are you going to then blame them?--gimme a break. c) the flight path is estimated; Loose Change gets the angle and several other details wrong, though you wouldn't consider them as a source, would you?

Why do you use loose change as gospel, are you a pilot? Pilots for the truth have meticulously broken down the flight paths from gov. released tapes ... they were 200' off, maybe you should actually try watching Pandoras Black Box and learn the truth you are trying to suppress .. and you did not explain how HANI could find his way back, using signposts? Again, have you listened to reputable pilots address the joke that an unskilled pilot could have pulled this off, its like a low minor league hitter going .401 in the SHOW his rookie year--come on, even you don't believe his 600 hours could have performed his ludicrous banked turn? Again, do some friggin research on the odds or did he just get luck doing something he had never done in his life on a craft infinitely more difficult to maneuver.:mj07:


3. see 2b

So, you are saying Mineta lied and the Dick Cheney never issued the stand down order per se, '30 MILES, 20 MILES, 10 MILES"?


4. This is a total interpretation of "scramble" means--doesn't mean an intercept but a scramble alert (and surely you know about the lag time for that, aye?)--try finding some actualy sources about intercepts....good luck...didn't happen--P.S. check out the number of "scrambles" that happened the year after 9-11 and in subsequent years (try multiplied 4-6 times that "67" but you knew that no doubt). "15 minutes" is another distortion of reality but your belief of "scrambles" as being "intercepts" leave you no choice but to believe this myth. To you the cold war dividend was a complete myth and the U.S. was on high alert during G.W. first year...note how well they performed in their duties during Katrina.

So it usually takes more than 90 mins? And the coincidence of the vigilant guardian war games and same cloak for the London bombings war games being played at exact same moments is just kismit?

5. Nobody lied about their phone calls. Never mind that cell phones used to be more powerful than they are now--due to necessity--nor that most calls reported were from airphones, nor that the few calls made by cell phone occured over sparsely populated areas making cell phone connections much easier, but there are further problems with the "study" that one, non-replicated test suggests this lack of cell-phone ability from a time gone by...you've looked into this study though, no doubt, so you probably know about its flaws, aye?

Of course they lied about the cell phone calls! And you're telling me cell phone reception is EASIER out in the middle of nowhere with no towers at 30,000 feet and 500mph?


6. Irrelevant. Bush is a turd, and a turd would likely attract other turds so don't hold the Secret Service responsible for anything (extra).

Laughable response, so the endangering of children is a by product not a known factor of said events?


7. If the U.S. government actually bullshitted about some freakin' passport or some bandana then whoop-de-do? Don't think they might fake something to provide whatever further evidence they need to back up their otherwise tenuous (or whatever) argument...this says nothing, in other words.

Best response yet! If they "bullshitted" that means they lied, so what else are they lying about, cant have it both ways, big guy!!!


8. Multiplon. a) question makes no sense. b) there is no thermite; Jones evidence is :mj13: ...you do understand what Jones "evidence" for thermite is, right? c) FEMA should test for what results?--they knew the cause of the collapses. d) you have no clue what investigation "of the crime scene" too place...try some other sources. e) collapse was a very explosive event...don't think anyone would disagree with that. f) the EPA lied about the air quality because they were directed to by their superiors--utilitarian by their corrupt standards but the benefits were obvious, aye? g) see 8d

So they gov. lied again about air quality, nuff said ... thermite is there, you say no, i say yes, go ask Jones and others ...


9. a) The flight manifest were originally released short several names from each flight--no release of hijacker names--if you understand 7. then you might get this one. b) "board without tickets?"...are you kidding me? c) one group did its job while the other is protecting its ass d) several reports of "living" terrorists have been debunked--see the shit you refuse to look at sometime...that is, read it. e) Connections between the supposed hijackers and U.S. military training seems suspect at best--I'll look at what you have to offer here--let my love open the door--but my guess is you won't even notice this solidary query because you'll totally dismiss this stuff which clearly challenges your belief...time will tell. f) gee, they got into the country...see 1d, 4conclusion and some common sense tossed in.

Atta's dad said he called him in article the day after 9/11 ... go to taking aim and listen to detailed reporting and facts on many of the terrorists documented working at US military installations... show me people who say they didn't, i can play your game of proof too.

10. a) says nothing...who cares what this shit "cost?" b) You don't understand what "pull it" meant. c) The report didn't cover bulding 7...that was a side-effect, if you will, like whatever subsequent deaths occured due to contaminated ground zero working conidtions. d) Silverstein is losing money on this deal--i.e. it's COSTING HIM--though he still owns the rights to the properties...whoop-de-do for him this last 7 years aye?...yeah...made a killing...what a great business decision. e) the buildings being pieces of shit (which might offend some viewers) and them going kaput says nothing.

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Monday--nothing
Tuesday--nothing
Wednesday and Thursday--nothing
Friday for a change a little more nothing
Saturday once more--nothing


--The Fugs

While you are at it, perhaps you can explain this picture for me? Half in, half out? can I get a damage report? Let?s see? the plane appears to be fine ? same goes for the tower. Notice how there?s no hole in the tower between the engines and the fuselage. This picture is representative of a pixel crash, not a plane crash.:shrug:

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So are you wrong or is Bill Clinton Wrong. You would think if "they" spent that much money getting the goods on clinton that he would be happy to nail them for bringing down the towers, yet he says you should be ashamed for even thinking it:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:



"An inside job, how dare you" Bill Clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnMsGCxfrcs


:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Quick to call Bush every name in the book and blame him for the worlds problems and specifically 9-11, but when it comes time to say clinton is a liar or involved then mums the word.:142smilie This is very simple. If you are right then Clinton is a liar or involved. Which is it:shrug:
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnMsGCxfrcs


:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Quick to call Bush every name in the book and blame him for the worlds problems and specifically 9-11, but when it comes time to say clinton is a liar or involved then mums the word.:142smilie This is very simple. If you are right then Clinton is a liar or involved. Which is it:shrug:

Of course he's a fking liar. He's a politician isn't he? Since when did this turn into a Rep/Dem thing? They're ALL fking crooks in my book. I didn't open your post as I assumed it was some sort of cartoon or Rick-Roll, but yes I will grant you Clinton is a liar.

Now, cherry pick any of my 20 questions above and answer something yourself.:0corn
 
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