Transparency?

[Cie]

Where is this tranparency that Dems promised on this stimulus bull? We were supposed to have 48 hours of access, and now the 780 page bill will be voted on this morning. How can legislators be expected to read this 780 page bill in 12 hours? Oh, I forgot, that is the point.

What's with all of the broken promises? No lobbyists need apply! Transparency!

WTF??? Any other reasonable folks dissapointed at the moment, or is it just me and the skulfuck twins??

 

[ga_ben]

Totally agreed. Really whats the rush. Vote on it Monday or Tuesday. Let the public see whats been put in and taken out since joint conference. Something this massive deserves time for deliberation and viewing by the public. So the president doesn't sign this til Tuesday or Wednesday, thats just couple days after President's Day, when he originally wanted it on his desk. Nancy doesn't have to leave for Rome today.

 

[dawgball]

I was keeping my expectations pretty low until proven wrong, so I'm not overly shocked or disappointed.

Obama, unfortunately, is just proving to be another big party politician.

I do appreciate the passion that he has been able to rouse up, but we need execution at this point.

 

[Chadman]

I have to agree with you guys, I certainly do not think the timeframe legislators are being given for this is enough for anything approaching something of this magnitude. I guess the leadership of the party is responsible, I'd assume that being Pelosi and Reid, moreso than Obama, but I don't know that.

I certainly think your criticism is fair on this issue, and I still would like to know which legislators are responsible for which parts of this bill. There are parts of it, from what I've heard, that I really don't like or agree with, and I would voice my opinion to my legislator, FWIW.

 

[kosar]

I have to agree with you guys, I certainly do not think the timeframe legislators are being given for this is enough for anything approaching something of this magnitude. I guess the leadership of the party is responsible, I'd assume that being Pelosi and Reid, moreso than Obama, but I don't know that.

I certainly think your criticism is fair on this issue, and I still would like to know which legislators are responsible for which parts of this bill. There are parts of it, from what I've heard, that I really don't like or agree with, and I would voice my opinion to my legislator, FWIW.

It's definitely Pelosi and Reid. They continue to be a disgrace.

 

[Skulnik]

I just hope if Obama really wants to be bi-partisan, that he has learned his lesson, that you can't trust Pelosi and Reid, if the White House walls could talk.

 

[StevieD]

I just hope if Obama really wants to be bi-partisan, that he has learned his lesson, that you can't trust Pelosi and Reid, if the White House walls could talk.

Not sure why he wants to be bi-partisan or what that even means. Who cares what the Republicans want? The American people voted them out. And in a big way.

I agree, they should express their opinions and be included in any talks but seriously, no need to bend over backwards for them.

 

[bryanz]

Not sure why he wants to be bi-partisan or what that even means. Who cares what the Republicans want? The American people voted them out. And in a big way.

I agree, they should express their opinions and be included in any talks but seriously, no need to bend over backwards for them.

not so .. even with the country in the state it was... Americans went to the polls and voted for a ticket with the likes of palin on it.... 58,000,000 Americans voted for mccain /palin... those people have to be heard.... who cares what the repulicans want ? that kind of thinking will get us no where...

 

[bryanz]

I just hope if Obama really wants to be bi-partisan, that he has learned his lesson, that you can't trust Pelosi and Reid, if the White House walls could talk.

I agree and have said it from the start... Obamas and the countries success will be determined by the distance he puts between himself and pelosi/ reid.....

 

[dawgball]

not so .. even with the country in the state it was... Americans went to the polls and voted for a ticket with the likes of palin on it.... 58,000,000 Americans voted for mccain /palin... those people have to be heard.... who cares what the repulicans want ? that kind of thinking will get us no where...

A-fucking-men!

 

[StevieD]

not so .. even with the country in the state it was... Americans went to the polls and voted for a ticket with the likes of palin on it.... 58,000,000 Americans voted for mccain /palin... those people have to be heard.... who cares what the repulicans want ? that kind of thinking will get us no where...

What do you mean by bi-partisan?:shrug: To me it is just one of those catch phrases.

 

[Cie]

not so .. even with the country in the state it was... Americans went to the polls and voted for a ticket with the likes of palin on it.... 58,000,000 Americans voted for mccain /palin... those people have to be heard.... who cares what the repulicans want ? that kind of thinking will get us no where...

:clap:

 

[Cie]

What do you mean by bi-partisan?:shrug: To me it is just one of those catch phrases.

This should help.....

from wikipedia:

Bipartisanship

In a two-party system, bipartisan refers to any bill, act, resolution, or any other action of a political body in which both of the major political parties are in agreement. Often, compromises are called bipartisan if they reconcile the desires of both parties from an original version of legislation or other proposal. Failure to attain bipartisan support in such a system can easily lead to gridlock, often angering each other and their constituencies.

Bipartisanship can also be between two or more opposite groups (e.g. liberal and conservative) to agree and determine a plan of action on an urgent matter that is of great importance to their voters. This interpretation brings bipartisanship closer to the more applied notion of postpartisan decision-making, a solution-focused approach that creates a governance model with third-party arbiters used to detect bias.

 

[StevieD]

This should help.....

from wikipedia:

Bipartisanship

In a two-party system, bipartisan refers to any bill, act, resolution, or any other action of a political body in which both of the major political parties are in agreement. Often, compromises are called bipartisan if they reconcile the desires of both parties from an original version of legislation or other proposal. Failure to attain bipartisan support in such a system can easily lead to gridlock, often angering each other and their constituencies.

Bipartisanship can also be between two or more opposite groups (e.g. liberal and conservative) to agree and determine a plan of action on an urgent matter that is of great importance to their voters. This interpretation brings bipartisanship closer to the more applied notion of postpartisan decision-making, a solution-focused approach that creates a governance model with third-party arbiters used to detect bias.

Exactly. Both parties are so far apart it is nearly impossible to get them to agree. Now if you just look at the Presidential Race it was close but the Republicans took a whipping in the congressional races. Like it or not the people have spoken loud and clear.

We should not be giving the Republicans more power than they earned. At the same time, it is up to the members of congress and the President to keep people like Pelosi and Reed in their place.

By your definition it would not matter who the ruling party was, everything would be a compromise.

Let them talk. If they have an idea it should be heard. But to just compromise between party rhetoric will lead to nowhere.

 

[bryanz]

What do you mean by bi-partisan?:shrug: To me it is just one of those catch phrases.

It doesn't matter what my definition of bi-partisan is... all that matters is 58,000,000 Americans voted agaist Obama... I Voted for Obama but know that the country can not move in the right direction without thier cooperation & the consideration of those that voted for him, for them ....

 

[StevieD]

NAFTA and the Communications Act were both bi-partisan bills. Both are in part responsible for the trouble we find ourselves in today. 58,000,000 Americans voted for McCain who 2 weeks before the economy collasped he announced "the fundamentals are good." The guy is either a liar or he didn't have a grip on what was going on. Besides, this is not about who voted for who as President. This is about Congress where the Republicans were shown the door. Yes, they have a right to speak. But we should not compromise the voice of the people and adopt their failed ideology.
I would welcome any and all new ideas.

 

[The Sponge]

Not sure why he wants to be bi-partisan or what that even means. Who cares what the Republicans want? The American people voted them out. And in a big way.

I agree, they should express their opinions and be included in any talks but seriously, no need to bend over backwards for them.

Stevie maybe Barrick is just doing it so these pigs show their true colors. Lets face it one party sides with corruption and greed and the other sides with the working people. There will never come a day when there will not be partisan politics. This same scum who spent us into tremendous debt now has a big concern about spending. I said this would happen. Its not spending they are worried about it is the middle class getting stronger which would be their problem. These are dirt bags who should be hanging from a rope but we got nitwits who they con over and over again. WTF good is a tax cut if nobody is coming into ur business to buy anything? Just look at these hypocrite righties on this site. They just want to make me puke with their stupidity. You got a guy like that little righty Kneif who wants to try to con idiots into believing that Bush had the economy thriving but most have lost half of their life saving. :shrug: You got Weasel collecting disability but shooting from the hip like he some how owns a fortune 500 company.:shrug: You have another righty Rolltide who couldn't understand why his insurance company didnt pick up the cost of his surgery but preaches personal responsibility.:shrug: Then you have DTB fighting with his life to get another tax break for a billionaire when he is a middle class citizen.:shrug: we are not up against politicians. We are up against the guys who are so easily conned that this country has to die to make some progress. Guys who watch Fox news and can't realize they are being played like complete fools. There is no hope in this unless the dems get 60 votes in the senate and im sure as soon as they do the Southern ones will jump ship. Do you remember just a few short years ago the Repulicans conned the Dems into no more fillibusters? Now that is all these no good cocksuckers do under the guise of somehow they are fighting for the country? They couldn't give two shits about the country and would sell their soul to have partisan politics. At least my Senator from Pa showed he had a mind of his own as well as some balls and once again told the other Republicans to go fuck themselves. I hope Barrick just slams bill after bill past these crooked no good fuks.

 

[The Sponge]

NAFTA and the Communications Act were both bi-partisan bills. Both are in part responsible for the trouble we find ourselves in today. 58,000,000 Americans voted for McCain who 2 weeks before the economy collasped he announced "the fundamentals are good." The guy is either a liar or he didn't have a grip on what was going on. Besides, this is not about who voted for who as President. This is about Congress where the Republicans were shown the door. Yes, they have a right to speak. But we should not compromise the voice of the people and adopt their failed ideology.
I would welcome any and all new ideas.

Yep that is what Bi partisan gets us. It gets us bills that Republicans like and Democrats bend for. Should change the names of the parties to Corruption and greed against the Enablers.

 

[THE KOD]

It's definitely Pelosi and Reid. They continue to be a disgrace.

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Pelosi had a European trip planned this week.

Hurry hurry, I got to go eat pizza in Rome

wtf :scared

Bush did the same thing though with trillion dollar stimulus. Except no one had any clue where that money was going or went.

 

[Cie]

Lets face it one party sides with corruption and greed and the other sides with the working people.

:mj07: