I wonder if its the concept that voters and coaches just think their is a better talent overall in the SEC or maybe other conferences. I would like to know which conferences have the most players get drafted each year. I think also playing in a enviorment like the SEC is tough with attendance figures astronomical. Granted though, SEC doesn't schedule many road game, but obviously now college is all about money and if your school is gonna have a crowd of 90,000 every game, I don't blame them.
Trev Alberts 5 most overrated teams....
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Most players by school drafted over the past 10 years (1995 - 2004):
1. Tennessee (67)
2. Ohio State (66)
3. Florida State (63)
4. Miami (Fla.) (62)
5. Florida (57)
5. Nebraska (57)
7. Colorado (48)
7. Georgia (48)
9. Michigan (47)
9. Notre Dame (47)
Most schools with players taken in the top 10 over the past 10 years (1995-2004):
Florida
Florida State
Miami (Fla.)
Ohio State
Texas
All have had six.
1. Tennessee (67)
2. Ohio State (66)
3. Florida State (63)
4. Miami (Fla.) (62)
5. Florida (57)
5. Nebraska (57)
7. Colorado (48)
7. Georgia (48)
9. Michigan (47)
9. Notre Dame (47)
Most schools with players taken in the top 10 over the past 10 years (1995-2004):
Florida
Florida State
Miami (Fla.)
Ohio State
Texas
All have had six.
Devil Dog,
Im not sure what you want my opinion on as this thread has taken a shift from overrated teams to conference rankings. If it is on conference rankings then my take is that the SEC has been the most dominant conference for the past ten years hands down when you take into consideration the perennial top twenty teams that this league produces each year, as well as amount of professionals the league produces and the skill level of coaching. You could also factor in the attendance and revenue that the league generates and there is no comparison. I believe that dominance is shrinking and other leagues are closing the gap quickly with the ACC coming on strong but some of the bottom tier ACC teams really do not produce much revenue and teams like Duke and Wake are going to have a hard time competing due to limitations on their recruiting. The Big 12 is not too far behind with the stacked Southern tier of the league, but the North is a joke due to the decline of Kansas St, Neb and Colorado. Personally, I think the Big 10 could be the strongest league top-to bottom this year as four teams have legit chances of running the table and the league should be 9 deep with some awesome defenses at OSU, Iowa and PSU. The Pac 10 currently is not as deep as these leagues listed above, but with the recent coaching hires in the past two years I think the Pac 10 is on the rise and within four years they could be a top 2 conf depending on how the bottom of the league adjust to the new coaching regimes. To sit here and compare bowl records is insane, as half of the bowls you could just throw out since the lower bowls are geared toward having the underdog winning outright since the better team usually could care less if they win the Freedom Bowl, Sun Bowl etc.. To compare out of conf schedules is not a good option since the majority of these games are predicated on producing revenue for the lesser programs, so why would Georgia go on the road when they can pay a minimal guarantee to Alabama Birmingham to come to Athens and sell 93,000 tickets? Would you really expect them to give that up to go play Stanford in front of 30,000 folks? Football feeds the lower level sports thats why the bigger schools have no reason to leave their home of non league games.
If you wanted a comment on the overrated teams then the only one that I consider overrated at this point is Georgia due to the loss of many key players, but Richt is a hell of a coach and it would not surprise me to see them do well. Miami, Tenn and Okie in my opinion all have legitimate shots at running the table or going 11-1 and ND if they win 7 games they would consider the season positive.
Im not sure what you want my opinion on as this thread has taken a shift from overrated teams to conference rankings. If it is on conference rankings then my take is that the SEC has been the most dominant conference for the past ten years hands down when you take into consideration the perennial top twenty teams that this league produces each year, as well as amount of professionals the league produces and the skill level of coaching. You could also factor in the attendance and revenue that the league generates and there is no comparison. I believe that dominance is shrinking and other leagues are closing the gap quickly with the ACC coming on strong but some of the bottom tier ACC teams really do not produce much revenue and teams like Duke and Wake are going to have a hard time competing due to limitations on their recruiting. The Big 12 is not too far behind with the stacked Southern tier of the league, but the North is a joke due to the decline of Kansas St, Neb and Colorado. Personally, I think the Big 10 could be the strongest league top-to bottom this year as four teams have legit chances of running the table and the league should be 9 deep with some awesome defenses at OSU, Iowa and PSU. The Pac 10 currently is not as deep as these leagues listed above, but with the recent coaching hires in the past two years I think the Pac 10 is on the rise and within four years they could be a top 2 conf depending on how the bottom of the league adjust to the new coaching regimes. To sit here and compare bowl records is insane, as half of the bowls you could just throw out since the lower bowls are geared toward having the underdog winning outright since the better team usually could care less if they win the Freedom Bowl, Sun Bowl etc.. To compare out of conf schedules is not a good option since the majority of these games are predicated on producing revenue for the lesser programs, so why would Georgia go on the road when they can pay a minimal guarantee to Alabama Birmingham to come to Athens and sell 93,000 tickets? Would you really expect them to give that up to go play Stanford in front of 30,000 folks? Football feeds the lower level sports thats why the bigger schools have no reason to leave their home of non league games.
If you wanted a comment on the overrated teams then the only one that I consider overrated at this point is Georgia due to the loss of many key players, but Richt is a hell of a coach and it would not surprise me to see them do well. Miami, Tenn and Okie in my opinion all have legitimate shots at running the table or going 11-1 and ND if they win 7 games they would consider the season positive.
Kdogg21
Interesting stats! Thanks for posting them.
That is "not" a reason to respect them. I do not give free passes. If you need $$$ and play $hit teams at home, that is fine, but you are not getting my respect! I guess SEC schools in the south are poor and need funding. Pac 10 schools I think have the most money excluding IVY league schools. Not to mention Pac 10 has elite academic universities!
I know one thing. USC fans would NEVER support their team playing a piss poor 1aa school at home. It never will happen. BTW, USC now gets over 80k at games and is still trying to schedule tough OOC games. Problem is nobody wants to play USC. I always hear about how passionate and sophisticated southerners are about football. BLEED FOOTBALL! Yet they will go and support and cheer their team on against a much inferior opponent. Nah, that is not true. MULTIPLE INFERIOR OPPONENTS!
Now I understand. These schools need money so badly while other schools across the country don't seem to have that problem.
Please forgive me for not jumping on the SEC bandwagon and giving these poor SEC schools a free pass on their weak OOC scheduling. Maybe it is these delusional fans to blame that come cheer their team on against 1aa school and sell out the place. :mj07:
taoist
I agree TN has tough schedule. They seem to always be an over-rated SEC team. Of course they are penciled in once again in the top 25!
What makes the SEC so tough? Beefing up your win column against weak OOC competition and at home? Team A can be proud they lost to a 5-1 team B who has 3 of there 5 wins against $hit OOC teams? Give me a break. Not fooling me! Way too many examples of this goes on in the SEC! Everyone knows "WINS" gets you ranked in the top 25 and 6 wins over 1a competition gets you bowl eligible. Not hard to accomplish that when 3/6 wins are against weak OOC compeition or OOC home games. Then you have half of the SEC conf. who can't seem win a conf. title in the last 10+ years.
Tell that to Oregon and Washington! Or how about Oregon St. who many didn't want in BCS game who ended up destroying ND. Way too many examples where west coast teams get screwed.
Interesting stats! Thanks for posting them.
Kdogg21 said:
That is "not" a reason to respect them. I do not give free passes. If you need $$$ and play $hit teams at home, that is fine, but you are not getting my respect! I guess SEC schools in the south are poor and need funding. Pac 10 schools I think have the most money excluding IVY league schools. Not to mention Pac 10 has elite academic universities!
I know one thing. USC fans would NEVER support their team playing a piss poor 1aa school at home. It never will happen. BTW, USC now gets over 80k at games and is still trying to schedule tough OOC games. Problem is nobody wants to play USC. I always hear about how passionate and sophisticated southerners are about football. BLEED FOOTBALL! Yet they will go and support and cheer their team on against a much inferior opponent. Nah, that is not true. MULTIPLE INFERIOR OPPONENTS!
Now I understand. These schools need money so badly while other schools across the country don't seem to have that problem.
Please forgive me for not jumping on the SEC bandwagon and giving these poor SEC schools a free pass on their weak OOC scheduling. Maybe it is these delusional fans to blame that come cheer their team on against 1aa school and sell out the place. :mj07:
taoist
I agree TN has tough schedule. They seem to always be an over-rated SEC team. Of course they are penciled in once again in the top 25!
taoist said:
What makes the SEC so tough? Beefing up your win column against weak OOC competition and at home? Team A can be proud they lost to a 5-1 team B who has 3 of there 5 wins against $hit OOC teams? Give me a break. Not fooling me! Way too many examples of this goes on in the SEC! Everyone knows "WINS" gets you ranked in the top 25 and 6 wins over 1a competition gets you bowl eligible. Not hard to accomplish that when 3/6 wins are against weak OOC compeition or OOC home games. Then you have half of the SEC conf. who can't seem win a conf. title in the last 10+ years.
taoist said:
Tell that to Oregon and Washington! Or how about Oregon St. who many didn't want in BCS game who ended up destroying ND. Way too many examples where west coast teams get screwed.
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I agree that Tennessee has been a little over-rated in some years, but it's not because they schedule weak teams.... Why shouldn't they be in the Top 25?!?!?! Are they undeserving?!?!?! They are loaded this year and are a perennial powerhouse.... Do you honestly think that Oregon or Washington should be ranked ahead of Tennessee?!?!?!? Give me a break.... :mj07:
While Oregon, Washington and Oregon St. may be above average teams in the PAC 10, they are below average teams when compared to the Tennessee's, Florida's, Georgia's, Auburn's and LSU's of the SEC.... They are probably more comparable to Arkansas, Alabama or South Carolina.... :mj07:
I'd like to see Oregon, Washington or Oregon St. play Tennessee's schedule.... I'd bet none of them could manage a .500 record through November 5!!! :scared
...and the reason that some SEC schools have never won a conference title is because they have to compete with the Tennessee's, Florida's, Georgia's, Auburn's and LSU's of the SEC.... If you took an average PAC 10 school and put them in the SEC, I'll bet they couldn't even sniff a SEC Championship game...ever!
By the way, show me one team in the SEC that schedules 6 1aa opponents in a season.... You can't because there aren't any.... Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?!?!?!
While Oregon, Washington and Oregon St. may be above average teams in the PAC 10, they are below average teams when compared to the Tennessee's, Florida's, Georgia's, Auburn's and LSU's of the SEC.... They are probably more comparable to Arkansas, Alabama or South Carolina.... :mj07:
I'd like to see Oregon, Washington or Oregon St. play Tennessee's schedule.... I'd bet none of them could manage a .500 record through November 5!!! :scared
...and the reason that some SEC schools have never won a conference title is because they have to compete with the Tennessee's, Florida's, Georgia's, Auburn's and LSU's of the SEC.... If you took an average PAC 10 school and put them in the SEC, I'll bet they couldn't even sniff a SEC Championship game...ever!
By the way, show me one team in the SEC that schedules 6 1aa opponents in a season.... You can't because there aren't any.... Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?!?!?!
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taoist said:
Washington HELL NO! Oregon maybe. Oregon vs TN would be good game IMO especially @Oregon. TN is one of the few SEC teams that play tough OOC opponents and play on road. I respect TN! Funny you can only use TN as a team who schedules tough OOC. TN should be in top 25, but I don't think they earned at top 10 ranking. How many times must pre-season poll over-rank TN? Time to start earning those high pre-season rankings! They do have ton of talent but I don't think they are coached well.
taoist said:
This year? Last 10 years?
The big question is WHY do SEC teams get so much respect? TN competes against tough OOC so you and judge them. Conclusion is they are somewhat over-rated. LSU, AU, and UGA play $hit OOC and don't travel. How can you judge them? Against other SEC opponents who schedule the same way? WHERE IS THE BENCHMARK? TN has it! FL always plays FSU which is tough team but they don't always do to well against FSU. Other OOC games are $hit. Where is the domination from SEC outside conf. play? Or we just juding conf. play, top 25 rankings, and NC's?
If you want to use Oregon as an example, you can juge them last year through OOC play as they travelled too Oklahoma and lost. They did not sit at home collecting wins against $hit competition. But if they did do that, they would get a top 25 ranking and a lot of hype. WHY? WINS!
taoist said:By the way, show me one team in the SEC that schedules 6 1aa opponents in a season.... You can't because there aren't any.... Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?!?!?!
Where did I say that?
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From striclty a definitional viewpoint, their cannot be a team more overrated than USC. Not a slam on them at all, but by definition it has to be them.
Sun Tzu said:
You are right. Losing their #1 DT and #1 DB because of academics and false rape violations (but found exctasy pills), hurt USC badly. Now USC has big questions marks at DT and stopping the run is so important in CFB. I am big believer games are won in the trenches. USC is perfect 10 at OL but DT is big ?????.
USC also has some question marks at OC position. Nobody knows how welll that transition will go. But USC is so loaded on offense and experienced QB, even if the OC's are horrible, they will look good.
Lets just say that I was prepared to bet 10k to win 20k until I heard about those two players leaving on defense. I still think USC is the best team but they now have question marks. Before they ddn't. USC now should be +400 to win it all, not +200.
SEC is full of itself
Play 2-3 crappy nobody's in YOUR HOUSE
achieve a 4-4 in conference record
and boom you gotta bowl birth & your the "dominant conference".
My hats off to Arkansas... USC will be your toughest opp. TY.
Play 2-3 crappy nobody's in YOUR HOUSE
achieve a 4-4 in conference record
and boom you gotta bowl birth & your the "dominant conference".
My hats off to Arkansas... USC will be your toughest opp. TY.
ESPN Magazine will be coming out with a article on ranking the Conference's and they have the result posted on their website, but here is their rankings:
1. ACC
2. Big 12
3. SEC
4. Big 10
5. Pac 10
6. Big East
7. MWC
8. WAC
9. MAC
10. CONF USA
11. Sunbelt
Personally, I really dont agree with one through four, as I still feel the SEC is stronger than the Big 12 due to the weakness of the Big 12 North and I still feel that top to bottom the Big 10 could be the deepest league this year. I agree with their assessment on the Pac 10, yes they do have the top dawg in the country but do you really think any other team in that league could finish in the top four in any of the conferences ranked above them? I don't believe that Cal or ASU would be able to crack to the top 4 this year or last year. Within the next five years I think that you will be able to take the top 5 leagues and put them in a hat as they will all nearly be equal as the Pac 10 will continue to make strides especially with the new coaching additions. I still don't think we have seen the last of the changing of the landscape for conf affiliation, as we should still have some more movement and I look for the first domino to fall with the Big 10 adding a 12th team. The rumor's on the 12th team being added to the Big 10 have included Pitt, Cuse, Mizzou, Nebraska and Louisiville, but I believe the Big 10 has some type of academic standard that each member institution must qualify for and I believe that both Pitt and Louisville failed to meet that standard.
1. ACC
2. Big 12
3. SEC
4. Big 10
5. Pac 10
6. Big East
7. MWC
8. WAC
9. MAC
10. CONF USA
11. Sunbelt
Personally, I really dont agree with one through four, as I still feel the SEC is stronger than the Big 12 due to the weakness of the Big 12 North and I still feel that top to bottom the Big 10 could be the deepest league this year. I agree with their assessment on the Pac 10, yes they do have the top dawg in the country but do you really think any other team in that league could finish in the top four in any of the conferences ranked above them? I don't believe that Cal or ASU would be able to crack to the top 4 this year or last year. Within the next five years I think that you will be able to take the top 5 leagues and put them in a hat as they will all nearly be equal as the Pac 10 will continue to make strides especially with the new coaching additions. I still don't think we have seen the last of the changing of the landscape for conf affiliation, as we should still have some more movement and I look for the first domino to fall with the Big 10 adding a 12th team. The rumor's on the 12th team being added to the Big 10 have included Pitt, Cuse, Mizzou, Nebraska and Louisiville, but I believe the Big 10 has some type of academic standard that each member institution must qualify for and I believe that both Pitt and Louisville failed to meet that standard.
If there ever becomes a 12th team in the Big 11, it will be Mizzou. BYU, Utah and Colorado State then mos tlikely to become Big 12 teams.
Although I know that it will probably never happen, I'd like to see ND join the Big 10.... Seems like a perfect fit to me....
Local radio station here in Chicago had on ND's Atheltic Director and he hinted he wouldn't be suprised if ND left the Big East and joined the Big 10 and he says he may happen as soon as next year.
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I think Trev's comments about Georgia are pretty accurate this year. I was actually surprised because he is usually sucking our dicks in his commentary. We are going to struggle due to the reasons that he stated, but I highly doubt we lose to Boise St. I think that is one of the "predictions" that commentators like to throw out because it will be forgotten if he is wrong, but he will bring it up every week if it happens to come true.
I just hope coahing and good team chemistry will help us win one of the games with Tennessee or Florida. I hate getting swept by them (but I have grown accustomed to it).
His statement about ND is idiotic based on the fact that noone expects them to be any good.
I just hope coahing and good team chemistry will help us win one of the games with Tennessee or Florida. I hate getting swept by them (but I have grown accustomed to it).
His statement about ND is idiotic based on the fact that noone expects them to be any good.
Kdogg21 said:
What station? and when?
This is the kind of stuff that gets the Irish message boards up in arms and I didn't hear anything about it. I think it would be great as an ND and a Big 10 fan.
It ain't worth Independence anymore if you don't have a dominant program.
What happened to Penn St. when they joined the Big 10?
I am not sure joining the Big 10 is in the best interest of ND. ND already has big games every year with USC, Michigan, MSU, Army/Navy and Purdue. That is a lot of meaningful games to play year in year out. So joining the Big 10 would not "add" marquee games to their schedule. Ohio St. would be one but my point is ND is not in need of more marquee games. That might be a reason to joing a BCS conf. In fact, many argue ND needs to "tone" down their schedule.
What happens to their big TV contract with NBC? Would they have to share the $$$? ND just needs to get back on top and reap the benefits of being independent. Hiring Weis was a great start.
I don't know about the math, but I gotta think 1 BCS bowl game revenue would equal all the profits of how many years sharing the profits in a conference? My guess is least 5 years. Maybe more. I am just talking about 1 BCS bowl game profits. Not factoring in "non" BCS bowl game $$$. ND just needs to make a BCS bowl game every 5 years (maybe more) to equal profits if they were part of a conference. My math could be wrong as I do not have the payouts in front of me.
In the future there might be playoffs in CFB, and being independent and controlling your schedule could put ND in playoffs every year. Especially if Weis is the real deal. That be huge $$$$.
Lastly, ND is a private university and receives huge donations every year. Not like they are in desperate need of $$$ for athletic funding.
I am not sure joining the Big 10 is in the best interest of ND. ND already has big games every year with USC, Michigan, MSU, Army/Navy and Purdue. That is a lot of meaningful games to play year in year out. So joining the Big 10 would not "add" marquee games to their schedule. Ohio St. would be one but my point is ND is not in need of more marquee games. That might be a reason to joing a BCS conf. In fact, many argue ND needs to "tone" down their schedule.
What happens to their big TV contract with NBC? Would they have to share the $$$? ND just needs to get back on top and reap the benefits of being independent. Hiring Weis was a great start.
I don't know about the math, but I gotta think 1 BCS bowl game revenue would equal all the profits of how many years sharing the profits in a conference? My guess is least 5 years. Maybe more. I am just talking about 1 BCS bowl game profits. Not factoring in "non" BCS bowl game $$$. ND just needs to make a BCS bowl game every 5 years (maybe more) to equal profits if they were part of a conference. My math could be wrong as I do not have the payouts in front of me.
In the future there might be playoffs in CFB, and being independent and controlling your schedule could put ND in playoffs every year. Especially if Weis is the real deal. That be huge $$$$.
Lastly, ND is a private university and receives huge donations every year. Not like they are in desperate need of $$$ for athletic funding.
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Just speaking as a fan, Scott, and wasn't talking about being fiscally responsible.
Big 10 needs 12 so that the problems with Purdue's schedule don't happen and ND is the perfect fit. Conference affiliation brings so much more to the table as a fan as rivalries grow and your team competes against the same players for the length of their careers.
One day, the NCAA will realize that ND needs them more than the NCAA needs ND and won't make any concessions for them as far as BCS priveleges. Conversely, the Big 10 could just stop scheduling them and it would hurt ND more than it hurts the Big 10. I would just like the process sped up.
Big 10 needs 12 so that the problems with Purdue's schedule don't happen and ND is the perfect fit. Conference affiliation brings so much more to the table as a fan as rivalries grow and your team competes against the same players for the length of their careers.
One day, the NCAA will realize that ND needs them more than the NCAA needs ND and won't make any concessions for them as far as BCS priveleges. Conversely, the Big 10 could just stop scheduling them and it would hurt ND more than it hurts the Big 10. I would just like the process sped up.
Notre Dame is NOT joining the Big Ten... I REPEAT Notre Dame is not joining the Big Ten. This is brought up every year, and it will not happen.
I like the Big Ten and wouldnt mind seeing them down the road join the Big 10 as long as we keep our number one rival USC on the schedule.
I like the Big Ten and wouldnt mind seeing them down the road join the Big 10 as long as we keep our number one rival USC on the schedule.
BobbyBlueChip said:
That is my point. ND doesn't need that. They have their biggest rival USC which is the biggest cross country rilvalry in CFB and one of the biggest rivalries in history of CFB. Then right after USC, ND has Michigan who is huge rivalry as well. Doesn't ND play Michigan "most" of the time? ND even has smaller rivalries against MSU, Purdue, Army/Navy etc. There is not team in the country like ND and their opponents. Most teams in the country have 1 rival, maybe 2. ND has 2 huge rivals, and bunch smaller ones. ND is pretty special. But I agree with you if the NCAA doesn't give ND all these BCS Independent benifits, then ND should joing Big 10. Big 10 being the perfect conf. for them to join. But if ND joined Big 10, then Big 10 teams would be missing 3 conf. opponents every year. Right? Just like the SEC.
The NCAA has now allowed teams to schedule the extra OOC game. Not too difficult for other schools to use that extra OOC game on ND. I know the Pac 10 decided to use the extra OOC game to play ALL pac 10 opponents every year. I thought that was smart move. Hopefully other conf. do the same so we will NEVER have Purdue not playing OSU and Michigan and contending for Big 10 conf. title. That is BS and Big 10 should not allow Purdue the title if both Michigan and OSU finish top 5 in Big 10.
