Trouble at USC

[Scott4USC]

First let me say that if a player rapes a girl he should be kicked off team and let the police handle it. That is a given.

This is a debate whether Pete Carroll (or any CFB HC) is to be held accountable for his players actions off the field.

Please tell me how Carroll prevents players from getting into trouble? For someone to be held accountable, you must think they could have prevented it.

That is the reason for my examples. In all my examples, I showed where a coach or organization would be held accountable if and only if the player they recruited or signed had a prior history. If the player has no history prior, then how can a coach or organization be held accountable?

I don't think anybody has made a good argument on WHY a coach should be held accountable.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

"If we continue to come up on short end of the stick in football, we still have a University to be proud of."


Yeah, If I were a ND fan I'd be stoked to go 5-6 again with no criminal charges. That would really make me want to wake up the echos cheering her name.

Flapjack - You're a dope. First off we were 6-6... Secondly, we had the worst game day coach in history of college football. I would rather have respectable players who perform on and OFF the field. If it takes thugs and hooligans to win National Titles this day and age. I will just settle for the 11 NC we currently have and cherish the glory days :clap:

 

[THE KOD]

I don't think anybody has made a good argument on WHY a coach should be held accountable.

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Its called character. Its part of the recruiting game they all play. Carroll knows when he is taking a chance on a players moral integrity.

Give him more credit than that.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Flapjack - You're a dope. First off we were 6-6... Secondly, we had the worst game day coach in history of college football. I would rather have respectable players who perform on and OFF the field. If it takes thugs and hooligans to win National Titles this day and age. I will just settle for the 11 NC we currently have and cherish the glory days :clap:

I thought Gerry Faust was the worst game day coach in the history of college football. No wait, i thought it was Bob Davie? No, wait...maybe I am just confused.

 

[flapjack]

My apologies DD, I didn't realize ND went 6-6 not 5-6. That changes everything.

As for your other comment, it looks like you will be watching alot of ESPN Classic in the coming years. To bad it is so difficult to get books to list those games. :mj07:

 

[Scott4USC]

ND and USC have higher admission standards than the NCAA min. Some players that LSU, OU, FSU, TN, Texas, etc accept could not get into USC or ND because USC and ND have set higher min. standards for football players than the NCAA min. standards. They should be applauded for that, especially USC because they flat out dominating CFB right now.

Difference between USC and ND is ND standards are "slightly" higher than USC and the biggest difference is ND doesn't take JC players.

USC was last in the Pac 10 the year before Carroll arrived and 6-6 and a Las Vegas bowl loss in Carroll's first year. I think Weis and ND can have the same success as USC but only problem is ND plays USC every year. These 2 teams have cost each other many National Championships. Prob. will continue with Carroll and Weis.


As for USC and Pete Carroll's character. I think having higher admission standards than the NCAA speaks volumes. 2nd, USC is an elite academic University. 3rd, name one player Pete Carroll recruited that had a past history PRIOR to arriving at USC.

CASE CLOSED!

 

[Sun Tzu]

You are right Scott - thos guys characters' got worse under Carroll. What a great tribute to him.

And once you again you show your lack of knowledge. You obviously know nothing about Texas' academic standards when you lump them in with some of those other schools. Texas doesnt take JUCOs and a number of recent recruits werent offered because they couldnt qualify for Texas' standards. But heck, why confuse your arguments with facts right?

And show me where USC is considered and "elite" academic university. It isnt even in the neighborhood of Texas in any category or ranking, except possibily wealth of students.

 

[Scott4USC]

You are right Scott - thos guys characters' got worse under Carroll. What a great tribute to him.

Whose characters got worse under Carroll? We already established Carroll doesn't recruit kids with a past history. Not sure why posters on here are trying to talk down on Pete Carroll's character. Doesn't make sense to me.

And show me where USC is considered and "elite" academic university. It isnt even in the neighborhood of Texas in any category or ranking, except possibily wealth of students.

US NEWS Top Academic Universities in the United States

Stanford #3
ND #18
CAL #21
UCLA #25
USC #30
Washington #46
Texas #46

4 Pac 10 schools ranked in the top 30 in the country academically, 5 Pac 10 schools ranked in the top 50. Very impressive for the Pac 10!

I apologize for incorrectly grouping Texas. I was CLEARLY wrong. Texas is a great academic University. Thanks for correcting me! I don't take offense to being corrected. Does Texas use the NCAA min. requirements for football players or do they set their own? That is why I might have grouped Texas with the others. It has nothing to do with University Academic ratings. It has to do with admission standards for athletes. But I could be wrong again. If Texas does use the NCAA min. requirements, then my post wasn't incorrect.

Average SAT score to get into USC is over 1400 and GPA is close to 4.0. USC has the 2nd highest admission standards in California only behind Stanford. USC passed UCLA and CAL Berkley who are both considered elite academic Universities in the country in terms of admission standards.

USC was named COLLEGE OF THE YEAR in 2000 (not sports related).

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

I thought Gerry Faust was the worst game day coach in the history of college football. No wait, i thought it was Bob Davie? No, wait...maybe I am just confused.

Yeah, Texas Tech is a great football school... :mj07: Nobody gives a shit about that team. Notre Dame will be back on top with Weis just wait and see. He already has six great recruits including by some publications the (2006) top QB and RB and this is before the May evaluation period. You seem to have left out L. Holtz between your sarcastic mention of Gerry Faust and Bob Davie. Even he won more National Championships at ND than Texas Tech has in history: 1 :mj07:

 

[gman2]

let me spell this out for you guys.

sun tzu is NOT a texas tech fan.

sun tzu is NOT a texas tech graduate.

sun tzu could not give two shits about texas tech football.

i laugh every time i hear an anti-texas tech post against sun tzu.

makes no sense.

 

[lowell]

You are right Scott - thos guys characters' got worse under Carroll. What a great tribute to him.

And once you again you show your lack of knowledge. You obviously know nothing about Texas' academic standards when you lump them in with some of those other schools. Texas doesnt take JUCOs and a number of recent recruits werent offered because they couldnt qualify for Texas' standards. But heck, why confuse your arguments with facts right?

And show me where USC is considered and "elite" academic university. It isnt even in the neighborhood of Texas in any category or ranking, except possibily wealth of students.

that sure took a local basketball player from here who couldn't get into any acc schools. seems like he couldn't keep a "d" average and pass his 6 hours at texas last year. but he could get named captain of bball team.

 

[Sun Tzu]

For reasons I cannot understand Texas basketball indeed has less stringent restrictions academically than the football program. It is certainly something I take issue with. They just signed 2 JUCO's for next season, while the football team refuses JUCOs.

There were actually 2 ACC schools that offered Tucker, but the reason he wasnt wanted by more wasnt just academics (although it should have been) it was because no one really thought he was all that good. But heck, Lowell, as usual, why bother letting facts get in the way.

See, unlike you, I dont worship the ground and turn a blind eye to everything about my school. Let me know when you find the post of mine- EVER- praising Texas' athleticc program. It will be a hopeless search. But of course that cant be in your mind because your life wouldnt be complete if you had to actually realize I dont care what you or anyone else says about the program. Without that, what would you do with all the time spent on your hard-on for me?

 

[lowell]

i just think it is pretty funny that the captain of the team can't pass 6 hours to stay qualified. either he is stupid or the program is too hard. take your pick. no acc teams wanted him. that is the difference in your bball and what we have here. our reject becomes your captain and he flunks out. are classes that hard at texas?