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I had never heard that one.
what law is that and who chaired it and passed it ?
And then they cry because Medicare is so expensive and giving away bennies to poor unfortunates.
U.S. Healthcare vs. The Rest of the World
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I had never heard that one.
what law is that and who chaired it and passed it ?
And then they cry because Medicare is so expensive and giving away bennies to poor unfortunates.
And therein lies the power of single-payer. You can cap costs on ANYTHING because you represent every man, woman and child in the U.S.
EVERY other industrialized nation on the planet knows this. We know this. Yet, Republicans, Blue Dog Democrats and the lemmings that lap up their bullshit scream "SOCIALISM!!!", then tell us to bend over and take it up the ass from Big Insurance, Big Pharma and Big Healthcare.
Here, read for yourself who blocked the bill -
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/washington/18cnd-medicare.html
And who was at the forefront blocking this bill? None other than that slimy turd Chuck Grassley.
And who paid off Grassley? It's all right here -
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=n00001758
High time Iowans break out the tar and feathers.
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Chuck Berry is famous for Roll Over Beethoven.
George Bush is famous for Bend Over Americans
Actually, if you remember during the healthcare debate, there was an amendment offered to allow reimportation of prescription drugs - which would allow the US to get them at a much lower price.
It was offered by a Republican and had a small bit of bi-partisan support.
It was defeated by order of Obama, as he had already worked out his secret deal with Big Pharma to protect them, and that was part of the deal - that this amendment not be allowed through. For that, Big Pharma came out of the healthcare bill unscathed, and promised $100M or something like that in ads supporting the law for Obama.
Obama cared about creating a new entitlement. He never had an interest in trying to reduce costs. It's all about building a bigger dependency class and voting block.
Politics, whether Republican or Democrat, is about power and money. That is all - none of them give a crap about the people - just their power and money.
This has been fact in this country for my entire life.
Its really sad when there is nothing we can do or no one we can elect that can change it.
This attitude is engrained in our political system so deep and complicated that it will continue for another 100 years.
its nothing but a huge game of oneupmanship to them.
The hypocrisy of our American politicians is bigger than the entire universe.
It makes me think why more ppl in the world dont report on us having this kind of system where crooks make out like thieves. But then again maybe thats why so many countrys hate us.
We preach about being the most noble honest country in the world. And our own goverment time and time again goes against the wishs of the American ppl.
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thanks Duff
wow just wow
this shit never ends.
Here's is a link to the Dorgan (D) and Vitter (R) amendment, that Obama would not allow the Dems to pass, due to his relationship with big Pharma.....
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/dorgan-introduces-bill-will-allow-imp
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/dorgan-introduces-bill-will-allow-imp
You are absolutely amazing, Maggot. No matter how dumb you seem, you can always come up with something even more stupid.
The only reason anyone wants to import drugs from Canada is to take advantage of the lower prices which Canadian health care negotiates.
Republicans defeated the bill which would allow Medicare to negotiate lower prices. Republicans, get it? Republicans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/washington/18cnd-medicare.html
And why did Republicans vote to defeat a bill which would save us all money on drugs?
Because they were bought by the pharmaceutical companies. These whores will get on their knees for anybody who will pay them.
Hear that big sucking sound? It's Chuck Grassley, doing what he does best.
The only reason anyone wants to import drugs from Canada is to take advantage of the lower prices which Canadian health care negotiates.
Republicans defeated the bill which would allow Medicare to negotiate lower prices. Republicans, get it? Republicans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/washington/18cnd-medicare.html
And why did Republicans vote to defeat a bill which would save us all money on drugs?
Because they were bought by the pharmaceutical companies. These whores will get on their knees for anybody who will pay them.
Hear that big sucking sound? It's Chuck Grassley, doing what he does best.
And you are even dumber for not noticing that your socialist friends, led by Obama, made side deals with Pharma to keep prices high and kill the bill to cheapen drugs.
What good is healthcare reform to increase access to a product that you keep saying is too expensive???
Maybe cutting costs FIRST, then adding access, would have made more sense - especially when our country can't afford it now.
Instead, let us increase the costs to the country - BRILLIANT. Obama sure is a sharp one, isn't he???
Your dems would not allow cheaper drug prices - even though there was bipartisan support for this. Why? Obama was getting too much under the table from Big Pharma.
Surprised? Of course not. That is how all politicians work. You think Dems are for the "working man"? Are you ignoring the fact that they are for themselves? Power and money, that is all it is about, baby.
Once again revealing the power of single-payer. Canada has 1/10th the population of the U.S. yet the Canadian government has the power to do something the U.S. goverment does not. A sad comment on both our political and healthcare systems.
From the above article...
U.S. patients pay far more than the rest of the world for prescription drugs. The Canadian government keeps prices down by using its purchasing power to negotiate for lower rates.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the bill would result in $50 billion in direct savings over the next decade, with $10.6 billion of that being savings to the federal government.
Trench:
I agree. But I wouldn't stop there if we are heading the socialism route.
Food and Fuel costs are the 2 biggest expenses for families. Since we are heading down that path, we should shut down every grocery store and convenience store, and have the government run them. We could force better food choices, and have MUCH lower costs.
Same with gas for autos and heating oil. Nationalize this program and people could save a ton, due to our purchasing power.
Then do healthcare.
Then autos, education, etc by government fiat, with the emphasis on controlling costs - which of course, means no more labor unions, as we know they articially inflate the costs.
I like the way you are thinking. Nationalize all products and services! We could be just like Cuba!
Show us your proof of that accusation.
You have no proof, of course. In fact Obama is pushing for Medicare price negotiating ability, just the opposite from what you claim.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/201...s-medicare-to-flex-muscle-to-lower-drug-costs
You're a moron....a lying moron.
Dumber and dumber, and dumber still. Way to go Maggot.
What Trench is talking about is giving Medicare the ability to negotiate prices, just like any purchaser of anything has the right to negotiate.
That's Capitalism. And you think it's Socialism.
Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself? :facepalm:
Sponge and Duff -
Great Canadian healthcare?
My mother in law died of pancreatic cancer in Canada while waiting for her FIRST visit to an oncologist. He missed their first scheduled appt and she could not see him for another 6 months and before they met, she passed away.
Great FUCKING system up there.
Great Canadian healthcare?
My mother in law died of pancreatic cancer in Canada while waiting for her FIRST visit to an oncologist. He missed their first scheduled appt and she could not see him for another 6 months and before they met, she passed away.
Great FUCKING system up there.
As I said earlier, instead of having a serious debate, scream "SOCIALISM!!!". It's very effective with the Tea Bag crowd.
Sorry to hear about you MIL, but I don't exactly understand what you said. She never saw an oncologist? How was her pancreatic cancer diagnosed? Was she treated by another MD?
Median survival for pancreatic cancer is less than 6 months with the best treatments presently available.
Pancreatic cancer is one of the worst.
By the way ssd - you never answered a direct question -
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As for the best healthcare in the world? I would say it is here in the US.
Is your opinion based on faith, or a BIG LIE, or facts? If fact based, what facts?
Even if rich Saudis do sometimes use US health care like the CC, so what? That says nothing about the health care available to most Americans.
Here's an interesting article for you -
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0204-01.htm
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As for the best healthcare in the world? I would say it is here in the US.
Is your opinion based on faith, or a BIG LIE, or facts? If fact based, what facts?
Even if rich Saudis do sometimes use US health care like the CC, so what? That says nothing about the health care available to most Americans.
Here's an interesting article for you -
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0204-01.htm
There are a lot of Canadians on this site. Let me see if u can find one who would like to trade systems with us. For shits and giggles go try to get an appointment with and Endocrinologist and let me know how fast u get it. Im willing to bet about three months at least. There are waiting lines here just like there are there, except everyone is insured there.
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