Uncertainty in the polls

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Preseason Top 25: Only thing certain is uncertainty


Aug. 7, 2006
By Dennis Dodd
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
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Shift 8.

That's the asterisk key for the keyboard-impaired. I need one. You need one. Every swinging hick who produces one of these preseason polls needs one.

You'll see below that Ohio State was, is and will be our No. 1 team heading into 2006. You also should be warned. The Bucks are a very tenuous pick.


Troy Smith and Ohio State have their eyes set on a return to the Fiesta Bowl. So are Notre Dame, LSU, Texas and Auburn, to name a few more popular selections. Nothing against any of those teams; it's just that any preseason poll this year needs that asterisk.

A warning. An explanation. A footnote.

Everything is fluid. There is no solid, complete team this year. No consensus No. 1. Go all in at your own risk. Everyone has holes.

Ohio State has a massive one on defense, where nine starters are gone. Good luck toting that baggage to Austin in the second week. At least the Buckeyes had a defense. If Notre Dame is going to be a national player, it must develop one, quick.

Texas has to replace its all-world quarterback. Same at Southern California. Five SEC teams are breaking in new QBs.

Oklahoma has them all beat -- in terms of quarterback desperation.

We know what you're thinking. This season is headed for a train wreck ala 2003, when USC was No. 1 in the polls but No. 3 in the BCS. Or it will be 2004 all over again. Auburn went undefeated (13-0) and couldn't get a sniff at a championship.

"I think about it every day ..." Tigers coach Tommy Tuberville said this summer. "I think the fans missed out on it. I think it will always be a question mark. We'll always have that little empty feeling thinking, could we or couldn't we have won that game?"

Parity has given us TCU, Utah and Boise State. But it has also given us Michigan's worst season in two decades, and the fall of Florida State from its annual top five slot. Miami is on the verge of three consecutive single-digit win seasons for the only the second time in 24 years.

And you expected the BCS to sort it out? No way. The game is too good, too competitive this season. Last year at this time, we were talking about a USC dynasty. Silly rabbits, hat tricks are for kids.

The nation's leading returning rusher is at Northern Illinois (Garrett Wolfe). The best receiver (USC's Dwayne Jarrett) hasn't been fully cleared to play yet. At any given moment, the ACC might be the best conference.

No. 1. It's a moving target. The World Series of Darts with beer goggles on. We'll start in Columbus and take our chances.

Shift 8 and party on.

(SportsLine.com post-spring ranking in parentheses)

1. Ohio State (1): How motivated is Troy Smith? Offensive coordinator Jim Bollman had bypass surgery this offseason. Quarterbacks coach Joe Daniels is working half days after being diagnosed with cancer. Smith has been banging on their doors to watch film in their homes.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Embracing the ranking. The nine new starters on defense are being sized for chips on their shoulders. They're going to be very good, trust us. Overall, this is the best Ohio State team since 2002. Someone has it figured out. The future looks so bleak that three major media outlets (we were the first) have the Bucks No. 1 going in.

2. West Virginia (2): It's a two-game season -- at Louisville and at Pittsburgh. Win those, and Double R is in Glendale, Ariz.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Trying to find an excuse after a student working in the Mountaineers football office was caught spying on Marshall practices. Wait a minute, Marshall?

3. Auburn (3): The cannibalistic SEC has to have someone emerge. Auburn is it for now. By the way, o-coordinator Al Borges is God. That means new d-coordinator Will Muschamps is his own deity. He directed LSU's 2003 national champions.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Passing that pesky direct studies sociology class.

4. LSU (4): Can't believe folks are doubting Les Miles. "Let's see how he does with his own players." How about, "Not bad for a guy who faced two hurricanes."

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Clearing their minds. The season might be decided early when the Tigers go to Auburn on Sept. 16.

5. Texas (6): Do Colt McCoy and Jevan Snead remember Chris Simms and Major Applewhite? Hopefully not. Mack Brown has to have the quarterback situation squared away in time for Oklahoma on Oct. 7.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Going to the White House.

6. Notre Dame (7): The wacky offseason stuff is over. Jimmy Clausen declared for the Irish at the College Football Hall of Fame. Charlie Weis invited writers to the Brady Quinn Invitational in May. Now it's, "All we're thinking about is Georgia Tech."

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Developing/hoping for a defense.

7. USC (8): Scandal Central and the Trojans should still win the Pac-10. Steroids, agents, surgeries. This program is invincible.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Calling an exterminator to get rid of all the runners. Uh, the agent type, not the football type.

8. Cal (17): The most underrated team in America. Jeff Tedford conceivably has a national championship contender with depth everywhere.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Counting to 108,000, the number of voices they'll face in the opener at Tennessee.

9. Florida (9): Chris Leak looks uncomfortable in the spread option. The running backs are questionable. Not too sure about the offensive line. Have you seen that schedule? It adds up to a 9-3 season that should land the Gators in the top 10. No shame in that.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Catering to The Next One. Anything else we can get for you, Mr. Tebow?

10. Georgia (10): Just like Texas and Oklahoma, pretty much set at every position except quarterback. What's the over/under on what game Matthew Stafford takes over?

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Taking donations for Mark Richt's latest raise.

11. Miami (20): Complete change of heart here since the spring. The 'Canes are the best team in the ACC. That doesn't mean they are perfect. It does mean Larry Coker will keep his job.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Suspending Tyrone Moss, Ryan Moore and (supposedly) losing Willie Williams.

12. Florida State (22): Jeff Bowden has to get the running game going. Beating a depleted Miami in the opener would help.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Remembering they are the defending ACC champs. A return to the top five isn't that far away.

13. Oregon (12): This is USC Jr. The Ducks have a serviceable defense, which is huge in the Pac-10. But the loss of Haloti Ngata will hurt immensely. Figure the Ducks for third in the Pac-10.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Waiting for Oklahoma at Autzen on Sept. 16.

14. Virginia Tech (13): Quick, what do you know about this team? Us either. The best team in the expanded ACC (to date) will have to sneak up to win their second conference title in three years.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Re-tooling after the loss of Marcus Vick, Jimmy Williams, etc.


Bob Stoops' Sooners have all the top programs beat in QB problems.

15. Oklahoma (5): So this is where they landed after The Great Expulsion. Figure the Sooners for an 8-4 season and an outside shot at challenging for the Big 12 South.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Cruising. Well, that's the wrong choice of words. Everything was great until Stoops found out Rhett Bomar and J.D. Quinn were getting paid a whole lot of money for washing used BMWs.

16. Iowa (14): Replacements at receiver and linebacker will have to come through. Ohio State will have to falter.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Giving Kirk Ferentz ungodly amounts of money just because the NFL sneezed.

17. Louisville (11): Bobby Petrino's best leverage continues to be that Auburn private jet out on the tarmac. Time to step up in the Big East and nationally. The Miami game on Sept. 16 is the biggest in school history.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Watching in amazement as Brian Brohm rehabbed from knee surgery.

18. Clemson (15): We're not ready to go in the tank totally for the Tigers just yet. Mostly because of games at Florida State and Virginia Tech. Seniors must come through (QB Will Proctor, WR Chansi Stuckey, DL Gaines Adams). Yeah, we're calling you out.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Figuring out how to get through the third week of September. There are consecutive trips to Boston College (Sept. 9) and FSU (Sept. 16).

19. Penn State (23): Weird dynamic here. The Lions get worse at quarterback (c'mon, Michael Robinson was a better playmaker and leader than Anthony Morelli). But they might be better overall everywhere else on offense. Penn State will never be bad on defense.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Hoping Paul Posluszny's knee is fully healed. Psst, it is. Just ask him.

20. Michigan (21): Just asking, but is it possible that Chad Henne and Michael Hart have already peeked? Lloyd Carr needs the next go-to receiver (is it Mario Manningham? Steve Breaston?)

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Wallowing in the shame of their worst season in 21 years.

21. Boston College (16): If you're spending a weekend of debauchery in Vegas, gambling away the mortgage money with your buds, do something sensible. Put a couple of bucks on the Eagles. They are the model of consistency. In the past five years, the Eagles have won either eight or nine games.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Figuring how to replace the winningest senior class in school history. That list includes nine starters, three taken in the first four rounds by the NFL.

22. Nebraska (19): They'll win the Big 12 North because the Huskers are the division's only ranked team and they're coming off an eight-win season and a bowl victory over Michigan. No other Big 12 North team has as much talent.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Chilling until this week when, as of Monday, backup quarterback Harrison Beck hadn't shown up for camp. Starting corner Zackary Bowman blew out his knee. Time to re-evaluate this ranking already?

23. TCU (18): Gary Patterson will find out by the second week of October whether the Frogs are BCS players. They play Baylor, Texas Tech, BYU and Utah early.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Feeling the love. TCU has the second-longest winning streak in the country (10). It's favored to win the Mountain West again. Since 2000, TCU has a better winning percentage than Florida, Florida State and Tennessee. Surprised?

24. Arizona State (24): Just might have the best offense in America.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Pondering that they just might have the worst defense in America.

25. Georgia Tech (25): Coming off a fourth consecutive seven-win season. The Jackets drive their fans crazy. After what seemed like a breakthrough victory at Miami, they lost the final two against Georgia and Utah by a combined 35 points.

How They Spent Their Summer Vacation: Putting in 20-hour days plotting to beat Notre Dame in the opener.
 

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I just don't see how West Virginia is the #2 team in the country in this preseason poll.

Maybe they end up there because their schedule is easy but they are not the 2nd best team in the country

I also think they will lose @ Louisville if the Cardinals can stay healthy
 

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I also think that Clemson is going to be the surprise team this year. Will Proctor is taking over at QB and he is a 5th year senior with some good mobilty. They have some real talented players on both sides of the ball and good special teams. They should be able to win @ BC and if they can beat FSU the next week on the road then look the hell out

The article references California being the most underrated team in the country and then they go and demote them from 8th in the poll to 17th. First of all, I think California isn't underrated at all, and secondly, they are better than 17th in the country.

And will someone have the balls not to rank Penn state in the top 25. That is just :mj07: this team has to play great football to avoid losing more than 3 games. They will lose to ND, Ohio State and Michigan for sure.

Georgia isn't a top 10 team w/ Joe tereshinski running the show. stafford will be the qb of this team by season's end.

Scott-Atlanta, what do you think of the dawgs @ #10? justified?
 

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DeadPrez said:
I just don't see how West Virginia is the #2 team in the country in this preseason poll.

Maybe they end up there because their schedule is easy but they are not the 2nd best team in the country

I also think they will lose @ Louisville if the Cardinals can stay healthy


i think they are rated this high in this poll is because of their upset of georgia.
 

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AR182 said:
i think they are rated this high in this poll is because of their upset of georgia.

thats the truth but it still is dumb

last year is last year right?

at least I know going in to view these presason polls to take them with a grain of salt. They are pointless.

I have seen a few preseason magazines that have West Virginia as high as #2 and it is a joke. Are they the 2nd best team in the nation because they play a cupcake schedule or something? What is the big attraction with the Mountaineers?

I could name a bunch of teams that are better than they are, I am sure we all could.

Does anyone think this high of a ranking is justified?

They will get spanked by Louisville this year, and if they had any other top 10 team on their schedule they would lose then as well. Like WV would hold their own against Florida, or Texas, or auburn, or Ohio State, or anyone ranked below them thats in the top 10.

:142smilie :142smilie :mj07: :mj07:

maybe I am crazy but I just don't see it. If anyone disagrees w/ me and agrees that WV is the #2 team in the country then please leave me your reasoning behind your mirage of beliefs
 

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AR182 said:
i think they are rated this high in this poll is because of their upset of georgia.


do you think they are worthy of #2 AR?

I have them ranked at about #13 or #14, below Louisville
 

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i also don't think too much of preseason polls....i think these polls hurt college football & hurt teams that aren't rated as high during the preseason... only to finish with a great record..as was the case a few years ago with a team (forgot which team)...

i think polls should start about the 3rd or 4th game & go from there...

as far as w. virginia....i don't think they should be rated that high during the preseason...

i would rate ohio st., tex, & usc..1,2,3 in any order...then go from there.
 

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AR182 said:
i also don't think too much of preseason polls....i think these polls hurt college football & hurt teams that aren't rated as high during the preseason... only to finish with a great record..as was the case a few years ago with a team (forgot which team)...


that team was auburn

13-0

they started the season ranked at about 18th
 
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your right

I referenced a preseason poll from a magazine from 2004

the AP poll had them at #17

the coaches poll had them at #18
 

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I love the LSU comments.....have said it before, will say it again...Les Miles single handily equals at least one loss per year. He may be one of the worst game day coaches I have ever seen.
 

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I thought it was 17th and 18th.

Makes it hard for teams starting that low in the polls.They didn't sniff the Top 10 until after the LSU game.

Of course this year they are ranked between 3 and 6 and if history shows anything they will fall on their flat on their faces.I can always hope not I guess.
 

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I love the LSU comments.....have said it before, will say it again...Les Miles single handily equals at least one loss per year. He may be one of the worst game day coaches I have ever seen.

I know, what does that mean when they say "lets see how he does with his own players" ???

Are they saying that he brought in better recruits than Nick Saban? :shrug:
 

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Les Miles single handily equals at least one loss per year. He may be one of the worst game day coaches I have ever seen.
I absolutely agree with this analogy. I was shocked by the Tigers' choice after Sabin bailed. Les is a freaking choke job waiting to happen and LSU deserves better than this pretender.
 
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I know, what does that mean when they say "lets see how he does with his own players" ???

Are they saying that he brought in better recruits than Nick Saban? :shrug:


i don't think they are saying that. saban was a great recruiter, he brought some quality players to lsu. miles is still benefiting from saban's recruits. they are saying to fairly judge miles coaching, let's see how he does with his own groceries (to parphrase bill parcells).
 

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Looks like Les brought his "reading optional" attitude down from Stillwater....


LSU waiting on NCAA clearance for five recruits

Monday, August 07, 2006
By William Kalec

BATON ROUGE -- Five LSU recruits -- including highly touted "gets" running back Keiland Williams and defensive tackle Al Woods -- still are awaiting approval from the NCAA Clearinghouse, meaning they won't be permitted to attend today's opening fall practice.

Along with Williams and Woods, offensive lineman Steven Singleton, and running backs Richard Murphy and Tyson Andrus remain in a holding pattern until paperwork is received clearing them to play. LSU coach Les Miles couldn't provide a specific date when the players might be cleared.

"You know, any counselor that was a little late getting the transcript in, a parent didn't quite get a bill paid, the secretary went on vacation for three weeks (and) it was supposed to be in," Miles said of possible holdups. "And (if) everything just happens to be a little later than normal, it can be just a tragedy.

"Staying on top of it and working through those issues are something you do all summer long."

Because the five can't participate today, that means only 17 of the 26 members in the Tigers' most-recent recruiting class will be able to participate in the entire fall camp. Offensive tackle Phil Loadholt, defensive back Shomari Clemons, defensive tackle Charles Deas and defensive back Jason Teague did not qualify academically.

Loadholt's situation came as a bit of a surprise, because Miles never pegged the junior-college standout as one of those signees "in danger" of not making the grade. During the summer, Loadholt retook a math course he failed in the spring. Every update Miles received was positive.

"He didn't finish as strong as he started," Miles said. "There's a guy that has some decisions to make in the short term that will really affect where he attends college."

That's because Loadholt technically could play at almost every other non-SEC school immediately, because the two-math-class requirement for junior college transfers is a conference-specific guideline. Reports surfaced that Loadholt intended to commit to Oklahoma, though Miles wouldn't verify those claims.

"I don't really know," Miles said. "Having spoke with him most recently I don't know. I'm not certain he has a real grasp on it himself."

Miles said everyone else reported on check-in day and are expected to be able to partake in today's opening session.

JaMarcus Russell is above his 2005 playing weight but Miles did not seem concerned about his condition, just saying "bigger" before lauding the quarterback's work ethic this summer. Miles hopes Russell will wilt down to 255 pounds through the demands of practice.

"JaMarcus is strong and as in good a shape as he's been since he's been here," Miles said. "He's setting all kinds of records with his lifting . . . if he had not worked and had a great summer with strength and conditioning, I'd be more alarmed.
 

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I love the LSU comments.....have said it before, will say it again...Les Miles single handily equals at least one loss per year. He may be one of the worst game day coaches I have ever seen.



...well, I agree that Miles is not a very good gameday coach, but unfortunately for us Tennessee fans, Phat Phil is worse. :com:
 
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