Unhappy Democrats Need To Wait To Get Into Canada

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OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush (news - web sites) won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet

Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year.


"You just can't come into Canada and say 'I'm going to stay here'. In other words, there has to be an application. There has to be a reason why the person is coming to Canada," said immigration ministry spokeswoman Maria Iadinardi.


There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, a country that leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans.


But recent statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work in Canada, which has a creaking publicly funded healthcare system and relatively high levels of personal taxation.


Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that while some Americans might talk about a move to Canada rather than living with a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx.


"It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the children are going to go to school," said one government official.


Roger King of the Toronto-based Democrats Abroad group said he had heard nothing to back up talk of a possible exodus of party members.


"I imagine most committed Democrats will want to stay in the United States and continue being politically active there," he told Reuters.


Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a further three years.


The other main way to move north on a long-term basis is to find a job, which in all cases requires a work permit. This takes from four to six months to come through.


Official statistics show the number of U.S. workers entering Canada dropped to 15,789 in 2002 from 21,627 in 2000. Early indicators on Wednesday showed little sign of this changing.


A spokesman for Canada's foreign affairs ministry said there had been no increase in the number of hits on the Washington embassy's immigration Web site, while housing brokers said they doubted they would see a surge in U.S. business.


"Canada's always open and welcoming to Americans who want to relocate here, but we don't think it would be a trend or movement," said Gino Romanese of Royal Lepage Residential Real Estate Services in Toronto.


Those wishing to move to Canada could always take a risk and claim refugee status -- the path chosen earlier this year by two U.S. deserters who opposed the war in Iraq (news - web sites).


"Anybody who enters Canada who claims refugee status will be provided with a work permit ... it doesn't matter what country they're from," Iadinardi said.


Refugee cases are handled by special boards, which can take months to decide whether to admit applicants. The rulings can be appealed and opposition politicians complain some people ordered deported have been in Canada for 10 years or more.
 

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But recent statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work in Canada, which has a creaking publicly funded healthcare system and relatively high levels of personal taxation.

Now I understand why they want to move there.
 

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Larry Flynt
As reported by News24.com:

Paris - American porn mogul Larry Flynt said he may decide to go into exile if George W Bush is re-elected president of the United States.

"If Bush is re-elected - but I don't want to even consider the thought for one second - I really have to think about living somewhere else," Flynt said early Monday in a strip club on the Champs Elysees in Paris where he was celebrating his 62nd birthday.

Flynt, who made his fortune after publishing the popular porn magazine Hustler, said he had come to Paris to "escape the nauseating atmosphere of the electoral campaign".

In the immortal words of David Spade, "Buh bye!".
:sadwave:
 

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all the non-workers are moving to Canada and it just so happens that their political views conicide lmao
 

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Liberal MP Parrish 'dumbfounded' by Bush win
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Within hours of George W. Bush declaring his election victory, an outspoken Liberal MP famous for her verbal attacks on the U.S.

President let fly with a new round of barbs.

Describing Bush as a "war-like man," Liberal MP Carolyn Parrish said she is "dumfounded" he managed to win.

Americans' support for his presidency, she continued, shows they are marching to a completely different drummer than the rest of the international community.

"I guess it's a reflection of the profound psychological damage of 9/11," she said. "That country is completely out of step with most of the free world."

She said she hopes the president will now focus on an exit strategy for Afghanistan and Iraq.

"I would hope that he'd concentrate on getting the U.S. out of those two problems they've got,'' she said. "I think his immediate concern should be where he has soldiers dying.''

Some fellow Liberal MPs are disappointed that Parrish's views are getting so much attention. "Some obscure comments are given a lot of prominence and very often because the opposition takes great pleasure in giving them a lot more importance," Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew said.

"I've seen Alliance members of Parliament go and knock on doors in Washington to remind them what was said. This is not helping Canada at all."

Even Prime Minister Paul Martin took the chance to take a dig at Parrish at the National Press Gallery dinner.

"As I sat and spoke with President Bush about his dream of launching a mission to Mars. And I thought to myself: Wouldn't continue great if we could get a Canadian on board? If a Canadian could be sent tens of millions of miles into the dark void of space," Martin said in his speech. "And as we all as a nation watch on television and together say aloud: `Bon voyage, Carolyn Parrish!'"


The Mississauga-Erindale, Ontario MP's latest comments came shortly after Prime Minister Paul Martin told MPs gathered for a Liberal caucus meeting not to make inflammatory comments about the U.S. election result.

Parrish, it seems, was not at that meeting.

This is not the first time Parrish has let rip with a verbal attack on Bush. In August, she called Americans "a coalition of the idiots," in reference to the U.S. missile defence plan.

That merely created a reprise, however, of the sort of controversy Parrish first unleashed last year, when an open microphone caught her saying, "Damn Americans ... I hate those bastards," after a scrum outside the House of Commons.

Of course, Parrish is not the only Liberal MP to let her views on the U.S. spill out unfiltered.

Former cabinet minister Herb Dhaliwal labelled Bush a failed statesman, and a spokeswoman for then-prime minister Jean Chretien was overheard calling Bush "a moron."

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curious how chanman is disgraceful. didn't see any name calling. i wonder if it's disgraceful when centrist's attack you or your family?were you just as upset?
 

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Thanx, Mjolnir. I would apologise to ppl I know that were truly offended. Right now danmurphy reminds me of M. Moore. They had plenty to say before the election. He everyone can't be as upstanding as Kdogg, (and thats from the heart). Since we are on the subject I also feel the same for out Northern friends- no harm intended and I hope no one took it that way.

P.S.- Mjolnir- wasn't that Thor's hammer?
 

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I like that map Chan! We get the best of America - the West Coast, Chicago, and New York.

I'm plotting my exit to Australia.
 
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