US GI's in Iraq suffer worst week of 08

[Spytheweb]

The U.S. military said the American soldier was killed in a blast Saturday morning in northwestern Baghdad but did not say whether Shiite militiamen were responsible.

The death raised to at least 19 the number of American troopers killed in Iraq since last Sunday.

American casualties have risen with an outbreak of fighting in Baghdad between U.S. and Iraqi forces and the largest Shiite militia - the Mahdi Army of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Who is more likely to end the war? Not McCain, he's looking forward to the next one. Who is less beholding to big business and lobbyists? Whoever becomes President, i think it will be a Dem, if it is someone who i voted for and they don't stop the war, in 2012 i will vote against them.

 

[The Sponge]

The U.S. military said the American soldier was killed in a blast Saturday morning in northwestern Baghdad but did not say whether Shiite militiamen were responsible.

The death raised to at least 19 the number of American troopers killed in Iraq since last Sunday.

American casualties have risen with an outbreak of fighting in Baghdad between U.S. and Iraqi forces and the largest Shiite militia - the Mahdi Army of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

Who is more likely to end the war? Not McCain, he's looking forward to the next one. Who is less beholding to big business and lobbyists? Whoever becomes President, i think it will be a Dem, if it is someone who i voted for and they don't stop the war, in 2012 i will vote against them.

Those troops lives are becoming absolutely meaningless. Like they are just a piece of meat. When the hell is this insanity gonna stop? How the hell do these two pieces of garbage and the rest of these neocons live with themselves? And you know they just want to pass this on because the person next in line is gonna look like the bad guy once we pull out. Pull out now or another five years? What the hell is the difference? The sad part is that if their was a draft freaking people might finally get involve but Cheney and Rumsfield cleverly created this security industry for their good buddies or we would have had a draft. Snakes.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Spy, we're so screwed in Iraq that I don't think a non-republican is going to get us out of there either. If we would have used a nuclear bomb on the area that contained Al Queda back in 2001 or 2002, less people would have died (on both sides) than have died thus far. Complete effin failure on our part and this will go down as the beginning of the end of the USA as the world's super power.

The two party system is a joke and we'll be screwed either way, but I'll vote Democrat as a protest vote anyway.

 

[Cie]

The two party system is a joke and we'll be screwed either way, but I'll vote Democrat as a protest vote anyway.

I do not believe in protest votes so will vote for who I feel is in our best interest, but agree strongly with your assertion that we are screwed either way.

 

[JCDunkDogs]

And you know they just want to pass this on because the person next in line is gonna look like the bad guy once we pull out.

Totally agree. And the political rondalay just keeps going and going.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I do not believe in protest votes so will vote for who I feel is in our best interest, but agree strongly with your assertion that we are screwed either way.

So how do you propose changing the system if you don't use your vote to promote that change. I've voted Independent in every election with the exception of 2004.....because I was desperate to get Bush out. I'll vote Democrat in this election just to get the right wing warmongers out of office, but I will NEVER associate myself with a party. How the hell can anyone in their right mind side with one party???? There's hundreds of issues and to blindly follow one party is pathetic on several fronts.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

In the words of UBL--America can never win war on terror--they don't have stomach for prolonged battle--

He's certainly read a lot of folks correctly--

--unforunately for them he's been been wrong past 8 years--and paid the price.
We'll see how next 8 years turn out :SIB

 

[djv]

Well Old John says were good for 100 years. Then all his handlers said that's not what he meant. But he did repeat it :shrug: But wait they say he means like South Korea just 50 years. But in S K they drew a line in the mud. And we dont lose 100's of guys a year. No body knows how to draw the line in Iraq. And nobody seems to give a chit. At least the leaders we have at WH now and Old John. Chit we have endless supply of money to burn there. If Old John keeps hanging around Liberman. Who knows how deep this chit may go.

 

[Cie]

How the hell can anyone in their right mind side with one party???? There's hundreds of issues and to blindly follow one party is pathetic on several fronts.

You make plenty of sense to me. I am a registered republican, and have voted repub in every presidential election so far because I sided with that candidate. Locally, and statewide, I have voted Dem just as much, if not more than republican for the same reason.

It seems to me that we are the exceptions, as most voters appear to be blind followers of their respective party, right:shrug:

 

[Chadman]

Two thoughts: first of all, I think most people eventually determine which party best reflects their personal views, and that makes sense. Especially with the Presidential race, those ideals should be very important in your ultimate vote - as the President sets the agenda with the nomination of judges, and changing or continuing the makeup of the Supreme Court. Above all else, if you hate the candidates, you should keep that in mind, IMO.

I consider myself a democrat because I understand and respect the values that the party usually stands for. I have voted Republican in some instances, when I have a good feeling about the person, and what things they bring out that are important that may stray in some cases. I honestly think a balance of the two party ideal systems is a good thing for the country, so the two party system does and can work - with both sides represented and keeping a balance of ideas alive.

There are some democratic ideals that I don't care for, and some republican ones that I do like. But most of the time I side democratic. I don't think that complete, ongoing control of one party is a good thing, though.

I'd be open to looking at a viable third party, and controlling financial impacts on politics. Term limits may have to be a strong consideration in breaking the hold pork and money have on our current system, despite losing some competent and quality people in some areas. I'd guess we'd find other decent folk to replace them, and if they knew they were done in a couple terms, there certainly would be less at stake politically and financially for them individually.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Chad: Can you see the problem in having to align yourself with A party? You pretty much give up your say on an abudance of issues based on the importance of a few. It's ridiculous.

EDIT:

One more thing. I don't think a 3rd party gets us that much further along, but it would be a huge step in the right direction.

 

[The Sponge]

In the words of UBL--America can never win war on terror--they don't have stomach for prolonged battle--

He's certainly read a lot of folks correctly--

--unforunately for them he's been been wrong past 8 years--and paid the price.
We'll see how next 8 years turn out :SIB

This is the type of thinking on why we are in this much of a mess to begin with. Stomach for a war Dogs? More like stomach for stupidity and thievery. Dogs i can't really call Bush stupid tho. He had a plan and it has worked almost 100 percent for his collection of thieves. You just can't see it like most things. Dogs google Follow the money trail in Iraq for nitwits. See what comes up

 

[Agent 0659]

So how do you propose changing the system if you don't use your vote to promote that change. I've voted Independent in every election with the exception of 2004.....because I was desperate to get Bush out. I'll vote Democrat in this election just to get the right wing warmongers out of office, but I will NEVER associate myself with a party. How the hell can anyone in their right mind side with one party???? There's hundreds of issues and to blindly follow one party is pathetic on several fronts.

I'm not sure there has ever been a person I agree with more on just about every topic than you Gary.:00hour

 

[ELVIS]

as a republican, to vote or not to vote

as a republican, to vote or not to vote

i don't see an advantage to either party at this point. i don't like any of the candidates at all. i personally am sick of the war and was not a big fan at the start. i don't want to stand in line for healthcare either (we are probably closer to this than we think).

this war has weakened our economy, our defense, furthered bad will towards us with other countries, and has put us further in debt.

why a guy like ron paul can't run as an independent and get elected is beoyond me. anything to get the troops home and illegal immigration slowed(it cannot be stopped entirely). ****, i would be happy with perot at this point. i am so sick of democrats and republicans i could puke. the only reason i would vote for a democrat is to hopefully bring the troops home sooner. that is a pitiful reason to vote for a party. i will not vote for mccain because all i see is another bush in office, sorry. more war,more piss poor spending,etc. if mccain is smart he will play the religious card so all of the church goers will give him carte blank like the bush fellow. don't think that i don't know what i am talking about because i attend a baptist church and almost all of them voted for bush and they will vote for mccain as well. thinking that their religious freedom is being protected with their vote. what no one seems to to consider, is that, if the country continues goign to war with all of these other nations, we will spend our country into bankruptcy. we possibly will have so many enemies we are destroyed as a nation anyway.

i am not sure. with all of the products being made over seas, that are economy will ever be able to control its own destiny in the future anyway. it would be nice to have a say in it though.

at this point, bring the troops home - if they need work - put them in the streets to fight gangs,drugs,illegals,etc. put them on border patrol, put them at our nation's ports, there are plenty of "defense" orrientated oppurtunities for them in this country.

please, stop spending the money and lives (almost forgot about the dead people) in a useless sand box that will be return to its F'd up state the minute we leave.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I'm not sure there has ever been a person I agree with more on just about every topic than you Gary.:00hour

Obama has Reverend Wright, and I have you. Any credibility I had built was just destroyed in one fell swoop.

Just kidding :mj07:

Love,

Gary
XOXOX

 

[Agent 0659]

Obama has Reverend Wright, and I have you. Any credibility I had built was just destroyed in one fell swoop.

Just kidding :mj07:

Love,

Gary
XOXOX

It was supposed to be GOOD news:mj07: :SIB

 

[The Sponge]

So how do you propose changing the system if you don't use your vote to promote that change. I've voted Independent in every election with the exception of 2004.....because I was desperate to get Bush out. I'll vote Democrat in this election just to get the right wing warmongers out of office, but I will NEVER associate myself with a party. How the hell can anyone in their right mind side with one party???? There's hundreds of issues and to blindly follow one party is pathetic on several fronts.

Im kinda proud of my state. We got a moderate Republican senator and a pretty moderate Democratic one. Gov is a moderate democrat. Jury is still out on my Democratic congressman who happens to live on my street and is an Iraq war vet. I have never met him but i do get invites from time to time from his family. I like to go meet him but im afraid Weasel and DTB might link our friendship to a post i have written here. I better stay away from him. Silly shit with these two numbskulls.

 

[gardenweasel]

well done,spy......got em eating out of your hand...

 

[StevieD]

In the words of UBL--America can never win war on terror--they don't have stomach for prolonged battle--

He's certainly read a lot of folks correctly--

--unforunately for them he's been been wrong past 8 years--and paid the price.
We'll see how next 8 years turn out :SIB

This is exactly the kind of blind party loyalty that is ruining our country. Not only that but these unAmerican thinking puppets are handing victory to UBL on a silver platter and handing victory to UBL as we go broke fighting an insane, unwinable war against a country that never attacked us.

 

[Spytheweb]

well done,spy......got em eating out of your hand...

This is not about me, this is about America.