US lands first rover succesfully on Mars!

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Here is the first composite picture released after the rover touched down yesterday. Simply amazing! Second rover should be landing next week.

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Think the European Space Agency is feeling a little jealous this morning? WTG Guys!
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Considering that various nations have failed in 20 attempts to get a robot on Mars.....I'd say this would have to depress em just a little
 

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Its cool that we made it up there and all...but now what ???? We find that there was signs of life .....BFD.......IMO just a big waste of money...money that could be well spent down here on earth....cool pictures and all but jusT a waste of money and time IMO
 

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Certainly there are those that feel as you do, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. But where do you stop? Spend no money on science, no money on the arts, no money on anything but the bare essentials in life? In space we've learned big things like how certain medicinces may better treat degenerative bone loss or Ostheo Perosis and we've learned small things like how to make a better and more effective fire exstinguisher. Chances are in your everyday life you use at least one product developed for or improved as a result of the space program. Fireproof airplane seats were a result of the Apollo fires, the FAA says they save 20-25 lives a year. Ever use a cordless drill or cordless tool of any kind? First developed for NASA by Black+Decker in 1988. When they were developing the new technology for the Hubble Space Telescope, their new application turned out to be an ideal and much more effective way to detect breast cancer.

A list of commercial/consumer/military/hitech/medical products developed as a result of space program research or research in space would fill an entire library of books. Anyway, yes its something I am quite passionate about. I spent 4 years working with Nasa and if theres one thing I learned its that for people who dont believe we should do any space exploration at all, there is nothing you can say to convince them otherwise. Like I said, youre entitled to your opinion.

Theres a cool site you may want to check out though, I think you would be surprised. Its the SpaceTech Hall of Fame, honors companies or people who turned these products originally developed for the space program into consumer applications.
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ACE....I totally respect your opinions and you did bring up some valid points....plus that was a good link and maybe something for someone like me to think twice about the situation....just wondering if the ends justify the means in this whole space exploration matter...with all the money we put in...are the things we get out of it worth all the money and time :shrug: I think like you said peoples opinions will vary with this matter
 

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well think about this....suppose we cut the space program and instead invest in welfare/SS/whatever -- "free" money.....

you spend it on the "needs" of society

the ramifications?

First -- you take away all those NASA/science jobs and their "welfare. healthcare, SS, etc....the worth of which is exactly what you took from them and invested in your government programs....well, actually more after you subtract government administration fees/red tape for the programs you would rather fund....

Second -- you lose whatever we are doing in space/science/technology

Third -- you help degrade our national defense

Fourth -- you hurt the economy

Fifth -- you promote laziness/poverty/government reliance -- and all the health and psychiatric risk factors which accompany your plan...you now give free health care to people where they do not comply with anything because they have no $$ invested in such a plan a physician may lay out...which in itself is heartless and unsympathetic

could go on and on....but simply in the end, the argument of saying this is stupid to spend $$ on such a thing but rather put it into social programs is absurd
 

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Doc not sure where you get all that yacking out of the guy just saying there maybe better place to spend money. Im all for the program. But more for the one a little closer to earth that does help out militray. That will try to make sure the shuttle does not have another screw up like the last one. Get all our bucks out of the space station we can. Learn even better ways to use are spies in the sky. Dont think these little guys running around on mars will help any of that. Might tell us there was once some type of life on Mars. But believe most believe that any way.
 

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Space exploration is the biggest scam ever put over on the American people.

The amount spent is ridiculous. NASA currently receives $15.5 billion dollars in funding annually. Now, that is less than 1% of the United States federal budget, so in that respect, it is "small change". But I ask you this. Who in the hell can tell where that money goes? You can't convince me that tons of that cash doesn't find its way to shit that the public would never stand for. Tell us that it's being spent on "top secret" bullshit, and we just turn a blind eye.

I couldn't give two shits about space exploration, so perhaps that impacts my opinion. Still, don't tell me what great advances science has made through this means. We wouldn't be any worse off if a man never walked on the moon. You tell me what fantastic findings in "space" justify the continued missions we send up there? I would think that when you spend billions of dollars on something, it should have a better track record of success.
 
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Following are some examples of shuttle-based technologies:



3-D Biotechnology

Developed for Space Shuttle medical research, a rotating cell-culture
device simulates the microgravity of space. This allows researchers to
grow cells in three dimensions. The device may one day help
researchers find cures for dangerous infectious diseases and offer
alternatives to patients who need organ transplant surgery.


Artificial Heart

Technology used in Space Shuttle fuel pumps led to the development of
a miniaturized ventricular-assist pump by NASA and renowned heart
surgeon Dr. Michael DeBakey. The tiny pump, a mere two inches long,
one inch in diameter, and weighing less than four ounces, is currently
undergoing clinical trials in Europe, where it has been successfully
implanted into more than 20 people.


Blood Serum Research

An astronaut's body, once free of gravity's pull, experiences a
redistribution of body fluids that can lead to a decrease in the
number of red blood cells and produce a form of space anemia.
Monitoring and evaluating blood serum was required to understand these
phenomena. However, existing blood-analysis technology required the
use of a centrifugation technology that was not practical in space.
NASA developed new technologies for the collection and real-time
analysis of blood as well as other bodily fluids without the need for
centrifugation.


Artificial Limbs

Responding to a request from the orthopedic-appliance industry, NASA
recommended that the foam insulation used to protect the Shuttle's
external tank replace the heavy, fragile plaster used to produce
master molds for prosthetics. The new material is light, virtually
indestructible, and easy to ship and store.


Lifesaving Light

Special lighting technology developed for plant-growth experiments on
Space Shuttle missions is now used to treat brain tumors in children.
Doctors at the Medical College of Wisconsin in Milwaukee use
light-emitting diodes in a treatment called photodynamic therapy, a
form of chemotherapy, to kill cancerous tumors.


Taking Temperatures

Infrared sensors developed to remotely measure the temperature of
distant stars and planets for the Space Shuttle program led to the
development of the hand-held optical sensor thermometer. Placed inside
the ear canal, the thermometer provides an accurate reading in two
seconds or less.


Better Balance

Devices built to measure the equilibrium of Space Shuttle astronauts
when they return from space are now widely used by major medical
centers to diagnose and treat patients suffering head injury, stroke,
chronic dizziness and disorders of the central nervous system.


Faster Diagnostics

NASA technology was used to create a compact laboratory instrument for
hospitals and doctor offices. This device quickly analyzes blood,
accomplishing in 30 seconds what once took 20 minutes with
conventional equipment.


Land Mine Removal

The same rocket fuel that helps launch the Space Shuttle is now being
used to save lives -- by destroying land mines. A flare device, using
leftover fuel donated by NASA, is placed next to the uncovered land
mine and is ignited from a safe distance using a battery-triggered
electric match. The explosive burns away, disabling the mine and
rendering it harmless.


Tracking Vehicles on Earth

Tracking information originally used for Space Shuttle missions now
helps track vehicles here on the ground. This commercial spin-off
allows vehicles to transmit a signal back to a home base. Many cities
today use the software to track and reassign emergency and public
works vehicles. The technology also is used by vehicle fleet
operations, such as taxis, armored cars and vehicles carrying
hazardous cargo.


Rescue 911

Rescue squads have a new extrication tool to help remove accident
victims from wrecked vehicles. The hand-held device requires no
auxiliary power systems or cumbersome hoses and is 70 percent cheaper
than previous rescue equipment. The cutter uses a miniature version of
the explosive charges that separate devices on the Space Shuttle.


Byte Out of Crime

Image-processing technology used to analyze Space Shuttle launch
videos and to study meteorological images also helps law enforcement
agencies improve crime-solving videos. The technology removes defects
due to image jitter, image rotation and image zoom in video sequences.
The technology also may be useful for medical imaging, scientific
applications and home video.


Gas Gauges

A gas leak-detection system, originally developed to monitor the
Shuttle's hydrogen propulsion system, is now being used by the Ford
Motor Company in the production of a natural gas-powered car.


Product Labeling

NASA needs to identify, track, and keep records on each of the
thousands of heat-shield tiles on the Space Shuttle. This required a
labeling system that could be put on ceramic material and withstand
the rigors of space travel to be readable after a flight. NASA
developed high data-density, two-dimensional, machine-readable symbol
technology used to mark individual tiles. This novel method of
labeling products with invisible and virtually indestructible markings
can be used on electronic parts, pharmaceuticals and livestock -- in
fact on just about anything.


Keep Cool Under Fire

Materials from the Space Shuttle thermal protection system are used on
NASCAR racing cars to protect drivers from the extreme heat generated
by the engines. This same material is also used to protect
firefighters.


Fire Resistant Foam

A unique foam developed for Space Shuttle thermal insulation and
packing is now being used as thermal and acoustical insulation in
aerospace, marine and industrial products. Since it's also fire
resistant, it's being used as well for fire barriers, packaging and
other applications requiring either high-temperature or very
low-temperature insulation in critical environments. For example, use
of these foam products by airframe manufacturers such as Boeing,
Lockheed-Martin, and Airbus provides major weight savings, while
retaining good thermal and acoustical properties in the various
products.


Fire Sighting

A sensitive, gas infrared camera, used by NASA observers to monitor
the blazing plumes from the Space Shuttle's solid rocket boosters is
also capable of scanning for fires. Firefighters use this hand-held
camera to pinpoint the hotspots of wildfires that rage out of control.


Jeweler's Gem

Jewelers no longer have to worry about inhaling dangerous asbestos
fibers from the blocks they use as soldering bases. Space Shuttle
heat-shield tiles offer jewelers a safer soldering base with
temperature resistance far beyond the 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit
generated by the jeweler's torch.


Jet Stripping

NASA developed a tool that uses powerful jet streams of water to strip
paint and primer from the Space Shuttle's solid rocket boosters. A
commercial version of this water jet is now used to treat
turbine-engine components, airframe components, large aerospace
hardware, ships and other mechanical devices, using only pure water.
No hazardous chemicals are needed.


Quick Fit Fasteners

Fastening items in space is a difficult task. A Virginia company
developed a fastener that can be pushed on, rather than turned. These
quick-connect fasteners are flexible and strong, and have been used by
NASA astronauts since 1989. The product is now in use by firefighters
and nuclear power-plant repair technicians, and has other commercial
applications.


Computer Joysticks

Computer games can now be played with all the precision and
sensitivity needed for a safe and soft Space Shuttle touchdown. A
game-controlling joystick for personal computer-based entertainment
systems was modeled after controls used in shuttle simulators.
Astronauts used the joystick to practice runway landings and orbit
maneuvering.


Toys for Tots

Already successful with its Nerf toy products, Hasbro, Inc. wanted to
design a toy glider that a child could fly. Benefiting from NASA
wind-tunnel and aerodynamic expertise used in the Space Shuttle
program, Hasbro improved the flying distances and loop-to-loop stunts
of its toy gliders.


Slick Products

A lubricant used on the transporter that carries a Space Shuttle to
the launch pad has resulted in a commercial penetrating-spray lube,
which is used for rust prevention and loosening corroded nuts. It's
also a cleaner and lubricant for guns and fishing reels, and can be
used to reduce engine friction.
 

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"Space travel" wasn't a neccesity in those things, was it? The fact that NASA had their hands in it, doesn't mean a shuttle mission was required for those discoveries. NASA can create space conditions in their labs, if that is indeed something they require for these "tests".
 

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....don't you think that we need to understand each individual condition within space in order to re-create that specific condition in the lab???:shrug:
 

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Don't anybody forget that there are MANY countries looking at the territory above earth and the planets out there. Their ideas and motivations are not always with the rest of the planet in mind. We have to remain dominant outside of Earth or the void WILL be filled by someone.;)
 

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phin8181 said:
....don't you think that we need to understand each individual condition within space in order to re-create that specific condition in the lab???:shrug:


I think that may have been sufficiently done. I just think we should have more to show for the money after all of these years.
 

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Why did the Vikings bother taking to the Seas? Why did Vespucci and Columbus leave their homes? Their countries were all financially succesful, why bother? They could have spent the money on other things. Why did Lewis and Clark explore, they had no need to go into unchartered, unmapped territory?

Like I said, the homebodies among you are entitled to your opinion. Space is about science, its about exploration, its about what do we do next. Its not about saying heres what we got out of it for this, heres what we got for that, heres the ROI for this mission etc etc etc. Science isnt about defining a specific return on your investment, the same way art and other such pursuits are not about what you get out of it.
 

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yyz said:
Space exploration is the biggest scam ever put over on the American people.

We wouldn't be any worse off if a man never walked on the moon. You tell me what fantastic findings in "space" justify the continued missions we send up there? I would think that when you spend billions of dollars on something, it should have a better track record of success.
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yyz

Just for the sake of argument consider this.

This is the first time in history that anyone has set up a
communications network working in space. From Mars linked to other satelites.

If we were to find life on Mars and somehow make contact with other planets more intelligent than us.
Next thing you our world is not the same anymore. We are advanced immediately. The beings could allow us cures to our common illness in the US. We could live much longer immediately. Would that be worth your hard tax dollars ?

Not sure if we are ready for that yet.

So there are some instances where space exploration pays dividends as S Love points out.
Traveling 300 million Mars to a safe landing is something Americans should be proud of and not whine about the money.
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"This suggests that even at an early moment in time, millions of stars already gone through their life cycle, forming, burning out, exploding and spewing into space the basic heavy elements, such as carbon and oxygen, needed for the formation of life.

In these galaxies are all the basic building blocks for life," said Postman. "Whether you can say that life follows a similar rapid time scale is a bit of a leap, but not a ridiculous one."/msn



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What was that little thing we landed there in 97/98 about the size of shoe box. Sent back a few pitcures before it went dead.
 
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